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ASUS Radeon RX 9060 XT Prime OC 16 GB

LMAO, even if it does cost $100 for an assembled card (it doesn't), who's paying for the years of driver updates? Research and development of the next product? Engineering, testing and development for the new features? Assuming absolutely ZERO issues with the production line too.

You people seem to think you're owed a product at-cost, because I always see this flawed argument thrown around.

While I do think the margins are probably decent they aren't that good. You have to add the cost of shipping/importing, the AIBs cut, the distributors cut, the retailers cut.

So even if BOM was 100 usd you'd be looking at an over 200 usd product by the time you can actually purchase it.
 
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They can sell the dies for $3500 and then create a cloud gaming ecosystem, so you pay-per-game. :D
Do GeForce NOW and Xbox Cloud Gaming ring any bell to you?
 
Do GeForce NOW and Xbox Cloud Gaming ring any bell to you?

If the customers are unhappy because of steep prices, and the suppliers are unhappy because of "low prices", we have double dissatisfaction and the whole exercise is not worth it.
Either vote with your wallet and don't buy DOA "GPUs", or just exit the market and stop this torture for both sides. It's simple.
 
If the customers are unhappy because of steep prices, and the suppliers are unhappy because of "low prices", we have double dissatisfaction and the whole exercise is not worth it.
Either vote with your wallet and don't buy DOA "GPUs", or just exit the market and stop this torture for both sides. It's simple.
This 3080 TI is going to last forever.
 
LMAO, even if it does cost $100 for an assembled card (it doesn't), who's paying for the years of driver updates? Research and development of the next product? Engineering, testing and development for the new features? Assuming absolutely ZERO issues with the production line too.

You people seem to think you're owed a product at-cost, because I always see this flawed argument thrown around.
Yep. It’s not just the price of materials, but someone needs to assemble the card as well. While a GPU isn’t as vast and complex as an automobile, it’s not hard to imagine why a new car costs way more than the sum value of its parts.
 
If you use a wafer yield calculator, you will see that one Navi 44 costs around 80$ from the factory. If you add 20$ for all else - the PCB, VRAM, components, you see that from 100$ to the asking price of 360$ there is an extremely steep profit margin.


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You're failing to understand and take into account the margin resellers and retailers have to make, to say nothing of taxes and tariffs. Do you want to try your math again?
 
I can't forget something which I didn't even know its existence :p

Really, haven't ever heard of Luna here in Brazil

Strange that! I haven't heard of Luna either and I'm a double-time regular prime customer. It seems Amazons marketing slipped into stealth mode and no one remembered to switch it back. To be fair, i usually don't bother with Ads 99.9% of the time - the 0.01% is probably some fit bird which deserves a quick second glance.
 
Lithuania 444€ - 508$ ...
GV-R77XTGAMING OC-12GD 418€
RX-77TSWFTFP 426€
7700XT still selling
 
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Inflation is down, oil is down, shipping costs are down, so why are GPU's still so damn expensive and with fake prices? Salaries worldwide are only up 15% since 2023 till now, while oil, gas and inflation are down. Shipping costs are going down, raw materials are at least staying in place and not going up, so I don't get it why GPU's are still so overexpesnive. Historically the 5060 would have been a xx50 class product, something that cost $200 or less, 5060ti or 9060xt would be xx60 class product that usually sold for $250 to $300 and the uplift over the previous generation was usually higher, the 60 class product would equal or be very close to the previous gen high end product.
 
Inflation is down, oil is down, shipping costs are down, so why are GPU's still so damn expensive and with fake prices? Salaries worldwide are only up 15% since 2023 till now, while oil, gas and inflation are down. Shipping costs are going down, raw materials are at least staying in place and not going up, so I don't get it why GPU's are still so overexpesnive. Historically the 5060 would have been a xx50 class product, something that cost $200 or less, 5060ti or 9060xt would be xx60 class product that usually sold for $250 to $300 and the uplift over the previous generation was usually higher, the 60 class product would equal or be very close to the previous gen high end product.

There's a lot of reasons

#1 selling the same silicon to the AI/professional market is substantially more profitable I'm not talking about a 5060/9060XT specifically I'm talking about the actual materials.

#2 only 1 source of cutting edge silicon TSMC which also is price gouging due to no competition.

#3 these companies are not our friends it is in their best interest to make every $ possible and if you worked at one of these companies at a senior position and thought otherwise you'd be terminated.

#4 The majority of sub 500 usd cards are sold to the prebuilt/SI market where the average consumer is clueless and sees higher number equals more better.

#5 No real competition Nvidia owns more than 90% of the market and AMD is more than happy to just copy them just slightly worse.
 
There's a lot of reasons

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#3 these companies are not our friends it is in their best interest to make every $ possible and if you worked at one of these companies at a senior position and thought otherwise you'd be terminated.
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That one there is where most people fail when looking at how companies behave, whether they are buying from them or working for them.

Take "Unlimited paid time off" as an example - a supposed "perk". Sounded great when the concept first came out. Today, studies have shown that the result of giving that to salaried employees is that average PTO usage declines substantially, like by 10%. This ofc is a function of human behavior, but how / why does not matter. It happens, and it saves them money.

It also removes a financial safety net from employees and a liability from the employer - if you accumulate paid time off over time, that is legally considered unpaid wages if you are laid off. So if you have saved up 2 weeks, 3 weeks, 6 weeks of time off and lose your job - you get paid that in addition to any severance. Unlimited time off policies eliminate the need for paying that out on a layoff. Literally speaking, an employer switching to unlimited time off can potentially remove tens of millions off the liabilities column of their balance sheet and get more hours of work out of their employees in the future. It's a win for the company, a big lose for employees.

This is just one example, but the lesson here is to never 'trust' corporations. *Especially* when they appear to be doing something altruistic and nice. When they appear to be that way, it just means they are particularly good at misdirection and deception.
 
#5 No real competition Nvidia owns more than 90% of the market and AMD is more than happy to just copy them just slightly worse.
So what else can AMD do different than Nvidia? I seen so many complaints when AMD didn't have the same features, now it's complaints that AMD is just copying Nvidia when they improve on features.
IMO, game graphical quality had already hit a peak well before the marketing team at Nvidia decided to sell RT as the next best thing ever, to continually sell consumers another new GPU because their old one won't run the latest title with RT on. And now we have games forcing RT, but after 6 years of having RT hardware you still need upscaling as a crutch to run said games unless you have deep enough pockets to buy the flagship card. AMD has tried cutting prices on their cards, or selling at a loss which doesn't work. Or making features hardware agnostic which didn't work either.
 
So what else can AMD do different than Nvidia? I seen so many complaints when AMD didn't have the same features, now it's complaints that AMD is just copying Nvidia when they improve on features.
IMO, game graphical quality had already hit a peak well before the marketing team at Nvidia decided to sell RT as the next best thing ever, to continually sell consumers another new GPU because their old one won't run the latest title with RT on. And now we have games forcing RT, but after 6 years of having RT hardware you still need upscaling as a crutch to run said games unless you have deep enough pockets to buy the flagship card. AMD has tried cutting prices on their cards, or selling at a loss which doesn't work. Or making features hardware agnostic which didn't work either.

I'm not so sure financially they can their gaming revenue which includes both consoles and Handhelds was pretty dismal the last few quarters and even in their best quarters is pretty low with their CPU division the star of the show it's the reverse of the early 2010s when Bulldozer was horrible and the 7000/200 series did pretty well at least well enough to keep them in the 30-40% DGPU marketshare.

If they can do RDNA4 but slightly better each generation going forward offer new features like FSR4 every generation with large increases in quality in a half decade they will likely get back to their 30-40% marketshare they had in 2014 assuming Nvidia stays on it's current trajectory and doesn't have a change of heart and start releasing actually good products.

Amd doesn't need to convince red Kool-aid drinkers to buy their gpus they need to convert Nvidia owners by making good enough products for them to be ok switching, slightly worse at a discount isn't going to cut it. They did it with people who only bought Intel cpus me included the last Intel PC I bought to be used as a primary pc was 7 years ago I've felt no reason to go back even though Intel also needs to do better to compete or else we will still be stuck with 500 usd 8 cores for another half decade.

I've actually purchased more AMD hardware than any other hardware maker over the last 10 years just only 2 gpus vs 10 Nvidia ones and those two were just to test drivers/features becuase I recommend their gpus from time to time and there's nothing worse than recommending somthing and people have issues with it.

A couple amd fanboys were so vocal that FSR2 was better on amd cards that I bought a 6700XT to test it as well, it's not.

It took them multiple generations of bad decisions to get to where they are now and even in 2025 when Nvidia left them a football field sized door to come out with much more compelling products they kinda just copied their game plan instead.

Just to be clear when I say no competition I mean the whole stack, time to market, sales, si/laptop relationships, all round performance vs your competiton, consistently each generation.

Even if AMD became the King of the diy market they'd still be getting murdered.

9000 series, only competes with half the stack all models shipped after their Nvidia competiton with the top two cards getting delayed so amd could come up with a better fake msrp, prices a lot closer to competing cards due to fake msrps in some regions for me last I checkd it was $799 for the 9070XT vs $825 for the 5070ti. Similar downsides to Blackwell which is they're not much better than ADA especially the super cards.

7000 series, The 7800XT not a bad card but came 5 months after the 4070 12G, 7900XT 900 usd msrp at launch made it a laughing stock, not learning their lesson with the 7900XT and releasing 7700XT at a dumb msrp, you can't act like a market leader when you are so far behind.

6000 series, I'll give them a mulligan but if all cards were MSRP Nvidia would have destroyed them in sales they probably did anyways.

5000 series, major driver issues came late after turning was overshadowed by the super series cards

500 series, a refresh that only competed with low end products not a bad generation though

400 series, same as 500 series just not a refresh

Vega, late and not very impressive

Fury, late and not very impressive.

Both were interesting from a technology perspective but they just weren't very good vs older products on the market at launch.

That's just my observation though there are more reasons Nvidia has no competition but very inconsistent and late to market competitors is the primary one. When you're that far behind you can't even offer similar products they need to be better if all AMD did was release Intel like cpu's they wouldn't have turned things around people who buy Intel would still be buying intel some still are but I have my doubts if Intel can't turn things around that will last much longer, just like we need AMD to give Nvidia real competition we need Intel to do the same because we all win if all 3 companies are releasing good products.

Can AMD compete in the DGPU market I think so look at how much they tuned around general RT/upscaling IQ in one generation and even though it's not financially viable it would have been awesome to see a larger version of it in the 500mm2 range to give 6900XT/6950XTX owners a real upgrade who are likely some of the most devote amd fans instead they are buying overpriced 9070XT a win is a win I guess...
 
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Inflation is down, oil is down, ..., so why are GPU's still so damn expensive and with fake prices?
Because inflation is not universal in all industries and all regions. Some industries are more affected than others. Food prices(doubled in the last 3 years), car prices(increased by 60% in the last 2 years), clothing prices(increased by 50% in the last 2 years) for example.
shipping costs are down
BTW, this part? Moose muffins! My shipping costs have gone up 40% over the last 3 years.
 
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Prices in Greece. Nvidia seems to be doing a better job here.

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.....let's try a different price checker for the 9060....
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.....better......
 
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