Veteran gamer that never owned an NVidia card needs help to choose

[Visible Noise]

We better get back on topic before we get this thread locked, the distress that would cause everyone that still wants to talk about gpu's the OP has already decided on.

He was off topic from his first post in this thread, which was the very first reply:

OP: I want an Nvidia card, what do you guys think of these?
Marcus: Get a 9070XT.

Ridiculous.

 

[Marcus L]

He was off topic from his first post in this thread, which was the very first reply:

OP: I want an Nvidia card, what do you guys think of these?
Marcus: Get a 9070XT.

Ridiculous.

Dig at me really? 4 guys with NV GPU's and I'm at fault? ok buddy

He literally posted about 9070/5070 and the difference was $200 keep paying that tax sheeple

 

[Dr. Dro]

He was off topic from his first post in this thread, which was the very first reply:

OP: I want an Nvidia card, what do you guys think of these?
Marcus: Get a 9070XT.

Ridiculous.

Get a 9070 XT is reasonable advice if the pricing is adjusted accordingly imo... the earlier buy a 7800 advice given a few pages back, however, is quite questionable indeed.

In any case I hope the OP enjoys their card. I've been quite happy with my Palit and I hope that it meets their expectations

 

[Visible Noise]

Get a 9070 XT is reasonable advice if the pricing is adjusted accordingly imo... the earlier buy a 7800 advice given a few pages back, however, is quite questionable indeed.

In any case I hope the OP enjoys their card. I've been quite happy with my Palit and I hope that it meets their expectations

It’s not reasonable when the title of the thread is need help to choose an Nvidia card, and the text of his post says he wants to change to Nvidia. At that point all the “buy AMD” posts are off topic.

Dig at me really? 4 guys with NV GPU's and I'm at fault? ok buddy

He literally posted about 9070/5070 and the difference was $200 keep paying that tax sheeple

Wow, now you’re calling the OP names.

Grow up.

 

[Dr. Dro]

It’s not reasonable when the title of the thread is need help to choose an Nvidia card, and the text of his post says he wants to change to Nvidia. At that point all the “buy AMD” posts are off topic.


Wow, now you’re calling the OP names.

Grow up.

Personally I don't subscribe to that mindset, that's just a lousy attempt to shut down opposing views, a valid option is a valid option IMHO. But regardless, OP has already purchased a card and the thread is thus solved.

 

[nguyen]

It’s not reasonable when the title of the thread is need help to choose an Nvidia card, and the text of his post says he wants to change to Nvidia. At that point all the “buy AMD” posts are off topic.


Wow, now you’re calling the OP names.

Grow up.

Paying more to get a better product = sheeple .

Anyways I guess OP will posting about his experience in this thread, let hope his first time using geforce won't be the last time .

 

[JustBenching]

Crazy how some peoples minds works, for $900 you will be ok at 1080p upscaled, like WTF when people are more than willing to keep paying stupid prices for stupid performance then guess what, that's what you get, if a $300 GPU can't game at 1080p in 2025 without trickery and fake frames, rendering at 540p which was a thing back in 2002.... then you need to stop fucking paying stupid prices for GPU's that will, $700 for a fully capable 1080p GPU in 2025 is fucking foolish, no wonder NV is rubbing their hand in glee knowing the cash cow will keep on rolling, apparently people can't hold on to HW for more than a year or 2 these days and have to have all the BS features that NV and also AMD/Intel playing catch up are throwing at them, go and watch Idiocracy and you will see PC gamers throwing 1000's on GPU's that don't get the latest and greatest features just a year later, I just can't anymore.

Since you want the discussion, let's have the discussion I guess.

We suggested the 5070ti and that DLSS 4 is great. You then came back with this great theory about how you shouldn't use upscalers on expensive GPUs. But you also suggested that he buys a 9070xt. Since the 9070xt is slower than the 5070ti - he is going to end up using upscalers with the 9070xt. So what the heck are you arguing for?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Since you want the discussion, let's have the discussion I guess.

We suggested the 5070ti and that DLSS 4 is great. You then came back with this great theory about how you shouldn't use upscalers on expensive GPUs. But you also suggested that he buys a 9070xt. Since the 9070xt is slower than the 5070ti - he is going to end up using upscalers with the 9070xt. So what the heck are you arguing for?

I mean if you just break them down

Price 9070XT but that has as much to do with the 5070ti just being better and for 10% more money I am getting the better card 10 out of 10 times. They are also more closely priced in reality than they are msrp vs msrp

If it was 800 vs 1000 I would probably lean 9070XT right now it's $799 vs $899 for that I am picking the Nvidia card every time. There is a gigabyte 5070ti I can get for 825 but I am not touching gigabyte 50 series cards with a 10 foot stick.

Performance Raster/RT 5070 ti

feature support 5070 ti people can deny this all they want but modern engines require upscaling, it sucks but bottom line Nvidia DLSS4 is in way more games and is slightly better than FSR4 and even in games that don't need it often times DLSS4/DLAA looks much better than TAA even at 1080p. If FSR4 was in every game or at least user upgradeable like with games all the way back to 2020 with DLSS2 or newer to DLSS4 I would call this close enough as they both do things I like and dislike.

Driver longevity 5070ti Nvidia supports cards that are much older than AMD does.

Efficiency 5070ti

Had the OP decided to buy the 9070XT would that have been a bad buy I don't think so it's a fine card that performs well and honestly I would not be using PT with the 5070TI given how my 4090 handles it and I also do not like frame generation so that advantage to me is useless but for the price of taking my wife out to dinner or about 100 usd in 2025 I am getting the card that is better at everything every time

seems like the OP decided the same.

If someone likes the 9070XT better that is fine to some 100 usd is a big ask when already spending over 1000 apparently...... I am sure in a few generations when both these companies decide to offer something meaningfully better in this price range over my 4090 I will have the same dilemma I'm not holding my breath but I sincerely hope both companies are offering much better products than these too meh AF ones.

Glad I do not need an upgrade, buying a gpu in 2025 is painful regardless of what color Kool-Aid you prefer....

 

[JustBenching]

I mean if you just break them down

Price 9070XT but that has as much to do with the 5070ti just being better and for 10% more money I am getting the better card 10 out of 10 times. They are also more closely priced in reality than they are msrp vs msrp

If it was 800 vs 1000 I would probably lean 9070XT right now it's $799 vs $899 for that I am picking the Nvidia card every time. There is a gigabyte 5070ti I can get for 825 but I am not touching gigabyte 50 series cards with a 10 foot stick.

Performance Raster/RT 5070 ti

feature support 5070 ti people can deny this all they want but modern engines require upscaling, it sucks but bottom line Nvidia DLSS4 is in way more games and is slightly better than FSR4 and even in games that don't need it often times DLSS4/DLAA looks much better than TAA even at 1080p. If FSR4 was in every game or at least user upgradeable like with games all the way back to 2020 with DLSS2 or newer to DLSS4 I would call this close enough as they both do things I like and dislike.

Driver longevity 5070ti Nvidia supports cards that are much older than AMD does.

Efficiency 5070ti

Had the OP decided to buy the 9070XT would that have been a bad buy I don't think so it's a fine card that performs well and honestly I would not be using PT with the 5070TI given how my 4090 handles it and I also do not like frame generation so that advantage to me is useless but for the price of taking my wife out to dinner or about 100 usd in 2025 I am getting the card that is better at everything every time

seems like the OP decided the same.

If someone likes the 9070XT better that is fine to some 100 usd is a big ask when already spending over 1000 apparently...... I am sure in a few generations when both these companies decide to offer something meaningfully better in this price range over my 4090 I will have the same dilemma I'm not holding my breath but I sincerely hope both companies are offering much better products than these too meh AF ones.

Glad I do not need an upgrade, buying a gpu in 2025 is painful regardless of what color Kool-Aid you prefer....

I checked EU prices before posting that, in shops that actually ship across Europe, the price difference is 8% (749 vs 799), there is no chance in hell im touching the 9070xt for that price. Their raster difference alone, let alone RT + PT is bigger than the difference in the asking price. Currently it's a laughably bad purchase and people suggesting it are completely out of touch. 650 vs 799 and I'm all ears for the 9070xt.

What I find quite telling of the whole situation is this particular gem "4 guys with nvidia gpus". That's their own mindset projecting it into others. This will get me points or even a perma but man, a large number of fans of a particular company are just completely deranged. I was watching some small youtube channels doing reviews of CPUs - they ended up kinda liking the 285k and the comment section was a sight to behold. It was madness. Death threats, intel shill and all that usual nonsense.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I checked EU prices before posting that, in shops that actually ship across Europe, the price difference is 8% (749 vs 799), there is no chance in hell im touching the 9070xt for that price. Their raster difference alone, let alone RT + PT is bigger than the difference in the asking price. Currently it's a laughably bad purchase and people suggesting it are completely out of touch. 650 vs 799 and I'm all ears for the 9070xt.

If someone primarily games on Linux I hear AMD is better on that but I have 0 interest in Linux so that doesn't apply to me I also can't corroborate it.

Msrp vs msrp these cards are a toss up though which I would lean 9070XT what's fake msrp again 599 vs 749 if I'm being honest they are both meh even at that price just not vs the 2025 gpu market lol.

 

[JustBenching]

If someone primarily games on Linux I hear AMD is better on that but I have 0 interest in Linux so that doesn't apply to me I also can't corroborate it.

Msrp vs msrp these cards are a toss up though which I would lean 9070XT what's fake msrp again 599 vs 749 if I'm being honest they are both meh even at that price just not vs the 2025 gpu market lol.

Ngreedia has been treating us well in EU - prices for the trio of entry level cards (5060, 5060ti , 5070) hit MSRP very quickly. Now of course MSRP is high so that's not really a great place to be but at least they delivered what they promised.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Ngreedia has been treating us well in EU - prices for the trio of entry level cards (5060, 5060ti , 5070) hit MSRP very quickly. Now of course MSRP is high so that's not really a great place to be but at least they delivered what the promised.

Yeah none of those cards are good at msrp so to me that isn't a win but for 2025 gpu market it's whatever.

I got a 5060ti 8G at msrp $379 it was the only card I could get at msrp from a seller I use 320-330 for the 5060 8G and $489 for the 5060ti 16G it's for an esports gamer that doesn't use RT so overkill I am still not a fan 3rd 50 series build I'm doing this year I really wanted to do one with the 9060XT but they didn't want it unfortunately.

Same with the two cards this thread is about I dont like them but if somebody put a gun to my head and said I had to buy a gpu in 2025 for myself it would be one of them.

 

[TheDeeGee]

Unless you need CUDA, stick with AMD.

Been using NVDIA for 15 years now, but the past months made me do a 180 for my future upgrade.

 

[Vayra86]

Will the market get saturated though? Doesn’t feel like that’ll happen anytime soon. Especially considering that in order to saturate the market the vendors would need to produce more GPUs and, consequently, AIBs more cards. And when faced the choice between producing more AI accelerators or consumer cards NV and to a lesser extent AMD obviously keep choosing the former. There’s only so much fab allocation to go around, after all. I pretty much gave up on modern graphics intensive gaming at this point - it’s a fools game, you pay top dollar for the hardware required to run piss poor software. Miss me with that shit, honestly, might as well dig into the backlog and/or replay old classics. Smaller games run fine too.

I believe it will. If the performance per gen stalls, there's just nothing on offer for most at some point, so demand will go down, but supply will be present.

Its already happening, as a matter of fact, because all stores have stock now.

Prospective buyers always have a far too short horizon. Its natural. But its not rational. Every GPU gen sees poor availability near its launch and months after. And it gradually improves until the next gen comes round. I agree Ada > Blackwell has been a pretty shitty transition. But AMD had cards available at that time, too, except it was RDNA3. Now they'll have cards available called a 9070XT.

During all this time of 'poor market'... GPUs were still for sale.

 

[Why_Me]

Luv these threads ^^

 

[Rover4444]

I use a 6700 XT. It's been... underwhelming. RDNA3 is essentially the same stuff on steroids and RDNA4 is "if you're very lucky you might even get value similar to that of nVidia GPUs."

I have absolutely no idea what is great about red GPUs. They don't achieve anything worthwhile.

VRAM? I run out of calculating power five gigabytes before VRAM becomes a concern FWIW.

The 6700XT was a great card and has held up well the past few years. Maybe you have different priorities.

DLSS 4 is great and all but it also didn't exist back then.

Please no, make it stop.

I'm STARVING for good price/perf GPUs I can't help it

Dig at me really? 4 guys with NV GPU's and I'm at fault? ok buddy

He literally posted about 9070/5070 and the difference was $200 keep paying that tax sheeple

% over MSRP is higher for the AMD cards vs NVIDIA.

 

[Macro Device]

The 6700XT was a great card and has held up well the past few years. Maybe you have different priorities.

I repeat, it was never great. RT? Forget about it. Upscaling? What nVidia had going for DLSS four years ago is leagues better than FSR 2 and 3 combined. Performance in titles more recent than this GPU? Pisspoor. Fine wine effect? Quite the opposite, this GPU falls off way faster than nVidia counterparts. I literally am stuck with games from pre-Ada era if I want both AAA and playable framerate. Wish I waited and bought a 3080 instead. That, at least, can make use of more than 6 GB VRAM.

 

[Denver]

The definition of insanity? Recommending someone spend $200 more on a product that might be inferior or, at best, a bit faster than the 9070XT—depending on what you play. Is the "feature" this time around driver bugs or hardware defects? LoL

 

[Rover4444]

I repeat, it was never great. RT? Forget about it. Upscaling? What nVidia had going for DLSS four years ago is leagues better than FSR 2 and 3 combined. Performance in titles more recent than this GPU? Pisspoor. Fine wine effect? Quite the opposite, this GPU falls off way faster than nVidia counterparts. I literally am stuck with games from pre-Ada era if I want both AAA and playable framerate. Wish I waited and bought a 3080 instead. That, at least, can make use of more than 6 GB VRAM.

So yeah your priorities are different. Nobody buys an AMD GPU for the upscaling or RT performance. You should have known that going in, that's on you. If you want 3080 performance and features then buy a 3080, the 6700 XT isn't anywhere near that class of card.

The definition of insanity? Recommending someone spend $200 more on a product that might be inferior or, at best, a bit faster than the 9070XT—depending on what you play. Is the "feature" this time around driver bugs or hardware defects? LoL

Honestly I think the long term support will be better for the Blackwell cards, I'm afraid of what UDNA will do to RDNA support in the future. The 5070 Ti also has better raytracing and compute so it will hold it's value better over time.

 

[JustBenching]

The definition of insanity? Recommending someone spend $200 more on a product that might be inferior or, at best, a bit faster than the 9070XT—depending on what you play. Is the "feature" this time around driver bugs or hardware defects? LoL

Its more like 60 euros, not 200.

 

[Solaris17]

Guys, thanks for all the info.

Ive got the Palit GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Gaming Pro NE7507T019T2-GB2031A US$ 1206
And a 5700X3D(replacing 5700X)....ill leave AM4 to AM6 or maybe AM7.

I'm an ATI fan since the start. My first Nvidia card and that may be the last one.

PS. I only have a full HD monitor....

Congrats on the card, hope it works well for you.