Advice for first build

[Ruru]

Hey thanks. Prices in Amazon MX include taxes and shipping unless statted, so not to worry abou that. I can run the Win 11 inactivated for the time being (or endessly ?) right?

Both the Ryzen 5 7600 and 7500F are more expensive than 7600x due to being on discount for now.

Yeah watched the video and clearly heard to avoid the Asus Prime MOBO, rip ...

How about this one:
AsRock B650m Pro X3D for $3,607 MXN
Ryzen 5 7600x $3,985 MXN
$7,592 MXN (plus $761 to the overall budget)
Yes still in range.

Sounds like a plan.

 

[_roman_]

Personally, not a fan of 6core CPUs but you cannot deny that they win in terms of value.

Compiler wise was the previous ryzen 5800x a bit slower as my current ryzen 7600x. i compare am4 high end 8 core vs am5 entry 6 core processor

gaming wise the ryzen 7600x is now faster. in may 2023 with the first am5 mainbaord they were nearly equal.

cores are not all parameters to evaluate a processor

avoid the Asus Prime MOBO

Too many firmware bugs. When you use only windows 11 pro my previous ASUS prime x670-p mainboard is totally fine. I used that mainboard since may 2023 until yesterday. I would not recommend that asus mainboard if you intend to use the gnu userspace with the linux kernel. 100% only windows 11 pro system is totally fine. The DRAM clocked very nice and very high. Delayed or no UEFI updates are another topic. I doubt many will care. I do care for security

 

[AleXXX666]

Hi guys. Thanks again for all the input on the subject. I have a revised list made paying more attention to the speeds of the RAM and NVME. Ditched the extra HDD and the contact frame for LGA1700. Also, forgot to add the peripherals on the previous list but here they are:

Thermalright Peerles Assassin 120 SE $639 MXN $34 US
TeamGroup TCreate Expert DDR5 6000Mhz CL30 32 Kit (2x16) $2,604 MXN $138 US
ADATA XPG Gammix S70 Blade 7400/6800 r/w $1,723 MXN $91 US
Seasonic Core V2 650W 80 Plus Gold ATX 3.0 $2,385 MXN $126 US
Lian Li A3 mATX $2,058 MXN $109 US
Asus Prime RTX 5070 12 Gb $12,790 $674 US
Arctic F12 PWM Case fans x5 230-1,350 Rpm $580 MXN $31 US

Monitor Acer Nitro KG1 27' QHD 180 Hz Panel IPS $4,292 MXN $226 US
Terport TR95 Tecaldo mecanico español 88 keys $699 MXN $37 US
Mouse Razer DeathAdder Essential $399 MXN $21 US

Toal $28,169 MXN $1,487 US
Have a budget of ~$35,000 MXN $1,843 US for the whole build, and this parts so far leaves me with $6,831 MXN or $359 US for the CPU and MOBO.

The one i had:
Intel i5 14400 $3,477 MXN $184 US - somewhat "slow" in SC performance; old "alder" lake cores and memory controller.
AsRock B760m Pro RS White DDR5 $2,899 $153 US
$6,376 MXN, $337 US

Suggested:
AMD Ryzen 5 7600x $3,985 MXN $210 US - good enough.
Asus Prime B650M-A-II-CMS $2,920 MXN $154 US
$6,905 MXN $364 US
Absolutely in range

Intel i7 12700k $5,183 MXN $272 US - pretty fast, but at the same time could be stupidly HOT. And, same old "alder" lake cores and memory controller.
+ same AsRock MOBO $2,899 MXN $153 US
$8,082 MXN $ 425 US
Plus $1,251 MXN achievable.

Intel i5 14600k $5,344 MXN $281 US - pretty ~on par with i7-12700K performance both SC/MC, but less hot & faster OFFICIAL RAM speed - real "raptor" lake cores. I have this one and can confirm you ZERO "Intel 14gen gate" troubles - I run it in Intel OFFICIAL TDP limits, not stupidly unlimited by MB!
+ same AsRock MOBO $2,899 MXN $153 US
$8,243 MXN $434 US
Plus $1,412 MXN still achievable

Ryzen 7 7700x $6,255 MXN $330 US - a bit on expensive side, barely needed for GAMES ONLY (don't "invest" in "future", upgrade when you WILL need it REALLY.)
+ same Asus Prime MOBO $2,920 MXN $154 US
$9,175 MXN $484 US
Plus $2,344 MXN ... tight, would it really be that good ?

Intel Ultra 7 265k $7,417 MXN $391 US - overprice.
Asus Prime B860M-K $2,971 MXN $157 US
$10,388 MXN $548 US
Plus $3,557 MXN
It is just too much.

Sorry took that long to answer. Thanks again for your time.

Compiler wise was the previous ryzen 5800x a bit slower as my current ryzen 7600x. i compare am4 high end 8 core vs am5 entry 6 core processor

gaming wise the ryzen 7600x is now faster. in may 2023 with the first am5 mainbaord they were nearly equal.

cores are not all parameters to evaluate a processor



Too many firmware bugs. When you use only windows 11 pro my previous ASUS prime x670-p mainboard is totally fine. I used that mainboard since may 2023 until yesterday. I would not recommend that asus mainboard if you intend to use the gnu userspace with the linux kernel. 100% only windows 11 pro system is totally fine. The DRAM clocked very nice and very high. Delayed or no UEFI updates are another topic. I doubt many will care. I do care for security

LMFAO X670 is not THAT old, what are there with bios (oh, sorry, uefi lol) updates? Zero issues with ASUS boards updates path long story... the only SHITsus board was Z490-P in more recent "500-series" chipsets era. But I needed and prayed for 11-gen cpu support there, ONLY. Zero troubles here as it's AMD.

 

[Bobaganoosh]

Hi guys. Thanks again for all the input on the subject. I have a revised list made paying more attention to the speeds of the RAM and NVME. Ditched the extra HDD and the contact frame for LGA1700. Also, forgot to add the peripherals on the previous list but here they are:

Thermalright Peerles Assassin 120 SE $639 MXN $34 US
TeamGroup TCreate Expert DDR5 6000Mhz CL30 32 Kit (2x16) $2,604 MXN $138 US
ADATA XPG Gammix S70 Blade 7400/6800 r/w $1,723 MXN $91 US
Seasonic Core V2 650W 80 Plus Gold ATX 3.0 $2,385 MXN $126 US
Lian Li A3 mATX $2,058 MXN $109 US
Asus Prime RTX 5070 12 Gb $12,790 $674 US
Arctic F12 PWM Case fans x5 230-1,350 Rpm $580 MXN $31 US

Monitor Acer Nitro KG1 27' QHD 180 Hz Panel IPS $4,292 MXN $226 US
Terport TR95 Tecaldo mecanico español 88 keys $699 MXN $37 US
Mouse Razer DeathAdder Essential $399 MXN $21 US

Toal $28,169 MXN $1,487 US
Have a budget of ~$35,000 MXN $1,843 US for the whole build, and this parts so far leaves me with $6,831 MXN or $359 US for the CPU and MOBO.

The one i had:
Intel i5 14400 $3,477 MXN $184 US
AsRock B760m Pro RS White DDR5 $2,899 $153 US
$6,376 MXN, $337 US

Suggested:
AMD Ryzen 5 7600x $3,985 MXN $210 US
Asus Prime B650M-A-II-CMS $2,920 MXN $154 US
$6,905 MXN $364 US
Absolutely in range

Intel i7 12700k $5,183 MXN $272 US
+ same AsRock MOBO $2,899 MXN $153 US
$8,082 MXN $ 425 US
Plus $1,251 MXN achievable.

Intel i5 14600k $5,344 MXN $281 US
+ same AsRock MOBO $2,899 MXN $153 US
$8,243 MXN $434 US
Plus $1,412 MXN still achievable

Ryzen 7 7700x $6,255 MXN $330 US
+ same Asus Prime MOBO $2,920 MXN $154 US
$9,175 MXN $484 US
Plus $2,344 MXN ... tight, would it really be that good ?

Intel Ultra 7 265k $7,417 MXN $391 US
Asus Prime B860M-K $2,971 MXN $157 US
$10,388 MXN $548 US
Plus $3,557 MXN
It is just too much.

Sorry took that long to answer. Thanks again for your time.

Looking at the prices you listed, I'd go with the 14600k. 7700X is a little worse in gaming for more money. It's a little more efficient (at load, not at idle as far as I know), but not enough to really effect anything in my opinion.

The only thing I'd be concerned about on the rest of your list is the power supply. I don't brand-shop as much as model-shop based on reviews and for your system I'd be trying to get into a 750-850W range. Some power supplies that I like better than that on the cheaper side are (not in particular order):
be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 750W/850W,
FSP Group Hydro PTM PRO 750W/850W,
SeaSonic CORE GX ATX 3 (2024) 850W,
Corsair RM750x or RM850x (Shift or regular depending on case and availability),

I was trying to give a few options there to look for, as I'm not sure what price/availability are for you.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I'd probably go with the 7600X all these cpu will perform similarly at 1440p in gaming but AM5 gives you the option to upgrade to a 9000X3D or Hopefully a Zen6 X3D and 9000X3D is already faster than everything else available at gaming down the road. Lga 1851 is only getting a refresh and LGA 1700/AM4 are dead besides possible refreshes.

On the gpu side they both have pros and cons

5070
Pros
Much better DLSS game support
Generally better RT performance
Cons
12GB is the bare minimum for 1440p gaming in 2025 how much this will be a problem in future games is debatable but I wouldn't buy it thinking it was going to last more than a generation without reducing texture quality and other settings.

9070
Pros
Adequate vram for this segment
Generally a bit faster
Cons
AMD is very slow with game support with some of their features and will they properly support this card once they switch to UDNA remains to be seen.

I would not buy a 12GB card in 2025 but I'm also not a fan of the 9070 so to me you could almost flip a coin both have Pros and cons that cancel each other out in my book at least.

The only other thing I would say is 100% don't skimp on the psu a good atx 3.0/3.1 could last you a decade.

Beyond that it just comes to your specific needs if you do go AM5 make sure you get 6000CL30 memory although in my personal experience Arrow Lake specifically the 285k is not very good at gaming with memory below 6000 either so I'd recommend decent memory if you're able to source a 265k at a decent price as well.

 

[Bobaganoosh]

I'd probably go with the 7600X all these cpu will perform similarly at 1440p in gaming but AM5 gives you the option to upgrade to a 9000X3D or Hopefully a Zen6 X3D and 9000X3D is already faster than everything else available at gaming down the road. Lga 1851 is only getting a refresh and LGA 1700/AM4 are dead besides possible refreshes.

I think this point is often overblown. If they start with 7600X and then go to 9800X3D later, are they going to get more gaming performance? Not with a 5070...so then they'd want to upgrade that...which they could...but then they may or may not be getting beyond whatever PSU they have...at which point you're already upgrading CPU, GPU, PSU, and if it's been a few years, could be hard to justify staying with the motherboard/memory they have. I know some people upgrade every 1-2 years, but other than those people, how often do most folks upgrade their CPU on the same platform? If OP was going with the absolute cheapest CPU possible to get up and running with an intentional plan to upgrade the CPU in a few months or a year...absolutely...but it sounded like OP wanted to get what they needed now to play their games, not just a temporary solution, so that fits with what most people would build a PC for and that falls in line with a "what is the best bang/buck you can buy right now?" advice.

A theoretical scenario that would justify this would be "ok, budget is limited right now, but I need something today. I'm going to buy entry-level CPU on the most future-proof motherboard possible, low-to-mid-range GPU, and a fairly high-end PSU...then next year I'm going to buy just a new CPU and GPU so that it can drop into what I already have and sell what I bought used to recoup as much money as possible". I have seen people do that, and it definitely is a viable plan for getting up and running while trying to also save up for more powerful hardware, but it's not a path I see people take very often.

So TLDR: I don't disagree with this point of view entirely, but it's quite often used to justify buying lesser hardware now to upgrade to something better later even if that plan doesn't help you now or later. In certain situations, it can be the best move, but it depends on budgets and future-planning.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I think this point is often overblown. If they start with 7600X and then go to 9800X3D later, are they going to get more gaming performance? Not with a 5070...so then they'd want to upgrade that...which they could...but then they may or may not be getting beyond whatever PSU they have...at which point you're already upgrading CPU, GPU, PSU, and if it's been a few years, could be hard to justify staying with the motherboard/memory they have. I know some people upgrade every 1-2 years, but other than those people, how often do most folks upgrade their CPU on the same platform? If OP was going with the absolute cheapest CPU possible to get up and running with an intentional plan to upgrade the CPU in a few months or a year...absolutely...but it sounded like OP wanted to get what they needed now to play their games, not just a temporary solution, so that fits with what most people would build a PC for and that falls in line with a "what is the best bang/buck you can buy right now?" advice.

So TLDR: I don't disagree with this point of view entirely, but it's quite often used to justify buying lesser hardware now to upgrade to something better later even if that plan doesn't help you now or later. In certain situations, it can be the best move, but it depends on budgets and future-planning.

Yes, everyone places different value on upgrade path and that is ok it's why I clearly explained why I'd probably go with the 7600X it's up to the op to decide what options best fits his needs not a public forum we can all give our opinions and he can decide what best fits his needs now if I had just said the 7600X is best dont buy anything else with zero context sure.

Some people put too much weight on MT performance even though they only game, some people only like blue Kool-aid some Red it is what it is.

14400 best option if you want to spend the least amount of money

7600X best option if you want an upgrade path

265K best option if you want to make a bet developers will figure out making games more wide on the cpu especially the render thread. Not holding my breath

I wouldn't over spend on lga 1700 but if OP can find a good deal on lga 1851 sure it's not the worse although I've only had hands on with the 285k and was unimpressed with gaming but that was in March maybe it's improved since then the customer doesn't game I built it for so can't get an update on that been great for premier pro though.

The only actual buying advice I gave him was on the psu and not to skimp on it regardless of what he gets it can follow him to multiple builds regardless if he changes the whole platform down the line or not as you pointed out get the right one now with some headroom and it's one less thing to worry about down the line.

 

[Bobaganoosh]

Yes, everyone places different value on upgrade path and that is ok it's why I clearly explained why I'd probably go with the 7600X...

Sorry if I came off as combative, not my intention. I tried to clearly indicate that your point was certainly not invalid, but I think it all depends on budget and how much upgrading they plan to do (or want to do) in the future with the same parts.

I agree 1851 only makes sense if the price is right and I'm pretty sure 285k is never going to meet that requirement. In the US, the 265k can be a great deal sometimes, but for OP, it did not seem that way lol.

We're on the same page, I just wanted to give OP more to think about on that topic as I don't think it's quite as cut and dry or one-sided as I've seen people make that topic out to be (you were not bad on that). Also, most of the time I end up recommending AM5 builds to people, but the prices OP listed for parts available to them made me shift directions. I don't have any loyalty to tech brands. I buy what best fits my needs at the time of purchase.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Sorry if I came off as combative, not my intention. I tried to clearly indicate that your point was certainly not invalid, but I think it all depends on budget and how much upgrading they plan to do (or want to do) in the future with the same parts.

I agree 1851 only makes sense if the price is right and I'm pretty sure 285k is never going to meet that requirement. In the US, the 265k can be a great deal sometimes, but for OP, it did not seem that way lol.

We're on the same page, I just wanted to give OP more to think about on that topic as I don't think it's quite as cut and dry or one-sided as I've seen people make that topic out to be (you were not bad on that). Also, most of the time I end up recommending AM5 builds to people, but the prices OP listed for parts available to them made me shift directions. I don't have any loyalty to tech brands. I buy what best fits my needs at the time of purchase.

Not at all, I honestly just used your post to give even more context to what I was saying while giving more input on what I thought about what seemed like the 3 most logical options from each platform that make the most sense for the OP.

My only hope is that the OP does not skimp on the psu trying to get a cpu that's more expensive but performs about the same in gaming all the options besides am4 have merit at the right price.

 

[ARF]

Cons
AMD is very slow with game support with some of their features and will they properly support this card once they switch to UDNA remains to be seen.

No one knows when it will be.
With Radeon RX 9070 XT they are still using the very old 5 nm process, actually the very same process used in Radeon RX 7900 XTX (year 2022).
Today's phones use 2 nm and 3 nm processes which are significantly improved.

This actually sounds like a "great plan"... oh wait, maybe it's not a "plan", but that how much they are able to perform.
1. Release a unpolished turd.
2. Waste your time, instead of fixing the screaming issues.
3. Sometime in the distant future release another unpolished turd.
4. Forget about the first unpolished turd.
5. Wonder why you have no sales, and your market share is under 10%

 

[dgianstefani]

No one knows when it will be.
With Radeon RX 9070 XT they are still using the very old 5 nm process, actually the very same process used in Radeon RX 7900 XTX (year 2022).
Today's phones use 2 nm and 3 nm processes which are significantly improved.

This actually sounds like a "great plan"... oh wait, maybe it's not a "plan", but that how much they are able to perform.
1. Release a unpolished turd.
2. Waste your time, instead of fixing the screaming issues.
3. Sometime in the distant future release another unpolished turd.
4. Forget about the first unpolished turd.
5. Wonder why you have no sales, and your market share is under 10%

9070XT is 4 nm.
Blackwell is same 5 nm process as Ada.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

9070XT is 4 nm.
Blackwell is same 5 nm process as Ada.

They are both listed as N4P which is just a improved version of 5nm afaik

While Blackwell is listed as N4P it could still be on the same N4 that Ada used I guess.

No one knows when it will be.
With Radeon RX 9070 XT they are still using the very old 5 nm process, actually the very same process used in Radeon RX 7900 XTX (year 2022).
Today's phones use 2 nm and 3 nm processes which are significantly improved.

This actually sounds like a "great plan"... oh wait, maybe it's not a "plan", but that how much they are able to perform.
1. Release a unpolished turd.
2. Waste your time, instead of fixing the screaming issues.
3. Sometime in the distant future release another unpolished turd.
4. Forget about the first unpolished turd.
5. Wonder why you have no sales, and your market share is under 10%

While it is the same 5nm process node it's N5 vs N4P which isn't the same.

I'm also not sure how your comment relates to my CON of the 9070, UDNA is likely coming late next year or early 2027, Just like whatever replaces Blackwell and regardless of if it's good or not or what process it uses is irrelevant in 2025 on top of that Nvidia a multi trillion dollar company used the same/similar 5nm based node as RDNA4.....

https://pr.tsmc.com/english/news/2874

Sorry OP for getting the thread sidetracked you've got some good options lol.

 

[pequod]

Hey guys, really appreciate all your comments and time. Like I said, have very little knowledge about pc world and every opinion is welcome and helps as a learning process.
To be honest, dont really have a plan in terms of upgrading. Right now im thinking in using this build for the years to come, until it becomes obsolete in actual terms, as in "cant run the game i want at decent fps even with the lowest settings". By then, like Bobaganoosh suggested, most certainly ill be looking for a new sytem alltogether.
I realize the importance of a good PSU and im looking for better options available.
Thanks again everyone.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Hey guys, really appreciate all your comments and time. Like I said, have very little knowledge about pc world and every opinion is welcome and helps as a learning process.
To be honest, dont really have a plan in terms of upgrading. Right now im thinking in using this build for the years to come, until it becomes obsolete in actual terms, as in "cant run the game i want at decent fps even with the lowest settings". By then, like Bobaganoosh suggested, most certainly ill be looking for a new sytem alltogether.
I realize the importance of a good PSU and im looking for better options available.
Thanks again everyone.

Regardless of what option you go with you are probably looking at 2 years after the PS6/Nextbox when engines start using them as the base specification which could even be longer so 2029/30 would be my guess before you can't at least average 60 anyways and that is assuming they don't phone it in when it comes to hardware. The Zen4 CPU and Arrowlake might give you slightly more longevity over the 14400 but not much would be my guess unless you are an esport gamer and want to hit 200+ fps then I would ditch all these options and get something better,

It will be interesting how CDPR is changing UE5 to take better advantage of the CPU but I have my doubts even a 12 thread cpu will be overwhelmed but that's likely another 2-3 years before we see a shipping product use their optimizations.

I think the 12GB on the 5070 will run out of gas before any of these cpu's will. I guess in 2-3 years we will see.

 

[dgianstefani]

They are both listed as N4P which is just a improved version of 5nm afaik

While Blackwell is listed as N4P it could still be on the same N4 that Ada used I guess.



While it is the same 5nm process node it's N5 vs N4P which isn't the same.

I'm also not sure how your comment relates to my CON of the 9070, UDNA is likely coming late next year or early 2027, Just like whatever replaces Blackwell and regardless of if it's good or not or what process it uses is irrelevant in 2025 on top of that Nvidia a multi trillion dollar company used the same/similar 5nm based node as RDNA4.....

https://pr.tsmc.com/english/news/2874

Sorry OP for getting the thread sidetracked you've got some good options lol.

No. Blackwell is "4N" which is NVIDIA's custom N5. RDNA 4 is N4P.

RDNA 4 has a node advantage.

This is why they're around the same efficiency despite Blackwell being a superior architecture.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

No. Blackwell is "4N" which is NVIDIA's custom N5. RDNA 4 is N4P.

RDNA 4 has a node advantage.

This is why they're around the same efficiency despite Blackwell being a superior architecture.

Make sense ... I guess only the AI chips from Nvidia got N4P.

Can't find any information on how they compare other than N4P is 6% better than N4.

Still 5nm according to TSMC

https://pr.tsmc.com/english/news/2874