NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 8 GB

[dlgh7]

Radeon group is extra good at pissing off their so called partners. When the number one OEM supplier won’t do business with you anymore - essentially cutting you out of the prebuilt market - you know you’ve messed up good.

MSI has never been a top tier card for AMD. Sapphire is always at the top of that list. Then maybe Powercolor. Sapphire I believe is their top preferred maker though unless that changed over the last few years.

 

[Visible Noise]

You're right. Just looked that up. Wonder when they made that change.

Last year. No MSI = no OEM.

 

[JustBenching]

Going with your cancel culture narrative, MSI stopped selling Radeon, does that mean RTG was toxic toward MSI?

No, of course not. In this case MSI was bribed by ngreedia.

Funny though, EVGA didn't want to deal with nvidia anymore so - they did the most logical thing, started making amd gpus, right? RIGHT?

Radeon group is extra good at pissing off their so called partners. When the number one OEM supplier won’t do business with you anymore - essentially cutting you out of the prebuilt market - you know you’ve messed up good.

We need to be fair here, just because dell doesn't sell prebuilt with amd gpus doesn't mean it was because they don't want to deal with AMD. Maybe they just weren't selling. Let's not stoop to the same level as the ngreedia camp.

 

[Hecate91]

Radeon group is extra good at pissing off their so called partners. When the number one OEM supplier won’t do business with you anymore - essentially cutting you out of the prebuilt market - you know you’ve messed up good.

MSI by far isn't the top partner brand, Sapphire,Powercolor,XFX, and Asrock are all top partner brands for Radeon.
And MSI isn't the top OEM supplier either, that likely goes to Asus, gaming OEM SI's use every brand of motherboard and GPU partner brand, not just MSI.

No, of course not. In this case MSI was bribed by ngreedia.

Funny though, EVGA didn't want to deal with nvidia anymore so - they did the most logical thing, started making amd gpus, right? RIGHT?

Well I wouldn't put it past Nvidia to do so, and MSI did scalp GPU's under a different name so that wouldn't be surprising.

And maybe EVGA was under a non-compete clause with Nvidia, but the CEO also said they were done and didn't want to sell the company.

We need to be fair here, just because dell doesn't sell prebuilt with amd gpus doesn't mean it was because they don't want to deal with AMD. Maybe they just weren't selling. Let's not stoop to the same level as the ngreedia camp.

It's Dell, they were probably bribed to just like with Intel for many years to not sell anything from the competition.

 

[Bagerklestyne]

We are talking about one instance. If say Nvidia said hey we aren't giving out samples anymore. The whole community could be like cool. We will just review Intel and AMD GPU's.

You are cherry picking instances over looking at what would happen big picture if Nvidia and its partners just flat out stopped giving cards for free. Just as Nvidia isn't obligated to give free cards, reviewers aren't obligated to cover news, driver news, or review anything from anyone. Which is why I said it is a big circle. What do you think Nvidia investors would think if all the tech sites, YouTubers etc all blacklisted Nvidia didn't cover announcements, drivers, or any other news from Nvidia. Took them completely out of the news cycle. Think that would impress Nvidia investors? I mean EVGA gave up almost their whole business because they couldn't stand working with the people from Nvidia. That is what we call toxic.

Not cherry picking, that's 2 of the biggest valid reviewers on youtube. Remember they did let handfuls of coercible smaller youtube channel do previews, provided they followed a preset narrative of games, settings and frame generation.

HUB have been ignored before after a "change editorial direction" response didn't sway them.

What do I think if tech sites stopped covering video cards, I think the 3 Trillion dollar company would announce it on youtube themselves and pay people to do pr spun fluff pieces strongly advocating MFG and other things that give you "4090 performance for 549"

Any genuinely independent reviewer with a decent revenue base doesn't care if nvidia or any other partner wont give them free stuff to review. If they want to review it, they'll buy it. It's the smaller ones that can't afford to buy the hardware to review that care. It's not a closed circle for those established, it's a closed circle for the up and comings.

This is now drifted into off topic I think so I'll stop. I've said my piece, you're definitely entitled to your opinion but I don't agree with you (which is perfectly fine.)

 

[JustBenching]

Well I wouldn't put it past Nvidia to do so, and MSI did scalp GPU's under a different name so that wouldn't be surprising.

And maybe EVGA was under a non-compete clause with Nvidia, but the CEO also said they were done and didn't want to sell the company.


It's Dell, they were probably bribed to just like with Intel for many years to not sell anything from the competition.

Just like Sapphire and powercolor are bribed by AMD right? Or you got double standards?

Just think about it, what's more likely. MSI or any other company doesn't need to be bribed to stop making GPUs for a 10% and shrinking marketshare. It's a tiny market and it makes sense that they decided to excuse themselves out of it. On the other hand, sapphire and power color not making GPUs that 90% of the market is buying, without any "incentives"? Yeah, sounds fishy. But of course don't expect you to use common sense here, its' ngreedia after all

Your argument basically boils down to "companies that choose to make products that 90% of the market buys are bribed by ngreedia to do it, while companies that choose to make products that 10% and shrinking of the market buys are doing it on their own free accord". Yeah, right.

 

[Visible Noise]

We need to be fair here, just because dell doesn't sell prebuilt with amd gpus doesn't mean it was because they don't want to deal with AMD. Maybe they just weren't selling. Let's not stoop to the same level as the ngreedia camp.

It’s all about supply chain management. OEMs - like any other company - want to limit the number of suppliers they do business with. It reduces cost and risk.

All the major PC OEMs get most of their graphics cards from MSI. When MSI dropped Radeon due to low sales, there wasn’t enough upside for the OEMs to go to another - most likely tier 2 - supplier. The cost and risk of adding another supplier, along with additional SKUs and all that entails, outweighs any lost revenue from not selling Radeon products.

Source: My second career was a decade in Plant Systems for a tier one auto supplier. I managed the global network for 200 facilities.

 

[JustBenching]

Part of me hopes that the Nvidia Kool-aid drinkers are only hyping this card becuase they love trolling the red Kool-aid drinkers more than they care if Nvidia releases good products. Otherwise damn, never realized 4090/5090 owners were so easy to please....

Part of it, yes.

But there is also a valid argument to be made. Cause sure, everyone can clearly see that ada and blackwell (besides the XX90 models) are mega stagnating. Under normal circumstances I wouldn't even call these the worst generational upgrades I've ever seen, I'd call them "wtf is this nvidia, shove it back to the oven and gtfo with your BS". But I consider that a very myopic view of the situation - cause if it was the case that nvidia in all it's greediness and evildoing just released these nonsensical products then surely everyone else would be flying past them. The 9060xt - soon to be upon us - should be curbstomping not just the 5060ti (which it won't) - but even take a shot at the 5070ti. But it doesn't. Not even the 9070xt does. Think about it, it's 2 generations - 5 years worth of graphics cards - that nvidia has been giving out laughably bad upgrades, and yet they still remain at the top of the chart. A very mediocre 40% gen on gen uplift would put the 9070xt next to the 4090 in performance. But it's nowhere near.

So it's either technology - node shrinks - architectures - have hit a hard wall, or every other company is just as bad or worse than nvidia anyways, so what would be the point of me or anyone else criticizing nvidia. This is either the best that they can do with current technology (since nobody else can actually do any better), or they are all equal greedy and nasty. In either case, why would I or anyone else single out nvidia and bash them constantly? It just doesn't make sense to me. I'd feel like a complete idiot to criticize nvidia for stagnating - cause nvidia stagnating would also mean that everyone else (including Intel mind you) would be just walking all over them in performance. And yet....

 

[NSR]

Quite the opposite, MSI made garbage Radeon cards for years, reusing Geforce coolers on Radeon cards, poor PCB and thermal pad quality.

This gives me flashbacks. MSI was so clearly uninterested in selling AMD GPUs. Used the exact same cooler from budget range to high end for 2 generations (RDNA 2 and RDNA 3) which they just copy/pasted from one of their NVIDIA designs, and then only ever did promotional events for NVIDIA. When they announced they'd stop working with AMD GPUs literally nobody was disappointed.

The decision to use Intel for handhelds makes me think someone really has a grudge against AMD over there.

 

[Visible Noise]

It's Dell, they were probably bribed to just like with Intel for many years to not sell anything from the competition.

Does the same hold for Lenovo, Asus, and Acer? Is Nvidia bribing the entire PC industry?

And MSI isn't the top OEM supplier either, that likely goes to Asus, gaming OEM SI's use every brand of motherboard and GPU partner brand, not just MSI.

Even Asus won’t sell a gaming PC with an AMD graphics card. How embarrassing for Radeon Group!

 

[JustBenching]

This gives me flashbacks. MSI was so clearly uninterested in selling AMD GPUs. Used the exact same cooler from budget range to high end for 2 generations (RDNA 2 and RDNA 3) which they just copy/pasted from one of their NVIDIA designs, and then only ever did promotional events for NVIDIA. When they announced they'd stop working with AMD GPUs literally nobody was disappointed.

I'll give you 3 options, tell me which one sounds more likely to you

1) MSI is evil and they wanted to badmouth amd gpus thats why they reused the nvidia coolers

2) MSI isn't evil but evil ngreedia paid them to do it

3) It makes no financial sense to design and create a whole new production line of coolers for a very small market (amd is at 10% marketshare).

 

[NSR]

I'll give you 3 options, tell me which one sounds more likely to you

1) MSI is evil and they wanted to badmouth amd gpus thats why they reused the nvidia coolers

2) MSI isn't evil but evil ngreedia paid them to do it

3) It makes no financial sense to design and create a whole new production line of coolers for a very small market (amd is at 10% marketshare).

Oh don't get me wrong, MSI didn't care about Radeon but I don't think that aspect was because of any background incentive. Their AMD GPUs likely didn't sell well and so they didn't give them as much love. Fair enough, cut that relationship and leave it to Sapphire, XFX, Powercolor etc.

Their APU decision is still an odd one to me. They don't have to work with Intel but choosing the brand that is not as reputable in CPUs and APUs as of late was certainly a decision.

 

[Thunderslat]

I'll give you 3 options, tell me which one sounds more likely to you

1) MSI is evil and they wanted to badmouth amd gpus thats why they reused the nvidia coolers

2) MSI isn't evil but evil ngreedia paid them to do it

3) It makes no financial sense to design and create a whole new production line of coolers for a very small market (amd is at 10% marketshare).

When it comes to market share AMD surely has more than 10% in the desktop market. The majority of computers sold are laptops where AMD has no presence which will skew the numbers. MSI surely did it as a business decision for whatever reason.

 

[Thunderslat]

Oh don't get me wrong, MSI didn't care about Radeon but I don't think that aspect was because of any background incentive. Their AMD GPUs likely didn't sell well and so they didn't give them as much love. Fair enough, cut that relationship and leave it to Sapphire, XFX, Powercolor etc.

Their APU decision is still an odd one to me. They don't have to work with Intel but choosing the brand that is not as reputable in CPUs and APUs as of late was certainly a decision.

Even MSI is using AMD now in their Claw A8.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Part of it, yes.

But there is also a valid argument to be made. Cause sure, everyone can clearly see that ada and blackwell (besides the XX90 models) are mega stagnating. Under normal circumstances I wouldn't even call these the worst generational upgrades I've ever seen, I'd call them "wtf is this nvidia, shove it back to the oven and gtfo with your BS". But I consider that a very myopic view of the situation - cause if it was the case that nvidia in all it's greediness and evildoing just released these nonsensical products then surely everyone else would be flying past them. The 9060xt - soon to be upon us - should be curbstomping not just the 5060ti (which it won't) - but even take a shot at the 5070ti. But it doesn't. Not even the 9070xt does. Think about it, it's 2 generations - 5 years worth of graphics cards - that nvidia has been giving out laughably bad upgrades, and yet they still remain at the top of the chart. A very mediocre 40% gen on gen uplift would put the 9070xt next to the 4090 in performance. But it's nowhere near.

So it's either technology - node shrinks - architectures - have hit a hard wall, or every other company is just as bad or worse than nvidia anyways, so what would be the point of me or anyone else criticizing nvidia. This is either the best that they can do with current technology (since nobody else can actually do any better), or they are all equal greedy and nasty. In either case, why would I or anyone else single out nvidia and bash them constantly? It just doesn't make sense to me. I'd feel like a complete idiot to criticize nvidia for stagnating - cause nvidia stagnating would also mean that everyone else (including Intel mind you) would be just walking all over them in performance. And yet....

It's the whole market for sure.

Amd is just as guilty of stagnation if not more so.

This 5060 isn't even the most offensive product from the 50 series it's just a bit meh and reeks if stagnation.

It's basically a refresh generation literally everything either didnt get a memory bump or didn't get a significant perfomance boost most the linup didn't get either

the shitty part is it cane 2 years after 40 series on top of they likely already knew perfomance targets 12-24 months ago becuase gpus take multiple years from design to manufacturing.

I've said this before I get due to the process node they chose the 5090 couldn't be meaningfully better but everything below it could if AMD can release a larger gpu die at $299 so can Nvidia this has everything to do with Nvidia wanting to maintain 70%+ margins I'm sure the bulk of that comes from their professional products but they obviously dont want gaming dragging that down 1%....

Regardless of how much I dislike this generation I have 0 animosity towards Nvidia or AMD I just wish they'd do better I think any pc hardware enthusiasts should want that especially after the last couple generations and how pricing has been for a half decade now in general.

I wish when Nvidia showed the BS slide that the 5070 = 4090 was true becuase that would have been awesome for gamers, the gaming market, and all these cool technologies like Pathtracing and DLAA etc being more in reach to more people at acceptable framerares and resolutions.

The reality is that wasn't overly difficult for Nvidia in the past but for various reason including silicon in general getting Uber expensive we are lucky if we jump one tier.... #2025

The upside is the 2080ti can still game decently 7 years later that would be like the gtx 580 running 2017 AAA games at good framerates lmao. #stagnation.

 

[JustBenching]

Oh don't get me wrong, MSI didn't care about Radeon but I don't think that aspect was because of any background incentive. Their AMD GPUs likely didn't sell well and so they didn't give them as much love. Fair enough, cut that relationship and leave it to Sapphire, XFX, Powercolor etc.

Their APU decision is still an odd one to me. They don't have to work with Intel but choosing the brand that is not as reputable in CPUs and APUs as of late was certainly a decision.

Since everyone else is using amd apus maybe it was cheaper and more readily available stock?

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Oh don't get me wrong, MSI didn't care about Radeon but I don't think that aspect was because of any background incentive. Their AMD GPUs likely didn't sell well and so they didn't give them as much love. Fair enough, cut that relationship and leave it to Sapphire, XFX, Powercolor etc.

Their APU decision is still an odd one to me. They don't have to work with Intel but choosing the brand that is not as reputable in CPUs and APUs as of late was certainly a decision.

-Probably just money again. PC Handhelds is still a relatively small market, most folks use AMD so there is a supply/price constraint there.

MSI decides to go with Intel for some differentiation but more likely that Intel is willing to sell them the chips for a song cause no one else is buying. Also let's Intel claim they're in the handheld space too see!

 

[JustBenching]

The upside is the 2080ti can still game decently 7 years later that would be like the gtx 580 running 2017 AAA games at good framerates lmao. #stagnation.

It struggles at 4k ultra + PT , what are you talking about? Hub tested it

 

[oxrufiioxo]

It struggles at 4k ultra + PT , what are you talking about? Hub tested it

It just cracks me up because of how meh turing was due to the fact it was the first generation Nvidia jacked up pricing at every tier although I would argue from just a performance uplift they were more impressive than the majority of 50 series even though they were also just using a refreshed node vs what they replaced and even a worse node than AMD RDNA1 and still were way more impressive.


My next gpu will likely be in the 7-1000 usd range and the way it's going it will be a long ass time before something is meaningfully better than what I have...... We should all just toast to the good times and hope for a better next generation.

 

[JustBenching]

It just cracks me up because of how meh turing was due to the fact it was the first generation Nvidia jacked up pricing at every tier although I would argue from just a performance uplift they were more impressive than the majority of 50 series even though they were also just using a refreshed node vs what they replaced and even a worse node than AMD RDNA1 and still were way more impressive.


My next gpu will likely be in the 7-1000 usd range and the way it's going it will be a long ass time before something is meaningfully better than what I have...... We should all just toast to the good times and hope for a better next generation.

I skipped turing completely, as a 1080ti owner the 2080 was a side - downgrade and the 2080ti had an absurd price (back in 2018 - 1200€ was actually a LOT of money). But im super glad I snatched a 4090 cause yeah, a 1k$ gpu beating it? With the way things are going, we will be lucky if the 6080 manages that - but god only knows at what price. So a 1k$ gpu being a worthy upgrade over the 4090 - that's 2030 at the earliest if we are lucky, lol. And that's just talking about nvidia, amd doing it? Yeah..well.

But thank Jensen DLSS 4 is good, ill just use it in performance and laugh all the way to the bank

With all the crap that nvidia is getting, their high end gpus age a LOT better than amd ones. 3090 will age a lot better than the 7900xtx, even though it's a generation older. Access to DLSS 3 + 4 and better RT (which starts getting more and more mandatory in games), good luck. But I still remember people trying to compare the xtx to the 4090 and claim it's half the money. Yeah, right

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I skipped turing completely, as a 1080ti owner the 2080 was a side - downgrade and the 2080ti had an absurd price (back in 2018 - 1200€ was actually a LOT of money). But im super glad I snatched a 4090 cause yeah, a 1k$ gpu beating it? With the way things are going, we will be lucky if the 6080 manages that - but god only knows at what price. So a 1k$ gpu being a worthy upgrade over the 4090 - that's 2030 at the earliest if we are lucky, lol. And that's just talking about nvidia, amd doing it? Yeah..well.

Those were my glory days... I owned 2x 970, 980ti during Maxwell, 2x 1080s, 2x 1080ti and a Titan Xp during Pascal. A 2080ti and 2080 during Turing my wife basically told me I was a pussy if I didn't get the 2080ti I wasn't overly enthusiastic about a 1200 usd Strix card lol. Wasn't married for 9 and 10 series and had more Money than sense..... Ampere I could only get a 3080ti for obvious reason mostly due to skipping the 3080 10G at MSRP because it was a gigabyte eagle and not being sold on the 3090 due to it only being 10-15% better than the 3080 big mistake on both.

Even with all those poor financial decision I retired at 41 so there is that at least lol.

But thank Jensen DLSS 4 is good, ill just use it in performance and laugh all the way to the bank

That is the silver lining the 4090 was better than even I expected and still does fine in 2025 especially at 1440p UW what I use it for even my 3080ti in my secondary PC at 1440p with DLSS quality/balanced is fine usually after 4 years the card in my secondary PC is really struggling but not this time lol.

 

[JustBenching]

Those were my glory days... I owned 2x 970, 980ti during Maxwell, 2x 1080s, 2x 1080ti and a Titan Xp during Pascal. A 2080ti and 2080 during Turing my wife basically told me I was a pussy if I didn't get the 2080ti I wasn't overly enthusiastic about a 1200 usd Strix card lol. Wasn't married for 9 and 10 series and had more Money than sense..... Ampere I could only get a 3080ti for obvious reason mostly due to skipping the 3080 10G at MSRP because it was a gigabyte eagle and not being sold on the 3090 due to it only being 10-15% better than the 3080 big mistake on both.

Even with all those poor financial decision I retired at 41 so there is that at least lol.




That is the silver lining the 4090 was better than even I expected and still does fine in 2025 especially at 1440p UW what I use it for even my 3080ti in my secondary PC at 1440p with DLSS quality/balanced is fine usually after 4 years the card in my secondary PC is really struggling but not this time lol.

Yeah 3090 looked stupid at the time but it paid itself back anyways (mining). Nowadays it seems worth it since if you really get down to it it aged better than even a 7900xtx. Both cards are inadequate for 4k without any sort of upscaling (at the heavier games - or if you want 80+ fps) and since 3090 gets access to both DLSS 3 and 4, oh well.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

With all the crap that nvidia is getting, their high end gpus age a LOT better than amd ones. 3090 will age a lot better than the 7900xtx, even though it's a generation older. Access to DLSS 3 + 4 and better RT (which starts getting more and more mandatory in games), good luck. But I still remember people trying to compare the xtx to the 4090 and claim it's half the money. Yeah, right

I just really hope AMD builds from RDNA4 honestly if they can just keep this momentum they can at least be a viable alternative for more than 10% of the market... People forget but it wasn't that long ago that they were closer to 40% market share it took them multiple fumbled generations to get to where they are now.

Yeah 3090 looked stupid at the time but it paid itself back anyways (mining). Nowadays it seems worth it since if you really get down to it it aged better than even a 7900xtx. Both cards are inadequate for 4k without any sort of upscaling (at the heavier games - or if you want 80+ fps) and since 3090 gets access to both DLSS 3 and 4, oh well.

I don't know I think both those gpu's would be a toss up I think the 3090 has definitely aged much better than the 6900XT though it's actual competitor. 7900XTX is pretty decent still.

 

[N/A]

Well, if 5060 ~~ 2080 ti and RTX 6060 ~~ 3080 ti I can work with that.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Well, if 5060 ~~ 2080 ti and RTX 6060 ~~ 3080 ti I can work with that.

The 6060 would need the combined gains of the last 2 60 series generations to do that if we are lucky it'll match the 5070 and have more than 8GB of vram.... If it does have 8GB and Nvidia fanboys are still defending it there is no hope for humanity lmao.