Windows 10 Vs 11, Which one to choose?

[lexluthermiester]

I think Windows 7 was when they started stripping cruft out of the kernel wasn't it?

I don't remember. Maybe? Maybe SP1..

NOTHING will make Vista worth it.

Clearly you never used Vista SP2. The SP2 version was delightful. In credit to microsoft, fixed up everything with SP2.

Everyone hated Vista

I didn't, but I'm crazy like that. I'm one of those people that loved WinME and knows(still) how make it run right. But I digress...

I suppose the denial of reality in your reply can be only explained by the fact that you're still salty about that other thread and you argue on autopilot. Oh, well

Are you done being a troll?

 

[Kwadratowicz]

After carefull consideration I will try linux, cause windows 11 is crap, windows 10 is ok, but still not ideal, so I will go and check how bad/good is Linux (Games that I play are gold or platinum on proton db, and software is ok). If windows only 10 but without bloat. (In work we were using windows 7 till 2024, and it was ok for work with antivirus).
About vista I agree with lexluthermiester after updates it was ok system, even for me windows 8 was ok after updates, gui was stupid, but system ok.

 

[Athlonite]

I don't understand why all the hate for Windows 11 I've have had no problems with it the only thing I find a prick to uninstall is Edge so it's a rename a reboot and a delete now it's gone it's easy peazy to debloat not that there's is much bloat if you're using Pro or Enterprise

 

[Code3]

Windows 11 Enterprise Ltsc

 

[Kwadratowicz]

I'm using windows 11 ltsc, and it is not as snappy as win 10. (it's subiective, but for me it is unbearable. )

 

[_roman_]

#129

The windows 11 pro hate?

~A week ago a refuribsh laptop had a defective speaker. Searching to bypass the microsoft online account. Several reboots. Than speaker dead.

~Just got the replcement laptop. This time i disabled WLAN, WAN, Ethernet. The windows 11 pro installer greets me with you need to provide a Network Driver first to complete the setup.

Everytime I have to complete 90% of the setup assistant and I have to wait for reboots. And Wait - and Wait.

W 11 pro - no support For English United Kingdom during install.

-- Yesterday I downloaded and installed the udpate package again for my desktop computer. The windows 11 pro update package for windows 11 pro needs an active internet connection. Else it will not isntall. 3 or 4 update packages in a row. An offline pacakge does not install.

Broken black and white mode

broken amd gpu driver

Broken usb support - no usb mouse during cold boots and warm boots a few days ago.


pcgh has every ~two weeks average one bad windows 11 news.

-- The user interface is bad. The setting dialog is bad. The file browser is bad. No driver with the windows installation. No software with the windows installation. Bad backgrounds. Bad color theme. Changed user interface. ... to name only a few of the things which are worse.
several reboots for an update - my default bootloader points to something else - up to 4 reboots for a single update - slow update mechanism for offline package installer

one install or one uninstall runtime can run at once

no shipped older directx - try to install mount and blade and you will see.

microsoft online account / bitlocker

outdated ntfs file system / vfat for boot


setup dialog asks for - i did that now two times in a few days with windows 11 pro = refurbish license and install from refurbish company.

tradcking information / find my device / send diagonstic data = can not be refused / pen support = who needs that / 2nd time diagonstic data / advertise data / endless wait time on nvme

copilot in the task bar. untidy desktop

useless lint files in teh startmenu
teams
office 365 but no office
store
to do
one drive
xbox
sticky notes
game bar
copilot
feedback hub

the need for a calculator is questionable
the need for notepad which is bad is questionable

clock item belongs to settings and not startmenu
accessiblity belongs to settings and nto startmenu


-- very slow bootup time in comparison with other operating system. very bloated.

After carefull consideration I will try linux, cause windows 11 is crap, windows 10 is ok, but still not ideal, so I will go and check how bad/good is Linux

there is no linux - only the kernel. which is in embedded linux, kernel of the android smartphone or the customised kernel for many distributions.

pay attention: gentoo linux is not nearly the same as arch linux not nearly the same as ubuntu = mint not the same as slackware

Hint: a package manager has a purpose. chosing another distro because someone is unable to change the user interface or desktop background is not very smart.

just because many are too stupid to read kernel.org does not change facts

 

[Kwadratowicz]

I've just scratched this topic _roman_ and now new info I see, that i don't understand about . ahh, finally something new (for me) to try to understand ^^ (I really don't understand the difference between kernel and operating system, but I will try to learn it , thanks for pointing it out ).

 

[maur0]

using w11 21h2 22000.3260 that I customized myself, I even made an ISO ready for anyone who wants it
removed defender
removed edge
removed cpu mitigations
added firefox
added visual c++ all runtimes
I found this version a little faster than 24h2 less RAM and VRAM consumption
If anyone wants to test it, I'll leave the links in my signature. The details are in pt-br, but you can install the language of your choice after installing the system.

 

[Athlonite]

I found this version a little faster than 24h2 less RAM and VRAM consumption

How Ram does it use at desktop idle, 24H2 only uses 4.5GB on my system with Vivaldi open 1 tab open to here

 

[maur0]

How Ram does it use at desktop idle, 24H2 only uses 4.5GB on my system with Vivaldi open 1 tab open to here

21h2 using 1.1gb ram

vs windows 11 24h2, all windows using the same resources, same services using 1.4gb of ram

 

[cinemaware]

A few days ago I took the plunge and installed Win 11. Some comments:

-I was lazy enough not to physically remove my other NVMs (no way to disable them in BIOS) and ended up with the new install forcing a dual boot with my old Win10. Oops.

-I think I downloaded my Win 11 iso on the same day or shortly before their announcing that old method would be blocked. Nevertheless, I was using latest Rufus to install it on
pendrive, and it had option to use this trick (probably too early for them to implement the new one?). I ticked it and it has worked just fine.

-the Win 11 itself just seems so...pointless? The only major change seems changing the Start menu. I didn't really have much time to play around with it, especially testing games (see my sad GPU snafu story) but it’s all pretty much business as usual. The OS performance was quite the same as 10, maybe a bit memory taken up (8GB vs 7GB on Win 10).

-the one big reason I wanted to try it is that on my Win 10 setup, trying to run both Asus Pro Art monitor as main and my LG C2 TV as secondary at the same time results in an unworkable nightmare. I thought maybe this was fixed in 11, but nah - same rubbish.

Overall I'm glad I tried it, at least now I know what's what, and have a ready install in case I need to switch over or just as a backup (I will continue with my Win 10 as daily because I’m too lazy to migrate everything). But, if you're on Win 10 and don't worry about "security" all that much, there’s probably very little reason to switch.

 

[lexluthermiester]

-I was lazy enough not to physically remove my other NVMs (no way to disable them in BIOS) and ended up with the new install forcing a dual boot with my old Win10. Oops.

Yup, you'll need to reinstall if you remove any of them. So take them out and reinstall now. It's an annoyance, but you'll have to do it sooner or later so you might as well do it now.

-the Win 11 itself just seems so...pointless? The only major change seems changing the Start menu.

There are a number of GUI changes throughout the OS.

-the one big reason I wanted to try it is that on my Win 10 setup, trying to run both Asus Pro Art monitor as main and my LG C2 TV as secondary at the same time results in an unworkable nightmare. I thought maybe this was fixed in 11, but nah - same rubbish.

This is interesting. If you share more about your issue, we might be able to help you figure it out.

 

[KLiKzg]

W10 LTSC buy while you can

Sure, it can be bought...but it usually needs a reinstall of Windows10.
It can still be bought from some stores! (can't give here info - against the rules; but I got it for less then 5€...PM for exchange of info)

Anybody else got some work-around?

 

[Krit]

i Know it's an Old topic and a lot of thing on windows 11 get there hands on windows 10 too, and the windows 11 is less buggy since the launch,

i have i5 13400 and as you know it's P/E Core intel CPU and in terms of this windows 11 thread scheduler they work better than windows 10, but is it really noticeable?

i watched a lot of Youtube Vid but i want to know the real answer.

Windows 10 is better it will be intersting to see where Windows 12 lands.

XP good
Vista bad
Windows 7 good
Windows 8 bad
Windows 10 good
Windows 11 bad
Windows 12 ???

I don't understand why all the hate for Windows 11 I've have had no problems with it

Desktop response time is crap Windows 10 is snappier. It has that Zen/Zen+ latency feeling to it maybe not so bad but still.

 

[AleXXX666]

Windows 10 is better it will be intersting to see where Windows 12 lands.

XP good - try to run it on same hardware, where 95/98/ME was "good"
Vista bad - the one tries to run on same hardware where XP was "good"
Windows 7 good - on appropriate hardware, try to use it on same hardware, where XP was "good"
Windows 8 bad - the "bad" thing is that it uses "tablet" UI concept on desktops; sys req added "The CPU must support the Physical Address Extension (PAE), NX bit, and SSE2 instruction sets and at least two cores." - basically, same unneeded for everyday life crap like TPM for Win11 nowadays.
Windows 10 good - refined UI. But, again, try to run it on same hardware, where for example Win 7 was "good"
Windows 11 bad - UI made with new code, which again requires better than for previous versions hardware, plus some stupid "enhancements" like can't move taskbar (sometimes useful!), shortened context menu (requires registry modding to "restore" "old", normal one), etc.
Windows 12 ??? - maybe some subscription bullshit.... but, who knows.


Desktop response time is crap Windows 10 is snappier. It has that Zen/Zen+ latency feeling to it maybe not so bad but still. - agree with that, though, depends on average Joe's CPU and SSD mostly.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Windows 10 is better

No, it isn't.

XP good
Vista bad
Windows 7 good
Windows 8 bad
Windows 10 good
Windows 11 bad
Windows 12 ???

Here's my version;
XP Good after SP1
Vista Good after SP1
Windows 7 Best Windows version ever
Windows 8 steaming poo
Windows 8.1 dried out poo
Windows 10 polished poo
Windows 11 Good after tweaks and debloating.

Windows 12 doesn't exist yet, even in alpha.

 

[Krit]

No, it isn't.

After four years and still latency issue is not fixed. It's by far the biggest flaw when OS does not feel smooth at least to me where Ryzen 5700X or Ryzen 7700 feels faster on Windows 10 with Gen 4 nvme ssd. It's clearly OS fault no CPU fault.

Other than desktop responsiveness i cannot see the difference between w10 and w11.

 

[lexluthermiester]

After four years and still latency issue is not fixed.

Can't argue something that one can't replicate. You are nit-picking as a form of ego response. Stop doing that.

 

[avidgamer121]

After four years and still latency issue is not fixed. It's by far the biggest flaw when OS does not feel smooth at least to me where Ryzen 5700X or Ryzen 7700 feels faster on Windows 10 with Gen 4 nvme ssd. It's clearly OS fault no CPU fault.

Other than desktop responsiveness i cannot see the difference between w10 and w11.

same here it feels laggy, everytime i gave it a chance it disappointed me like that

 

[lexluthermiester]

same here it feels laggy, everytime i gave it a chance it disappointed me like that

Then you're doing something wrong. No such experience here, even when the bog-standard default install is used. And I'm using Win11 on laptops from 2011 and 2012. Whatever latency you two are talking about is not being experienced by most.

 

[freeagent]

11 is nice and snappy for me, no latency issues.. nothing. Smooth sailing. Also stock, not debloated.

 

[budget_Optiplex]

Just my personal experience, but on the relic in my specs, regular Windows 11 Pro felt sluggish and clunky even with extensive tweaking (I have been tweaking Windows for 30+ years), Windows 11 LTSC was better but still kinda sluggish here and there (especially file manager operations), and I am now experimenting with Windows Server 2025 configured as a desktop which runs fantastic and maybe will be my replacement for an extensively tweaked and stripped version of Windows 10 LTSC I built using various utilities a few years back. I'm quite enjoying the Windows 11ish user interface and my Adguard Home "box" I use to block ads/etc at my access point is showing that Server 2025 is very "quiet" and doesn't phone home hardly at all. Keep in mind I don't care about the store or any modern apps, and my PC is used strictly for web browsing with Waterfox and Brave and gaming.....nothing else. I'm going to test this for a few weeks and see if I still feel the same way then lol.

 

[cvaldes]

Generally speaking I prefer to stay one release behind. So right now I am running W11 23H2 on my systems at home (except one); 23H2 is pretty stable. I will probably consider upgrading another to 24H2 in a few months when the release of 25H2 becomes imminent. When 24H2 came out, it was notedly unstable and I expect 25H2 to maintain Microsoft's illustrious track record of dumpster fire debuts.

Note that I do the same thing on my Macs. They're one release behind. I upgraded to macOS Sonoma in June of last year, about nine months after it released in September 2023. I'm still on the fence about upgrading to Sequoia (launched in September 2024). Sequoia is only getting bug fixes and security patches these days and is reputedly pretty stable here in June 2025.

No one is holding a gun at your head saying you must run Microsoft's latest release.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Just my personal experience, but on the relic in my specs, regular Windows 11 Pro felt sluggish and clunky even with extensive tweaking (I have been tweaking Windows for 30+ years)

Sluggish and clunky?!? On a Xeon 2643V3 and GTX960?

This makes me wonder what all these people are doing wrong to make that kind of thing happen. It's not the default way Windows 11 runs. Windows 11 has it's issues, sluggish and clunky aren't included in that list.

Generally speaking I prefer to stay one release behind. So right now I am running W11 23H2 on my systems at home (except one); 23H2 is pretty stable.

Quite a few people do that.

 

[mclaren85]

Am I the only one bothered by the typo error in the title?
Ps. Absolutely no offence just observation