Don't fall for the hype. Arctic Liquid Freezer III criticism.

[Deleted member 234478]

It's the best cooler for AM5 because of:
- contact / cold plate design
- fan design
- fan / pump curve setting options
- thicker rad
- Noise : performance
- Options between 240 - 280 - 360 - 420mm
- Fan cables sleeved in
Also I like the VRM fan and pump design.

It costs ~50% of its competing rivals and currently EU has refurbished 420mm units for sale 39€ in arctic.de.

Does it need force to properly thread the screws mounting it? could it be improved? Yes. Is it a deal braker given reasons above? No.

written like a true artic salesman. or should I say PR rep. 4 posts. yea definitely a random objective poster casually coming in to push a sale.

easy to see pr reps. the one above you too.

its obvious all the pr reps for companies are trying to blend in as regular users trying to deflect and downplay negativity and hype up products. but easy to see who they are. I worked in marketing for many years.

 

[timsdf]

Sure. Dont buy one then. PR reps could have 10,000 or 782 posts too. Maybe PR reps live in your walls.

In reality I've done ~50 system installs with LF3s and just like them.

 

[Deleted member 234478]

Sure. Dont buy one then. PR reps could have 10,000 or 782 posts too. Maybe PR reps live in your walls.

In reality I've done ~50 system installs with LF3s and just like them.

hahaha called you out. now trying to deflect. its easy to tell who the pr reps are. many on forums. cause thats where companies are made or broken. and negative posts about a product aimed exactly to those who may buy will ruin sales. so you pr reps are online trying to downplay it.

4 post profile "omg, best cooler because 1000 reasons and they have a sale and totally not trying to sell it like a pr rep" lmao

 

[Solaris17]

Both of you are out of here; go play somewhere else.

 

[harm9963]

No issues for me, repasted two times , change wires once 3 to1 connector to 3 connectors setup .

 

[xu^]

had no problems fitting my 240 , i wanted the 280 even tho my case supports a 280 up top, the 280 didn't fit, so had to swap it out for the 240.

2nd problem i had was 1 of the fans does not power on at all, when connected normally , if i mess about with adaptors and splitters it will work, tried 3 different arctic fans and all did the same, does a good job, but i don't think id buy another one when the time comes.
to fiddly and the fan problem drove me nuts.

 

[jormungand]

Ive used cpu air coolers all my life, for the first time i bought LC
watched a tons of vids reviews and went straight for the Artic Freezer III.
i was aware of the weird and "difficult" mounting screws.
Just once, one time took me to install it and it works as intended.
no mounting issues, no weirds temps readings.
So i think that is everyone case scenario and experience.
Not a bad product at all imo, and got it for $98

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I've done 5 builds with the 360 version found installation extremely easy on AM4/5 after the first time.

The II varient was also easy, cheap, and cooled fantastic even though imho it's ugly AF.

They all cooled very well better than the NZXT/Corsair alternatives even at lower noise levels and typically much lower prices.

Like with any piece of hardware do your research and decide if it works for you based on video installations and professional reviews

I probably would skip it for intel personally though not a fan of being forced to use the contact frame.

 

[AndyGawg]

I can only speak for the LF 2. I've had it in my PC since I made it in 2021. Repasted 3 times. Easy. Excellent performance.
The rad is 38mm thick plus 25mm fans. Most competitiors are 27mm plus 25 mm fans. This does indeed rule it out for quite a few cases as the fans (or rad depending on push or pull) will hit your memory. In fact it simply won't fit at all.

So one needs to check. The extra thickness of course increases cooling. More surface area, plus I read the new LF 3 has the option for 8 fin fans which give very high static pressure to push through the tighter mesh, plus the extra 11mm. Basic physics. Cooler.

But I'm getting ahead of myself. All I can say is the LF2 280 is a marvelous product with excellent cooling. I would have paid more for it. Installation (and removing to repaste 3 times) was pretty easy. I have an unused LF 2 360 which I bought about 2 years ago as I was so impressed with the LF 2 280, I wanted to ensure I had one.

After reading OPs post I will be extra diligent in purchasing the LF 3 360, (and giving away my LF 2) so thanks for the post. But I am very surprised. Still I'll keep the warning in mind. Cannot make a definitive comment as I only have the previous version, LF 2, which is excellent.

If the LF 3 is as good as the LF 2 (and it should be better) then it's already one of the best AIO for each respective size - 240mm, 280mm 360mm and 420mm.

I've done 5 builds with the 360 version found installation extremely easy on AM4/5 after the first time.

The II varient was also easy, cheap, and cooled fantastic even though imho it's ugly AF.

They all cooled very well better than the NZXT/Corsair alternatives even at lower noise levels and typically much lower prices.

Like with any piece of hardware do your research and decide if it works for you based on video installations and professional reviews

I probably would skip it for intel personally though not a fan of being forced to use the contact frame.

Well put. Research is everything for building a Desktop. Every single component should complement each other compenent.

But I quoted your post not only as I agree, but I totally agree with the bit about it being as ugly AF. Totally hideous.

 

[GerKNG]

Good for you. Maybe "Mr. Hair Conditioner" should collaborate with you instead of Mike given how he struggled a bit with the mounting.

And I knew about the thickness before purchase, what I didn't know exactly is how everything will fit, and how much space will I have available to route cables and get my fingers where needed.

i ignore the cringy ad hominem part for now.

And why should arctic be responsible for you case, motherboard and cable management skills?
And the most important:
The inability to literally just push the block down with your thumb to screw the other side in with ease?

I had a bunch of them from the LF2 series and two LF3s. All fitted well in all cases i tried. Even a tiny microATX lian li A3.

 

[AndyGawg]

And I knew about the thickness before purchase, what I didn't know exactly is how everything will fit, and how much space will I have available to route cables and get my fingers where needed

Seems you figured it out yourself.

It's a positive really.

It was the same for me when I first started building PCs. Learning from my mistakes was something that I never needed to learn again. Buying any part only to find it doesn't fit properly costs money. Plus, who to blame??? Well myself of course. Those are old lessons from a 1st gen core i7 920 rig I finally finished.

Anyhow -

Next build you will make sure before hand, by planning the basics of available space to route cables, and make sure everything will fit before settling on a purchase.

It can be a wonderful thing:

To my amazment, I had enough parts left over to almost build a second PC -

Errr, Well, I would have, but, TBH most of the parts were damaged beyond repair from attempting to put slightly larger "bits and pieces," into slightly smaller compartments and wiring slots, increasingly aggressively due to my irritation - at myself.

It never happened again after that.

 

[freeagent]

Learning from my mistakes

The look of a high end video card, or motherboard sitting in your garbage can, with leftover spaghetti on it is a memory that is never meant to be forgotten..

Luckily I am not new anymore, but when I was it was expensive.. just like any other hobby for me haha.. gotta break a few things to get a feel for it lol..

 

[Sol_Badguy]

Okay so I'll add a few things.

First thing, people who have the LF3 should not be upset if I (or someone else) say something bad about it. My words won't affect the performance it has in their system in any way.
Moreover, people who have the LF3 should not be upset if I recommend against it, other users who are looking to buy a cooler are free to choose after they have enough information, it's not like a sect thing where we compete for how many followers we can get.

Same thing about the installation, if person_A who installed it on AMD says they found it more difficult than with other AIOs it doesn't alter the positive experience person_B had when they installed it on AMD.
One thing I would like to know if perhaps the screws were changed sometime after launch.
If they have, then it means that the installation on AMD is easier for everyone with the newer (if true) revision. If not well then some have steadier hands than others.

There are enough reports online that indicate the installation on AMD needs more care and force than in other cases. Sure, some might say that these comments are made by the competition in order to discredit the product. I can infer the same about the negative comments for competing AIOs. So if we suspect foul play then it's only fair to suspect everyone.

About the positive aspects of the LF3 even though I explained in the mainpost why I choose to leave that part aside, some people still felt the need to highlight some of the positives as if somehow I contested them beforehand. I do acknowledge the positives and if need be I can list just as many positives as the next guy.

Regarding thickness, I already explained some aspects, but I'll elaborate further.
This cooler is thicker than others, this is a fact, what is also a fact is that the extra volume reduces available space inside the case even if it does fit. So this is objectively a negative point but I agree that it won't matter the same for everyone.

Going into performance, it is among the best, especially when noise normalized, I never disputed that. However considering the extra radiator volume (40% more than with 27mm) and the offset mounting for AMD I would argue that the performance is not that great. Other units are on par despite having thinner rads and/or despite not having offset.
Also about the offset mounting this brings us to another aspect which users must take into account regarding possible clearance issue with the M.2 heatsink relative to their mobo model.

Correlating radiator volume and performance, I don't see any reason for excitement. Just as with video cards, and the cooler comparison tests, some cards achieve very similar results to others while being lighter and slimmer, thus less volume. If in the case of video cards that aspect is important it should be the same with coolers, it's the same thing.
So if other units are on par using less hardware/resources then those have an edge. This is again fact and not just my opinion.

Having said all of the above, for the AMD platform I have identified two clear advantages over the competition in ideal conditions (assuming there is no issue with the radiator fitting inside the case and next to everything else and no clearance issue between the CPU block and M.2 heatsink).
These are the two:
- the VRM fan which does work, even if the VRM temps are absolutely fine, getting them lowered is only for the better, so in this regard it has an edge over the competition;
- lower price than with other units, considering the performance is on par, especially when noise normalized.
I can't comment about other things such as quality, only about warranty period.
So if the two clear advantages listed above are enough to tip the scales in its favor is up to each person to decide.

But on the Intel platform I would argue that this cooler is disqualified for a regular user because of the mounting issues and further consequences.
Even on LGA1700 (where the older ILM admittedly is deficient) I would argue that it's simply not worth it, as was demonstrated in the GN video, Arctic controls all aspects of the mounting and it still can't get the best result. Therefore the competition has the edge, on par performance and standard installation.
The only positives the LF3 has in this scenario are still the two mentioned above: the VRM fan and price.
Not enough to warrant consideration.
On LGA1851 it's totally disqualified for a regular user (given the new ILM). Even the Pro which has the offset contact frame that lowers temps. A few degrees less are not worth the trouble.

One other angle is having both mounting options be reliable. Even if I will use a more exotic example, we can imagine a situation where a user having a slightly older AM4 platform decides to change to a newer Intel platform. I won't debate over specifics on why someone would make that switch, but let's say that user decides he will reuse the LF3, because it's still working and it's more than capable for the new CPU. Given the current mounting he will be forced to use the contact frame and make the required modifications, yes? Or else he has to change the cooler. So even if it's a rare occurence it's one more example that shows that the sketchy mounting option for Intel diminishes the overall value of this AIO, basically forcing you to stay with AMD till the end or else face the consequences.

In the end I don't see how a cooler having the aforementioned characteristics is a good/great option generally speaking. For some people yes it could be a great option within their set of variables, but generally speaking not that great.

At this point I've talked enough about this subject, for the people that consider my arguments unfounded please go ahead and dispute them, if they're that shallow you'll have no trouble doing that.
On the flip side if some things I've said are found useful by others then great, if it helps them avoid wrong choices that's all that matters.

i ignore the cringy ad hominem part for now.

He'll be just fine, trust me.
About me being upset with GN over consistency, have a look at the video below:

In this video AIO manufacturers were called out for advertising pictures of suboptimal mounting orientations which provide less than ideal (or plainly wrong) examples to casual users.
It's videos/attitudes like this that build trust. And over time the more of these you watch the more trust you have, and the more you let your guard down. And when a review video of an AIO comes up and some aspects are possibly downplayed, then people naturally assume it's nothing to worry about. Cause if it were the reviewer would insist otherwise, right?

I had a bunch of them from the LF2 series and two LF3s. All fitted well in all cases i tried. Even a tiny microATX lian li A3.

So I don't forget.
The irony. I actually have the LF3 and regret having it, and you (the first who replied) and who praises it, you seem to (according to your current specs) have the Nautilus in your system. Because reasons, right?
I am considering replacing the LF3 with either the Nautilus or the GA II Lite. Given your personal choice I'll take that as an implied recommendation for the Nautilus.
So thank you for the recommendation, I'll definitely take it into account!

 

[AndyGawg]

The look of a high end video card, or motherboard sitting in your garbage can, with leftover spaghetti on it is a memory that is never meant to be forgotten..

Luckily I am not new anymore, but when I was it was expensive.. just like any other hobby for me haha.. gotta break a few things to get a feel for it lol..

Same here. I actually use a text list, and a spreadsheet with all data of all components, including, importantly all case dimensions. My last several builds (11 in all) have now reached the point where everything fits and I know fully about possible additions of drives, PCIe devices, everything. But that was pretty much the case after my first build which was a disaster, (in hindsite it was worth it though.)

More importantly, now I operate by the principle your PC is only as good as it's weakest part. While not entirely true for add ons, and extra SSDs, it is essential to get at least the core components correct/balanced so that all main parts can work to their full potential without being held back (or bottlenecked for some things) and build a PC that will last, and that all possible performance can be squeezed out of.

Then only silicon lottery can throw a spanner in the works for overclocking. Below the basics, by no means a full write up.

This is obvious including below to most on here. Sorry to the majority of members for whom this is no doubt what they do, or even just common sense.
For Primarily gaming.

1. CPU, should be a good match for the GPU. This isn't too hard as a modern, but decent CPU will not bottleneck a GPU unless playing low res (1080p or less at massive frame rates, like over 240 fps. A 4k monitor is unlikely to give good fluid, high settings above 120fps in demanding games. The GPU does most of the work. Good luck with 120 fps even with the latest top model GPUs playing demanding games with Ray Tracing on, ha ha.

So 8 real cores (16 logical with HT) should be fine. I turn off HT and use only the real cores. Means less heat, higher OCs. Plus games are fine with 8 cores. The new AMD chips come to mind.

2. GPU. As much as you can afford after reviewing the product fully. (Unless you get a budget CPU which I doubt most system builders would consider.)

3. Mobo. Plenty of PCEe lanes organized in the way that suits you. Not a problem usually. Good components, and importantly strong VRMs with a large, piped heatsink covering them all. Expansion potential including Memory.

4. Memory. Doesn't need to be the fastest, but a good brand (I stick to G.Skill Trident lines.) with good timings, and by reading reviews knowing it can be OCed beyond it's XMP. DDR5 these days. 32GB enough now and probably a while, but to future proof. Well if affordable 64GB or the rarer 48GB configs. If gaming mainly not a problem if your board can add more.

5. PSU. At least Gold rated. Well regarded brand - Seasonic for example, and higher output then required. Never cheap out on a PSU. Huge mistake.

OK, there are other things, and what I wrote above is by no means comprehensive, especially for GPU, and CPU, plus a good quality Mobo. Could go on but I suspect some of you guys have nodded off already, unless you just skipped the "word wall," post.

I end by saying planning, and then some. Researching and more researching of the most critical parts. I forgot to say NVMe for System drive. More if funds available.
Future upgrade paths. I like to have a mental image of all components complimenting the others, rather than the waste full one part holding back another.

Of course there is also budget and PC main use too. I always aim for best gaming performance. Video editing which I don't do will need a CPU with heaps of cores for instance.

So, a brief summary above. There is so much to research to get it right. In my case deciding on the components takes longer than actually assembling the rig!

You can wake up now!!

MAJOR EDIT: Get a powerful air, or good quality AIO that fits!! How could I forget that?

 

[Endymio]

The look of a high end video card, or motherboard sitting in your garbage can, with leftover spaghetti on it is a memory that is never meant to be forgotten..

Utterly insensitive of you. You should have given it a proper burial in the backyard, next to the pet iguana.

 

[AndyGawg]

Utterly insensitive of you. You should have given it a proper burial in the backyard, next to the pet iguana.

I cremated mine. Lost the ashes.

 

[Chomiq]

Okay so I'll add a few things.

First thing, people who have the LF3 should not be upset if I (or someone else) say something bad about it. My words won't affect the performance it has in their system in any way.

This is your reply to someone giving positive feedback about use of LFIII on AMD.

You immediately jumped on them.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

Building a computer is something that only knowledgeable and handy people should do. It requires some skill. Such people will have no problem with this cooler.

Other people should buy finished products or an Apple product.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Okay so I'll add a few things.

First thing, people who have the LF3 should not be upset if I (or someone else) say something bad about it. My words won't affect the performance it has in their system in any way.
Moreover, people who have the LF3 should not be upset if I recommend against it, other users who are looking to buy a cooler are free to choose after they have enough information, it's not like a sect thing where we compete for how many followers we can get.

Same thing about the installation, if person_A who installed it on AMD says they found it more difficult than with other AIOs it doesn't alter the positive experience person_B had when they installed it on AMD.
One thing I would like to know if perhaps the screws were changed sometime after launch.
If they have, then it means that the installation on AMD is easier for everyone with the newer (if true) revision. If not well then some have steadier hands than others.

There are enough reports online that indicate the installation on AMD needs more care and force than in other cases. Sure, some might say that these comments are made by the competition in order to discredit the product. I can infer the same about the negative comments for competing AIOs. So if we suspect foul play then it's only fair to suspect everyone.

About the positive aspects of the LF3 even though I explained in the mainpost why I choose to leave that part aside, some people still felt the need to highlight some of the positives as if somehow I contested them beforehand. I do acknowledge the positives and if need be I can list just as many positives as the next guy.

Regarding thickness, I already explained some aspects, but I'll elaborate further.
This cooler is thicker than others, this is a fact, what is also a fact is that the extra volume reduces available space inside the case even if it does fit. So this is objectively a negative point but I agree that it won't matter the same for everyone.

Going into performance, it is among the best, especially when noise normalized, I never disputed that. However considering the extra radiator volume (40% more than with 27mm) and the offset mounting for AMD I would argue that the performance is not that great. Other units are on par despite having thinner rads and/or despite not having offset.
Also about the offset mounting this brings us to another aspect which users must take into account regarding possible clearance issue with the M.2 heatsink relative to their mobo model.

Correlating radiator volume and performance, I don't see any reason for excitement. Just as with video cards, and the cooler comparison tests, some cards achieve very similar results to others while being lighter and slimmer, thus less volume. If in the case of video cards that aspect is important it should be the same with coolers, it's the same thing.
So if other units are on par using less hardware/resources then those have an edge. This is again fact and not just my opinion.

Having said all of the above, for the AMD platform I have identified two clear advantages over the competition in ideal conditions (assuming there is no issue with the radiator fitting inside the case and next to everything else and no clearance issue between the CPU block and M.2 heatsink).
These are the two:
- the VRM fan which does work, even if the VRM temps are absolutely fine, getting them lowered is only for the better, so in this regard it has an edge over the competition;
- lower price than with other units, considering the performance is on par, especially when noise normalized.
I can't comment about other things such as quality, only about warranty period.
So if the two clear advantages listed above are enough to tip the scales in its favor is up to each person to decide.

But on the Intel platform I would argue that this cooler is disqualified for a regular user because of the mounting issues and further consequences.
Even on LGA1700 (where the older ILM admittedly is deficient) I would argue that it's simply not worth it, as was demonstrated in the GN video, Arctic controls all aspects of the mounting and it still can't get the best result. Therefore the competition has the edge, on par performance and standard installation.
The only positives the LF3 has in this scenario are still the two mentioned above: the VRM fan and price.
Not enough to warrant consideration.
On LGA1851 it's totally disqualified for a regular user (given the new ILM). Even the Pro which has the offset contact frame that lowers temps. A few degrees less are not worth the trouble.

One other angle is having both mounting options be reliable. Even if I will use a more exotic example, we can imagine a situation where a user having a slightly older AM4 platform decides to change to a newer Intel platform. I won't debate over specifics on why someone would make that switch, but let's say that user decides he will reuse the LF3, because it's still working and it's more than capable for the new CPU. Given the current mounting he will be forced to use the contact frame and make the required modifications, yes? Or else he has to change the cooler. So even if it's a rare occurence it's one more example that shows that the sketchy mounting option for Intel diminishes the overall value of this AIO, basically forcing you to stay with AMD till the end or else face the consequences.

In the end I don't see how a cooler having the aforementioned characteristics is a good/great option generally speaking. For some people yes it could be a great option within their set of variables, but generally speaking not that great.

At this point I've talked enough about this subject, for the people that consider my arguments unfounded please go ahead and dispute them, if they're that shallow you'll have no trouble doing that.
On the flip side if some things I've said are found useful by others then great, if it helps them avoid wrong choices that's all that matters.

He'll be just fine, trust me.
About me being upset with GN over consistency, have a look at the video below:

In this video AIO manufacturers were called out for advertising pictures of suboptimal mounting orientations which provide less than ideal (or plainly wrong) examples to casual users.
It's videos/attitudes like this that build trust. And over time the more of these you watch the more trust you have, and the more you let your guard down. And when a review video of an AIO comes up and some aspects are possibly downplayed, then people naturally assume it's nothing to worry about. Cause if it were the reviewer would insist otherwise, right?

So I don't forget.
The irony. I actually have the LF3 and regret having it, and you (the first who replied) and who praises it, you seem to (according to your current specs) have the Nautilus in your system. Because reasons, right?
I am considering replacing the LF3 with either the Nautilus or the GA II Lite. Given your personal choice I'll take that as an implied recommendation for the Nautilus.
So thank you for the recommendation, I'll definitely take it into account!

Funny part is that I have nothing to dispute of your opinion.

(IMO) = its a 70$ piece of shit All In One liquid cooler, like most of them are while most decent air coolers of the same price range probably do a better job at actually cooling a cpu. No vrm fan needed.

 

[AndyGawg]

Building a computer is something that only knowledgeable and handy people should do. It requires some skill. Such people will have no problem with this cooler.

Other people should buy finished products or an Apple product.

Fully agree.

I like the way you worded your last sentence, ending with an Apple product. Made me laugh, hence the "like - laugh reaction" given. True though.

 

[EarthDog]

Thanks for your thoughts.

I've had to install this thing across........oh I don't know......... 50+ motherboards, so far? There are two major concerns here for me............

1. The 'block' is big and can get in the way of some VRM heatsinks (rare, like twice).
2. The mounting studs for the Intel mount, you absolutely need to use the included plastic washers or you risk stripping the PCB. I killed a board doing so.

EDIT: The block is better on the III than than previous versions so #1 only holds for the older style/block.

Outside of that, many of the concerns tabled here should be alleviated by RTFM or some reviews (that specifically mention the contact frame). You're not wrong, but the weight of these don't make me worried about 'falling for the hype'.

 

[Athlonite]

Seems to me it's a you issue @op as there seems to be a few in here that have had no problems installing the Arctic LFIII I suggest you slow down a bit and take your time when installing it as maybe you are in to much of a rush

Yes there are a few foibles to it's installation but what Water Cooler doesn't have a few foibles to it's install they all do some are harder than others you just need to slow down and take your time

 

[Sol_Badguy]

One thing I would like to know if perhaps the screws were changed sometime after launch.
If they have, then it means that the installation on AMD is easier for everyone with the newer (if true) revision. If not well then some have steadier hands than others.

Okay so there is a Rev.2 (mine also, I checked the box) that addressed the screw issue among other things:

https://www.reddit.com/r/arcticcooling/comments/1fbjb8d/comment/m46zof9

Given my criticism for the AMD mounting is no longer valid I'll retract my criticism for the Rev.2 and apologize for the trouble caused regarding this aspect.
I have no problem being proven wrong with facts.

This is your reply to someone giving positive feedback about use of LFIII on AMD.

You immediately jumped on them.

Jumped with what exactly?
The negativity was actually directed at the GN guys.

Building a computer is something that only knowledgeable and handy people should do. It requires some skill. Such people will have no problem with this cooler.

Other people should buy finished products or an Apple product.

Yeah, basically you and others like you are the ones knowledgeable, handy and skilled meanwhile I and others like me are not (more of the same leet mocks noob attitude).
The elitist routine doesn't phase me one bit.

I could've kept things to myself, nobody here would've known. Would that have made me appear like less of a noob? Nothing like maintaining appearances, right?

If it will make you feel better yes I am publicly admitting that you are much more skilled than me when it comes to building PCs. Now you can happily celebrate that achievement! Good luck with building more PCs!

Outside of that, many of the concerns tabled here should be alleviated by RTFM or some reviews (that specifically mention the contact frame). You're not wrong, but the weight of these don't make me worried about 'falling for the hype'.

Seems to me it's a you issue @op

Isn't it always user error? Either you didn't gather enough information or you handled something too rough etc., it's practically always the user's fault even if in reality he is not 100% to blame.

I know it's my fault, I didn't foresee all the consequences, that doesn't mean other parties involved are completely innocent. Not as long as they're after our money, if they are they will try all the necessary tricks to shift the balance in their favor. That goes for companies selling products and also toobers who also benefit from views and ultimately our time. Their pocket has priority over some random person.

That warning towards the end of the description is proof that Thermal Grizzly is not trying to deceive anyone or try to downplay certain aspects just to get one more sale.

Thermal Grizzly Intel 13th/14th Gen CPU Contact Frame

The Intel 13th/14th Gen CPU Contact Frame is a mounting frame for Intel CPUs of the 12th/13th/14th Gen and prevents CPUs bending in the socket.

www.thermal-grizzly.com

In this case it really is an accessory for enthusiasts (which are likely more informed), but with Arctic the fact that it's included in the package helps them stay in a gray area and also be able to market the product towards less enthusiastic and likely less informed consumers.

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Ultimately, given the latest discovery, the LF3 Rev.2 seems like a good choice for AMD users if they make sure there is no clearance issue. In this case the advantages over the competition I've mentioned are probably enough to sway the decision towards the LF3, no problem with that.

For Intel users I still stand by what I said (especially in post #38), it's to be avoided unless the user really wants this unit and is perfectly okay with the aforementioned aspects and implications. If so, it's his money and his choice, again no problem with that.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

Yeah, basically you and others like you are the ones knowledgeable, handy and skilled meanwhile I and others like me are not (more of the same leet mocks noob attitude).
The elitist routine doesn't phase me one bit.

I could've kept things to myself, nobody here would've known. Would that have made me appear like less of a noob? Nothing like maintaining appearances, right?

If it will make you feel better yes I am publicly admitting that you are much more skilled than me when it comes to building PCs. Now you can happily celebrate that achievement! Good luck with building more PCs!

I have no idea, why do you write about my skill.

I believe that is it just a happy coincidence that at this time a normal consumer is able to purchase computer parts and build his own computer. If people continue to boast about what they screwed up, how left-handed they are and how they managed to damage parts by using cables which are damaged or improperly installed, we may end up losing access to computer parts completely.

For Intel users I still stand by what I said (especially in post #38), it's to be avoided ...

I found this post and was shocked by its lenght and left right away.

 

[AndyGawg]

Hey, OP. A bit of friendly advice. Just drop the topic. You've said all you need to say, and more.
The thread is going know where. In fact it's got a rather negative defensive/attack tone at times. We don't need that.

So I hope you realize that you have already provided a lot of info and opinion.