Reviewers Bemused by Restrictive Sampling of RX 9060 XT 8 GB Cards

[Dr. Dro]

nvidia is making far more on these cards than you think they are .
the estimated volume of rtx 4090s that have been sold worldwide is between 100-160K units overall ...
whereas rtx 4060s sold in millions and they are much cheaper to make ... it is not hard to figure out where the real money and real profits are ...

Source? Try at least 5 million RTX 4090 cards as a baseline, you have no idea. It's probably more.

People buying low margin products have never been profit drivers. This is why market segments exist.

 

[dark_globe]

Source? Try at least 5 million RTX 4090 cards as a baseline, you have no idea. It's probably more.

People buying low margin products have never been profit drivers. This is why market segments exist.

source for your 5 million figure ?
since nvidia is not going on public record in terms of their sales figures it is very hard to make a correct estimation .

but than again 4060s still sold in much higher volumes regardless .
high end products are rarely the main source of profit for a company and thats where you are wrong ...
companies make bulk of their profits on mid tier products - and those products are not "low margin" you are only imagining them to be .

 

[Dr. Dro]

Demonstratively false. As someone else summed from Steam survey, all the mid and high end Nvidia cards only account for 20%, all the rest is low end. Also, do the math on GPU sizes between low end and high end cards. High end cards are so rare in reality we might dismiss them altogether.

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As for the steam stats:
4090 is at 0.90% at #28th place.
3090 is at 0.48% at #49th place.
5090 does not even appear in the list.

Only 3070 appears on the TOP10. No other 70, 80 or 90 class card is in the TOP10.

2070, 2070S, 2080, 2080S and 2080 Ti combined are only 2,55%. This is less than any of the top 7 cards individually. Not exactly 50% of the market.
3070 variants, 3080 variants and 3090 combined fare better at 7,51% combined.
4070 variants, 4080 variants and 4090 combined are at 9,79% combined.
5070 variants and 5080 combined are only at 1,5% combined.

Combining all these percentages for the 20, 30, 40 and 50 series cards results at 21,35%.

Sorry but there's a critical mistake here, you're assuming everyone who buys a 90 tier card is using it for gaming. The AI market is huge. Creators as well. Many of these won't go through a Steam survey.

source for your 5 million figure ?
since nvidia is not going on public record in terms of their sales figures it is very hard to make a correct estimation .

but than again 4060s still sold in much higher volumes regardless .
high end products are rarely the main source of profit for a company and thats where you are wrong ...
companies make bulk of their profits on mid tier products

Not allowed to post it, which is why I won't hold it against you or demand a "just trust me bro."

But I know for a fact even the 7900 XTX sold several times that 160k figure, as did the RTX 4080, known for being the worst value per dollar card of the previous generation. The market has a mind blowing proportion, you have no idea.

 

[Bwaze]

Could we know for a fact too? No? There isn't a single source available for such figures, and I believe also revenue from Gaming sector doesn't support millions of high end cards sold.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Could we know for a fact too? No? There isn't a single source available for such figures, and I believe also revenue from Gaming sector doesn't support millions of high end cards sold.

You would be wrong on two of those points, but as I'm not willing to dox myself, such proof can not be rendered. Just for the record, NVidia has thus far made over 2million 5090/5080 dies. The vast majority of them have sold through to customers. They have made even more 5070 dies, most of those have sold through as well. It's a big world with 8.5 billion people on it. Just throwing it out there..

 

[Bwaze]

You would be wrong on two of those points, but as I'm not willing to dox myself, such proof can not be rendered. Just for the record, NVidia has thus far made over 2million 5090/5080 dies. The vast majority of them have sold through to customers. They have made even more 5070 dies, most of those have sold through as well. It's a big world with 8.5 billion people on it. Just throwing it out there..

And people claiming some insider knowledge are a dime a dozen. I can claim I make a gazillion GPU cores at home per day, from turnips.

 

[lexluthermiester]

And people claiming some insider knowledge are a dime a dozen.

It's not insider knowledge. But you go ahead and keep spouting your silly nonsense, and we'll keep laughing at you.

 

[Bwaze]

It's not insider knowledge. But you go ahead and keep spouting your silly nonsense, and we'll keep laughing at you.

Look, it just doesn't add up. Nvidia earned 3.8 billion dollars in Q1 in "Gaming and AI PC" And that's with sales of previous Ada Lovelace cards (which especially lower end still sell) and newly released lower end cards which all the available data agrees are selling in much higher numbers. Steam survey. Mindfactory GPU sales. Everyone says so. If Nvidia really sold 2 million RTX 5080 and RTX 5090 cards in Q1, that alone would cover most of the "Gaming and AI PC" revenue, leaving all the rest... Giving them up for free?

 

[freeagent]

If millions have been sold, then they live in clusters, because the people they were made for do not have them.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Look, it just doesn't add up. Nvidia earned 3.8 billion dollars in Q1 in "Gaming and AI PC" And that's with sales of previous Ada Lovelace cards (which especially lower end still sell) and newly released lower end cards which all the available data agrees are selling in much higher numbers. Steam survey. Mindfactory GPU sales. Everyone says so. If Nvidia really sold 2 million RTX 5080 and RTX 5090 cards in Q1, that alone would cover most of the "Gaming and AI PC" revenue, leaving all the rest... Giving them up for free?

All your statement proves is that you are not a part of the distribution chain and don't completely realize/understand how it works. The margins involved at each stage of distribution take a chunk of the earnings. The numbers align perfectly.

If millions have been sold, then they live in clusters, because the people they were made for do not have them.

There's some of that going on, true.

 

[Bwaze]

All your statement proves is that you are not a part of the distribution chain and don't completely realize/understand how it works. The margins involved at each stage of distribution take a chunk of the earnings. The numbers align perfectly.

And neither are you, until you provide some proof, which you are unwilling / unable to. "Trust me bro" just isn't gonna cut it. That Nvidia takes the lion's share of revenue by AIBs was quite well described by EVGA when they exited the Nvidia AIB GPU market.

 

[the54thvoid]

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