Windows 10 Vs 11, Which one to choose?

[lexluthermiester]

Am I the only one bothered by the typo error in the title?
Ps. Absolutely no offence just observation

I generally don't let things like that bother me mostly because English is used slightly differently in different places in the world. For example your use of the word "offence". In most places is spelled "offense", but not everywhere. Same thing with the word "defense" which is spelled "defence" in some places. Those are small, unimportant things. It's easier to just let it go..

 

[AleXXX666]

After four years and still latency issue is not fixed. It's by far the biggest flaw when OS does not feel smooth at least to me where Ryzen 5700X or Ryzen 7700 feels faster on Windows 10 with Gen 4 nvme ssd. It's clearly OS fault no CPU fault.

Other than desktop responsiveness i cannot see the difference between w10 and w11.

Windows 11 even "latest most bloated" 24H2 feels SUPER SNAP on gen3 SSD with either Ryzen 7600X or Core i5-14600K. CLOCK and overall cores IPC MATTERS EVERYTIME, my friend, and RAM speeds (though I mean "midrange" like 3000-3200 for DDR4 and 5200-6000 for DDR5). You can put it even on crappy SATA SSD and get the same "feeling". Instead of 5700X try 5800X, instead of 7700 try 7700X version. "auto turbo" is OK, but "constant higher clock" is whole different ball game. Back days I have had i5-10400 which I later changed to 10600K and "windows 10 UI responsiveness feeling" was clearly on 10600K side.

Am I the only one bothered by the typo error in the title?
Ps. Absolutely no offence just observation

yep stupid typo, weird.

 

[Chrispy_]

same here it feels laggy, everytime i gave it a chance it disappointed me like that

What's your internet speed and ISP DNS latency like?
Win11 phones home a lot more than Win10, if you have slow internet rather than no internet it can run like a dog. So many functions in Win11 now involve web lookups. I agree with most people here that an unmolested, clean install of Windows11 is perfectly snappy as long as your internet doesn't suck.

Unplug/disconnect your internet and see if the sluggishness goes away. If it is that then you need to focus on making your account more "local", so use a local account rather than a Microsoft account, make sure you're not syncing your user profile to OneDrive, disable Connected User Experiences and Telemetry, Turn off safesearch and online lookups like the web searches using Bing from the search bar and Windows Defender's Smartscreen feature, to name just a few things that make a Win11 system run like crap on slow internet.

 

[avidgamer121]

What's your internet speed and ISP DNS latency like?
Win11 phones home a lot more than Win10, if you have slow internet rather than no internet it can run like a dog. So many functions in Win11 now involve web lookups. I agree with most people here that an unmolested, clean install of Windows11 is perfectly snappy as long as your internet doesn't suck.

Unplug/disconnect your internet and see if the sluggishness goes away. If it is then you need to focus on making your account more "local", so use a local account rather than a Microsoft account, make sure you're not syncing your user profile to OneDrive, disable Connected User Experiences and Telemetry, Turn off safesearch, and online lookups like the Web searches from the search bar and Windows Defender's Smartscreen feature, to name just a few things that make a Win11 system run like crap on slow internet.

recently got upgraded to 1gbps and ping is decent too (usually 3ms on speedtest) so i don't think that's the issue, especially considering i use a local account anyway. Windows 11 is fine overall just opening folders in file explorer feels slightly delayed.

 

[Krit]

overall just opening folders in file explorer feels slightly delayed.

That's why i'm sitting on w10 tried w11 for more than a year twice but still come back to w10

Difference is in milliseconds if you feel it then you feel it.

 

[Chrispy_]

Windows 11 is fine overall just opening folders in file explorer feels slightly delayed.

Check your folder view settings. Things like folder icons with previews and the details pane have always slowed down explorer a little bit, and 11 adds more Also, if you have a bunch of shell extensions installed so that your right-click has a bunch of extra options, some of these can add delay.

Even so, explorer is pretty snappy on this W11 machine using those view settings, it was a clean build about 18 months ago using a pretty minimal answer file that made no serious changes other than to strip out the preinstalled bloatware/adware, default start menu pins/suggestions and give me back my right-click menu in explorer.

Generate autounattend.xml files for Windows 10/11

The only thing I know that slows down Windows 11's explorer responsiveness if a system is offline is a dying SSD or one that is so full it's down to the last few kilobytes of free space - at which point it's not really an Explorer issue.

Windows 11 behaves, for the most part, like Windows 10 - because, uh....

 

[Krit]

Instead of 5700X try 5800X, instead of 7700 try 7700X version. "auto turbo" is OK, but "constant higher clock" is whole different ball game. Back days I have had i5-10400 which I later changed to 10600K and "windows 10 UI responsiveness feeling" was clearly on 10600K side.

Not the case for me because my undervolted RYZEN 7 7700 already is at the same speed as stock RYZEN 7 7700X and ram runs at tight timings 6000Mhz CL30 or faster than EXPO profile SSD is NM790 2TB

CPU-Z Benchmark for AMD Ryzen 7 7700 (1T) - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

Best CPU performance - 64-bit - June 2025

valid.x86.fr

 

[9087125]

Just because 10 is EOL doesn't mean it's unsafe, that is propaganda parroted by armchair experts who have zero data to support their views. You can easily protect yourself with a good paid for AV, a good firewall, and a combination of commonsense which involves staying on the right sites, having good backups, knowing how to spot malware, botnets etc, doing risky stuff in sandboxes or just airgapped. Much of the net has built in security already. I will be using 10 for at least another decade. Nowadays you are the product in windows, search engines, ebay, amazon, the whole nine yards, and so they make sure the net is safe for their sheep. School up on privacy, security, etc and you will be doing yourself a great favor. Don't listen to the endless shills in bigtech culture who dont provide rigor for their claims.

Next, there really is no such thing as bloat, bloat means to many services running that slows down the system. But both 10 & 11 are stone cold run like a well oiled machines. Uninstalling crap isn't removing bloat, it just stops a bit of spyware and annoying crap. 11 might be pushing it now with copilot however, but only on old systems. 10 is ridiculous! It runs so amazing even on old hardware and even after having alot of stuff ripped out. When someone says 10 is buggy or worse than 11 (apart from gaming and driver issues in productivity), ask them for rigorous evidence for their claims. I have been testing 10 for over 7 years on dozens of machines, many spanning much of the time, involving enormous cost and time to deal with the M$ pricks, and 10 runs very well. 11 by comparison is very similar. These armchair experts who say you will break windows if you tweak it and then make a humiliating false analogy have zero experience, when you tweak windows you don't break it, instead, some functionality gets impaired which means you get caught between a rock and a hard place. MS knows this of course and they love it.

The next misunderstanding is scripts. Scripts are rather benign and don't do anywhere near as much as some claim. The point im making is people love to brag how they have done so much progress, but it really isn't much. Your just turning off a few things and uninstalling a few apps that MS don't want you too do directly.
By a heavily de-bloated and scripted windows, I mean turning off all the BS stupid nagging things, ripping out stuff that has no business being there like spyware browsers, nagware, and just making in like 7 in almost every way. Bring back old apps and rearranging things. Why is this hard? because windows has become the most convoluted software in the entire universe-and heavily controlled. You delete a random left over Onedrive folder in programdata and then your MKV video thumbnails are suddenly showing a red tick overlay. Its insane. Because these issues take a very long time to fix. I have experienced literally hundreds of these issues. You tweak one thing, then something else seemingly unrelated changes. Its crazy. And you absolutley cannot rely on anyone, especially not MS, all you can do is experiment your self.

Both 10 & 11 are absolute garbage when it comes to spying on you, treating you like a product, being extremely inefficient out of the box due to illogical layout and features. Both "run like dog shit", what do I mean by that? Well everything you do, like mouse clicks, scroll bars, manipulating images in a folder etc is lacking precision, refinement, and efficiency compared to windows of the past. Meaning I have to work harder when doing heavy productivity, like error corrections. It's like a complex high performance gearbox that just doesn't change gears smoothly, or a knife that is blunt. MS have gimped explorer in 3-4 major subtle but crucial ways from years of bleaching that have stuffed windows. This can be verified of course by a direct comparison to older windows machines. When you try to remove something, you often break functionality, like I removed the spyware edge and no longer could use displayfusion settings. Again, a lot of hard work to get around this and make it the way I want, not the way some big tech firm wants. I will not be a shaved man wearing a grey T-shirt with a serial number across it!

But sorry to say, for an oldschool desktop, 11 is now much much worse than 10 because:
-They have broken too much stuff so there is too much lack of customization, even devs of many software will tell you this;
-Structurally too different, cant install alot of old legacy apps and games. Legacy is absolutley a major part of dekstop for me.
-They have avalanched the whole cloud concept, and its getting to the point you cannot do anything about it.
-They have watered down the aesthetics, making it look like a cross between a phone OS and Linux. You can say 11 is gorgeous yes, but you cannot say it has art, creativity and objective beauty. Saying it looks & feels great, and it being great are two completely different concepts. Sometimes beauty really ins't in the eye of the beholder, somethimes its a product of hard work.
- 11 is on the fast track to being a tool for mass surveillance.

For years we kept laughing at people on Linux, saying its so bad blah blah blah. But now windows has actually gotten so bad that Linux is on the same level. Thats scary. Either way I cannot tolerate 11 for anything other than cooperate use, like gaming, productivity etc. Sure, for that its fine, but for an old school high end dekstop where you have complete control over your mega complex system, Its officially dead, I couldn't make 11 work even if I wanted. It's a majestic work of sophistry. Nasty wicked stuff.

By comparison, I have gotten 10 to an almost identical look and feel to 7 or Vista. You cannot do what I do with 11, not even close, cannot run many old great software and hardware.

And the real tragedy here is that Linux sadly is just awful, its in no way shape or form an alternative to windows. Even my vista machine can run vastly more stuff and gear than any Linux distro. On top of this, more and more software now is going subscription based, this for me is destroying the deskop PC, this is a seperate and in some ways more damaging issue to the downfall of windows.

I will try to ride out 10 for as long as possible, but when it all gets too much thats when its time to focus on other things in life.

 

[Chrispy_]

My only real gripe with 11 is that Microsoft are forcing the end of 10 before 12 is out. For every OS in previous history, you had a choice of Windows versions.

When Windows XP came out, 95R2, 98, Me, 2000 were all still supported.
When Windows 7 came out, both XP and Vista were still supported.
When 10 came out, 7, 8, and 8.1 were all still supported.

We're about to enter a "one version only" era where Microsoft can basically do what it wants and people have no alternative. Even the third-party tools that give back features Microsoft take away are becoming less powerful. Soon it will be "do it the Microsoft way" or "don't use Windows".

 

[R-T-B]

Just because 10 is EOL doesn't mean it's unsafe, that is propaganda parroted by armchair experts who have zero data to support their views.

Yeah, why worry about what the actual experts all agree on? /s

It might not be unsafe immediately, but the longer you go, the more you are playing with fire. That's just the truth.

PS: I am literally employed as a IT security consultant.

 

[Athlonite]

You can easily protect yourself with a good paid for AV, a good firewall

That's just utter bullshit. There's nothing wrong with Windows own security suit same with its Firewall I highly doubt MS is just going to stop updating its virus definitions, the OS itself is another matter and the longer you leave it unupdated the more you're likely to fall victim to a zero day malware or virus

 

[Alyux]

You cannot do what I do with 11, not even close, cannot run many old great software and hardware.

I didn't know it was possible to cram so much BS into one sentence. Your whole post is ragebait I hope, and a hilarious read

 

[Ruru]

I didn't know it was possible to cram so much BS into one sentence. Your whole post is ragebait I hope, and a hilarious read

Hella agree. 10 is old and soon EOL, but it's not obsolote, even though I'm running 11 with all my systems, I don't have that much hate towards 10.

 

[lexluthermiester]

My only real gripe with 11 is that Microsoft are forcing the end of 10 before 12 is out. For every OS in previous history, you had a choice of Windows versions.

When Windows XP came out, 95R2, 98, Me, 2000 were all still supported.
When Windows 7 came out, both XP and Vista were still supported.
When 10 came out, 7, 8, and 8.1 were all still supported.

We're about to enter a "one version only" era where Microsoft can basically do what it wants and people have no alternative. Even the third-party tools that give back features Microsoft take away are becoming less powerful. Soon it will be "do it the Microsoft way" or "don't use Windows".

Excellent points.

 

[theFOoL]

With each version there'll be always a workaround guys

 

[lexluthermiester]

It might not be unsafe immediately, but the longer you go, the more you are playing with fire. That's just the truth.

That's only part of the truth. It's much more complex than that. IF properly configured, one can use XP perfectly safely on the internet. The key point is "proper configuration". Vista and 7 can also be used perfectly safely, Windows 7 especially. This rule applies equally to Windows 8/8.1/10. However, this requires a level of understanding and expertise most people do not have.

 

[Chrispy_]

That's only part of the truth. It's much more complex than that. IF properly configured, one can use XP perfectly safely on the internet. The key point is "proper configuration". Vista and 7 can also be used perfectly safely, Windows 7 especially. This rule applies equally to Windows 8/8.1/10. However, this requires a level of understanding and expertise most people do not have.

The upshot of a fully unsupported OS though is that once the careful configuration is set up correctly and third-party security software replaces Microsoft's stream of mitigations and patches, Microsoft won't override your configuration with an update.

Customisations and Windows Update have always been mortal enemies, each overriding other in a constant back and forth. With Windows Update for Windows 10 post-October no longer being part of the picture, UI and feature changes made by scripts or third party tools should no longer be reverted by Microsoft Feature updates (or feature updates mislabelled as security updates).

It's a silver lining, sure, but better than a kick in the teeth.

 

[R-T-B]

That's only part of the truth. It's much more complex than that. IF properly configured, one can use XP perfectly safely on the internet. The key point is "proper configuration". Vista and 7 can also be used perfectly safely, Windows 7 especially. This rule applies equally to Windows 8/8.1/10. However, this requires a level of understanding and expertise most people do not have.

That's fair I suppose and not strictly false or anything, but my point was really it's still obviously the safest strategy to stick with an in support OS.

Can power users get by with less? Of course, I could probably make an IBM OS/2 install reasonably secure if I wanted to. But it wouldn't be by virtue of the OS... more despite it, having been (In OS/2 and XPs story) abandoned for 10+ years.

Modern security is a moving target and bugs/holes are a little harder to secure on an unpatched OS. That's all I was really saying. Not trying to fearmonger and say its impossible.

 

[lexluthermiester]

it's still obviously the safest strategy to stick with an in support OS.

There is some truth to that, but it's not always. Supported OSes aren't always fixed in a timely manner.

But the general good rule of thumb is to use a supported OS.

 

[R-T-B]

There is some truth to that, but it's not always. Supported OSes aren't always fixed in a timely manner.

But the general good rule of thumb is to use a supported OS.

Fair enough, I can concede that... I remember the early Windows 95 days and such. Heck even early XP wasn't perfect.

 

[freeagent]

Heck even early XP wasn't perfect.

House of cards comes to mind..

 

[R-T-B]

House of cards comes to mind..

I was thinking of the early messenger service spam for those without a firewall... lol. Nothing like a male enhancement ad delivered right to your face in a dialog box.

 

[noel_fs]

w11 24h2 isnt too bad but yeah i would probably recommend going 10

 

[Alyux]

Hella agree. 10 is old and soon EOL, but it's not obsolote, even though I'm running 11 with all my systems, I don't have that much hate towards 10.

The sad thing is that with some very minor surface-level changes, 11 could be just as usable as 10, given they're just clones of each other, 11 given the shittier UI and settings organization. But for myself and quite a few others, 11 is just the last straw and after ltsc goes EOL we're just ditching Windows.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I was thinking of the early messenger service spam for those without a firewall... lol. Nothing like a male enhancement ad delivered right to your face in a dialog box.

Oh man, I'd forgotten about that! Easily solved though, just disable the service and remove the System permissions from the registry to prevent it being turned back on(that was before I knew how to delete a service).

The sad thing is that with some very minor surface-level changes, 11 could be just as usable as 10, given they're just clones of each other, 11 given the shittier UI and settings organization.

Are you joking? The improved nature of the UI and settings is the primary reason I ditched Win10 LTSC for 11. 10 was just an extension of the 8/8.1 mentality. 11 has moved far enough away from that daft lacking thinking to be enjoyable again.