Frametime spikes and stuttering after switching to AMD CPU?

[DAPUNISHER]

it's not the CPU or the GPU - it's some configuration or driver conflict with the board/ram/devices.

If you look around the webs theres people that said on their B550 Aorus Elite V2 if they moved USB ports and only used the 3.0 ports that stuttering went away...

Some are saying disabling fTPM fixed it... etc.

-- So try to disable FTPM from he bios and only use the blue ports and see but other than that sell it to someone who doesn't game.

The last 550 i built with didn't play nice with the guy's 4070 gpu due to some power management thing -- was an actual nightmare, sent everything back and got the 7800x3d lol.

I've had this exact model for years now, it is running a 5800X3D. It has also ran a 5600x and 5800x. Zero problems of any kind, multiple bios updates along the way. It is paired with a Hellhound RX 7800XT and games run silky smooth. The AORUS ELITE line has impressed me with value for the money over the years. I still have the B450 model I bought back in 2018. It runs another trusty old piece of kit, the 3700X at the moment.

When a trobleshooting thread goes this long it's time to take it behind the barn and put it down. Because it's gremlins or bad juju magic

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I've had this exact model for years now, it is running a 5800X3D. It has also ran a 5600x and 5800x. Zero problems of any kind, multiple bios updates along the way. It is paired with a Hellhound RX 7800XT and games run silky smooth. The AORUS ELITE line has impressed me with value for the money over the years. I still have the B450 model I bought back in 2018. It runs another trusty old piece of kit, the 3700X at the moment.

When a trobleshooting thread goes this long it's time to take it behind the barn and put it down. Because it's gremlins or bad juju magic

I think out of all the back and fourth going on in this thread about what CPU are worth buying which is extremely subjective as is, we all at least agree about nuking that shite.

 

[phanbuey]

I've had this exact model for years now, it is running a 5800X3D. It's also ran a 5600x and 5800x. Zero problems of any kind, multiple bios updates along the way. It's paired with a Hellhound RX 7800XT and games run silky smooth. The AORUS ELITE line has impressed me with value for the money over the years. I still have the B450 model I bought back in 2018. It runs another trusty old piece of kit, the 3700X at the moment.

When a trobleshooting thread goes this long it's time to take it behind the barn and put it down. Because it's gremlins or bad juju magic

Agreed


regarding AL -- It's not a good idea to spend double the money for the same or less FPS and better workstation performance.

At the end of the day a tuned RL14600K with vanilla DDR5 6000 will still slap a 200S boosted 265K around in games at 270 (cpu+board) euro vs 500+ for the ARL.

You CAN absolutely OC the crap out of 265K and have it run insansely well - they scale like crazy if you like to tinker. But just with the 200S it's still meh compared to RL.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Agreed


regarding AL -- It's not a good idea to spend double he money for the same or less FPS and better workstation performance.

At the end of the day a tuned RL 14600K will still slap a 200S boosted ARL around.

You CAN absolutely OC the crap out of 265K and have it run insansely well - they scale like crazy if you like to tinker. But just with the 200S it's still meh compared to RL.

I mean if someone can make a compelling build for the 500 or less the OP wants to spend sure but I have seen zero effort by anyone to try to fit a 300+ cpu in a 500 budget.

It will not stutter and that is OP number one complaint lol at least the 285k did not so I assume the whole stack doesn't....

 

[dgianstefani]

Agreed


regarding AL -- It's not a good idea to spend double the money for the same or less FPS and better workstation performance.

At the end of the day a tuned RL 14600K will still slap a 200S boosted 265K around in games.

You CAN absolutely OC the crap out of 265K and have it run insansely well - they scale like crazy if you like to tinker. But just with the 200S it's still meh compared to RL.

I'm getting a bit tired of these vague and general, misleading statements "double the money". If you want to make a point do so, but don't use false information to make it a "stronger" point.

The difference is less than €150 paired with cheapest Z series mobo in Europe. In USA it's even less. I also misspoke earlier, 265K is 8+12 not 6+12, making for even more reason, essentially replacement for 14700K, not 14600K. You can go with cheaper 245K for 6+8, without losing gaming perf.

Note, you do not need Z series mobo, with B series it's still fine, but you can't OC the 14600K or use 200S boost on ARL, so there's a 4% 720p gaming difference with a 5090, using data from Oct 2024, before microcode and firmware updates.

PCPartPicker Part List: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/bt4yDZ

CPU: Intel Core Ultra 7 265KF 3.9 GHz 20-Core Processor (€295.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: ASRock Z890 Pro RS ATX LGA1851 Motherboard (€179.90 @ Alza)
Total: €474.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-06-27 09:20 CEST+0200

PCPartPicker Part List: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/VkBCWt

CPU: Intel Core i5-14600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor (€188.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z790 D ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€150.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €339.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-06-27 09:21 CEST+0200

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I'm getting a bit tired of these vague and general, misleading statements "double the money". If you want to make a point do so, but don't use false information to make it a "stronger" point.

The difference is less than €150 paired with cheapest Z series mobo in Europe. In USA it's even less.

Note, you do not need Z series mobo, with B series it's still fine, but you can't OC the 14600K or use 200S boost on ARL, so there's a 5% gaming difference with a 5090.

PCPartPicker Part List: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/bt4yDZ

CPU: Intel Core Ultra 7 265KF 3.9 GHz 20-Core Processor (€295.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: ASRock Z890 Pro RS ATX LGA1851 Motherboard (€179.90 @ Alza)
Total: €474.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-06-27 09:20 CEST+0200

PCPartPicker Part List: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/VkBCWt

CPU: Intel Core i5-14600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor (€188.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z790 D ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€150.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €339.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-06-27 09:21 CEST+0200

So they work with no DDR5? Would a decent 6000 kit put him well over 500?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I think out of all the back and fourth going on in this thread about what CPU are worth buying which is extremely subjective as is, we all at least agree about nuking that shite.

Long time member on another message board was having this weird issue where the system would restart instead of shutdown. Dude knows his shit, and had already run through all of the usual TS stuff, but nothing worked. So we started trying more and more esoteric stuff, but no joy. He posts back a couple days later that it fixed itself; just started shutting down properly. May as well have dance around it throwing chicken bones and chanting LOL.

 

[dgianstefani]

So they work with no DDR5? Would a decent 6000 kit put hime well over 500?

DDR5 and DDR4 is the same price, look at the most recent news:

DDR4 Module Prices Overtake DDR5 for the First Time

Usually for newer technology rollout, prices are significantly higher compared to the last-gen. However, with DRAM, the story is the opposite. For the first time since the launch of DDR5, buyers are paying more for DDR4 memory modules than for the newer standard. A combination of tariff...

www.techpowerup.com

For some reason I was comparing the "i7" equivalent 265K 8+12 to a 6+8 i5 14600K, with 245K that's another 30 euros saved.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

DDR5 and DDR4 is the same price, look at the most recent news:

DDR4 Module Prices Overtake DDR5 for the First Time

Usually for newer technology rollout, prices are significantly higher compared to the last-gen. However, with DRAM, the story is the opposite. For the first time since the launch of DDR5, buyers are paying more for DDR4 memory modules than for the newer standard. A combination of tariff...

www.techpowerup.com

I get that but you completely left it off the build like He wouldn't need to buy it or are you telling him to go ramless.

 

[dgianstefani]

I get that but you completely left it off the build like He wouldn't need to buy it or are you telling him to go ramless.

You have to buy the RAM for both platforms, and can use the same RAM, so it's irrelevant. The point is to refute Phanbuey's "ARL is twice the price of RPL" comment. Like I said earlier, I'm tired of inaccurate statements being made as fact to push a point. With shit D2D clocks and tested literally 9 months ago, ARL is a whole four percent slower than RPL in games, with a 5090, so I'm also tired of the "RPL runs circles around ARL, which is shit for gaming" argument. It's boring, and wrong.

6+8 ARL vs 6+8 RPL is 30% more expensive with equivalent Z series mobo, not 100% more expensive.

Plus that's in Germany, which has notoriously bad component prices. In many other countries in world they're currently the same price.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

You have to buy the RAM for both platforms, and can use the same RAM, so it's irrelevant. The point is to refute Phanbuey's "ARL is twice the price of RPL" comment. Like I said earlier, I'm tired of inaccurate statements being made as fact to push a point. With shit D2D clocks and tested literally 9 months ago, ARL is a whole four percent slower than RPL in games, with a 5090, so I'm also tired of the "RPL runs circles around ARL, which is shit for gaming" argument. It's boring, and wrong.

6+8 ARL vs 6+8 RPL is 30% more expensive with equivalent Z series mobo, not 100% more expensive.

Plus that's in Germany, which has notoriously bad component prices. In many other countries in world they're currently the same price.

That's my bad I thought you were making an effort to put a build together the OP could consider but I don't think he even wants to spend 500 let alone close to 600.

I agree, prices in germany are meh AF.

 

[dgianstefani]

That's my bad I thought you were making an effort to put a build together the OP could consider but I don't think he even wants to spend 500 let alone close to 600.

I agree, prices in germany are meh AF.

Yeah well, he spent not much money replacing the 11400F build and look how that turned out. I'm not saying you can't build OK computers for super cheap, but more often than not in my experience building "cheap" isn't actually cheap in the long term. He's gonna start wanting to replace his system another three or so years from now when performance starts to lag a bit. Raptor Lake is a 2022 architecture, so at the time of building it's already three years old, in three years time it will be twice the age of Arrow Lake, which has ~10% faster P cores and ~70% faster E cores. Although that's tested with 2024 software, like Zen 5 vs Zen 4, ARL P is a significantly wider core, and much of that isn't really leveraged currently.

The advice to buy a used motherboard for a novice builder interested in a zero hassle experience is also questionable IMO.

Is 350 euros really such a huge saving from ~520 euros that it's worth buying into a three year old platform? Questionable. Will he have "saved" money when he decides to upgrade a year or two earlier due to the choice he will make? Questionable.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yeah well, he spent not much money replacing the 11400F build and look how that turned out. I'm not saying you can't build OK computers for super cheap, but more often than not in my experience building "cheap" isn't actually cheap in the long term. He's gonna start wanting to replace his system another three or so years from now when performance starts to lag a bit. Raptor Lake is a 2022 architecture, so at the time of building it's already three years old, in three years time it will be twice the age of Arrow Lake, which has ~10% faster P cores and ~70% faster E cores.

The advice to buy a used motherboard for a novice builder interested in a zero hassle experience is also questionable IMO.

Is 350 euros really such a huge saving from ~520 euros that it's worth buying into a three year old platform? Questionable. Will he have "saved" money when he decides to upgrade a year or two earlier due to the choice he will make? Questionable.

I don't think Arrow lake will last longer than Raptorlake at gaming I guess in a few generations if W1z still benches them we will see. I think the OP i just got unlucky it happens google any cpu or high end board you will find countless people having issues with every combination of hardware.

Although a Rocketlake board dying and then a messed up Zen3 system is pretty bad luck. So I agree he probably should buy new with his recent luck.

 

[Montelo]

I don't think Arrow lake will last longer than Raptorlake at gaming I guess in a few generations if W1z still benches them we will see. I think the OP is just got unlucky it happens google any cpu or high end board you will find countless people having issues with every combination of hardware.

Although a Rocketlake board dying and then a messed up Zen3 system is pretty bad luck. So I agree he probably should buy new with his recent luck.

yea that was pretty unlucky, that i went from boot problems to stutter problems, but things happen sadly nothing i can do^^.

So i should get a New board instead of a used one?

Im kinda overwhelmed by all the messages here haha

 

[oxrufiioxo]

yea that was pretty unlucky, that i went from boot problems to stutter problems, but things happen sadly nothing i can do^^.

So i should get a New board instead of a used one?

Im kinda overwhelmed by all the messages here haha

At the end of the day watch some videos on all these cpus and look at W1z charts and then decide what's best for you at the end of the day it's your money not sure how warranty service works in Germany but given your recent history having a warranty might be a good idea lol.

 

[dgianstefani]

I don't think Arrow lake will last longer than Raptorlake at gaming I guess in a few generations if W1z still benches them we will see. I think the OP is just unlucky it happens google any cpu or high end board you will find countless people having issues with every combination of hardware.

We will see.
I think a theoretically ~40% faster CPU (10% P and 70% E core improvement for 6+8) than the previous gen will last longer for performance, once most games start to use the more advanced chips. Software always lagging behind, but you can see, even today, CPU heavy games like BeamNG.drive already have significant gaming improvements with ARL vs RPL.

 

[Montelo]

At the end of the day watch some videos on all these cpus and look at W1z charts and then decide what's best for you at the end of the day it's your money not sure how warranty service works in Germany but given your recent history having a warranty might be a good idea lol.

doesnt matter where or what i order i can always send the items back withing 14 days thats the law here in germany

doesnt matter where or what i order i can always send the items back withing 14 days thats the law here in germany

amazon is also better since you can legit send items back within a year or something

 

[dgianstefani]

doesnt matter where or what i order i can always send the items back withing 14 days thats the law here in germany


amazon is also better since you can legit send items back within a year or something

It's one month not one year for Amazon.

Warranty is another matter handled by manufacturer, not Amazon.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

We will see.
I think a theoretically ~40% faster CPU (10% P and 70% E core improvement for 6+8) than the previous gen will last longer for performance, once most games start to use the more advanced chips. Software always lagging behind, but you can see, even today, CPU heavy games like BeamNG.drive already have significant gaming improvements with ARL vs RPL.

There will always be a few games that do well on a specific architecture but I am talking at least 20-30 games where it shows that it's at least the cost difference better so 30% in real world gaming because that is what someone is paying making the bet.

Same with 8GB gpu there is a few games that make them look bad but are we going to sit here and say they are useless lol.

doesnt matter where or what i order i can always send the items back withing 14 days thats the law here in germany

Yeah more talking about long term like here we have 2-3 year warranties on most new products if you are lucky the manufacture might actually honor it... Asus is really bad here in the states but they all sorta suck here unless GN makes a few videos about them and then they act ok for a few months.

 

[Montelo]

It's one month not one year for Amazon.

Warranty is another matter handled by manufacturer, not Amazon.

ive sent items back that i had for 1 year via support that works

 

[oxrufiioxo]

ive sent items back that i had for 1 year via support that works

It can for sure but it's to their discretion and sometimes they don't refund you the whole amount and I doubt they would honor that on a used product.

 

[Montelo]

It can for sure but it's to their discretion and sometimes they don't refund you the whole amount and I doubt they would honor that on a used product.

maybe maybe not, i now tried Resident evil 4 i really think this is a CPU issue or something, because League of legends/cs2 stutters way worse then Resident evil 4 or Silent Hill 2

In silent hill or resident evil 4 i only got microstutters, but in league or cs i can feel my screen freeze for a few milliseconds

I have the small feeling the more cpu heavy the game is the more problems i have

 

[jnv11]

I noticed a problem with the DRAM that is installed. Both DDR4 and DDR5 push their signal integrity to the limits. Therefore, the maximum speed that they can reliably run at drops when you have more than 1 DIMM per channel, especially unbuffered DIMMs or UDIMMs that are used in most consumer systems. Having multiple DIMMs per channel increases their electrical loads and makes electrical signal reflections more of a problem. Maybe you should swap out the 4 UDIMMs of 8 GB of memory with 2 UDIMMs of higher capacities, and install the 2 UDIMMs in the preferred DDR4 slots in order to allow your DDR4 to reliably run at their full speeds.

 

[dgianstefani]

I noticed a problem with the DRAM that is installed. Both DDR4 and DDR5 push their signal integrity to the limits. Therefore, the maximum speed that they can reliably run at drops when you have more than 1 DIMM per channel, especially unbuffered DIMMs or UDIMMs that are used in most consumer systems. Having multiple DIMMs per channel increases their electrical loads and makes electrical signal reflections more of a problem. Maybe you should swap out the 4 UDIMMs of 8 GB of memory with 2 UDIMMs of higher capacities, and install the 2 UDIMMs in the preferred DDR4 slots in order to allow your DDR4 to reliably run at their full speeds.

Not so much to do with DDR signal integrity, but with the CPU memory controller simply not being able to handle four "channels". Signal integrity starts being an issue at very high clocks, or at normal clocks combined with very high capacities (again, a CPU limitation), hence clock driver CKD memory being necessary above around 8000 MT. The vast majority of DDR5 on the market is around 5600/6000 MT and doesn't have signal integrity issues unless the motherboard has extremely poor memory topology/layers.

These are dual channel memory controllers designed to work with two DIMMs, the fact manufacturers managed to get around this by daisy chaining slots simply increases the load on the CPU logic designed to work with the memory.

TLDR it's more of an issue of CPU than of memory or motherboard.

Hence Raptor Lake with better memory controller supporting significantly higher memory speeds on the same motherboards.

(Than Alder Lake).

 

[BestNoob]

Hey, i wonder if someone can help me i got this problem where i get stutters ingame
for example when the game is capped at like 60 it drops to like 50-55 (happens also with uncapped FPS).

I think i have this problem since i switched my Mainboard and CPU like 8 months ago but im not sure, i had a i5 11400f and a MSI B560 Torpedo before.

PC Specs:
Ryzen 5600.
B550 AORUS ELITE V2.
4x8GB Corsair Vengeance 3600 CL18 (1 New and 1 Old Kit).
RTX 3070.
750W PSU Be quiet.

This is what im getting in nearly all Games

https://imgur.com/a/8XQ91qt

What i tried to far:
Tried using only 2 Ram Sticks(both kits tested) since someone suggested me to do that sadly it didnt help.
Updating GPU Drivers / Using older GPU Drivers. (DDU)
Closing all Backround apps like Wallpaper Engine, Discord, Nvidia Overlay.
Updating The Bios
Freshly Install Windows
Turning XMP on and Off

I hope someone can maybe help me im kinda frustrated

Hmm...



latest BIOS is important, but you also have to reset the BIOS and enter it 1x after Windows OS Setup including drivers etc. is finished because some bios only recognize Windows Features etc. when everything is done. Also check settings and enable resizable BAR etc.

Install Gigabyte Control Center and check again for updates
You have to install latest AMD Chipset driver manually https://www.amd.com/en/support/downloads/drivers.html/chipsets/am4/b550.html


For CS2 enable net_graph .... set max FPS to your Monitor refresh rate and use a DP DisplayPort Cable for G-Sync (you have to enable it inside Nvidia Settings)

My system is ... and i have no issues ... i have better performance (+20FPS - more constant) than ever before with trashy INTEL.

• Windows 10
• NVIDIA RTX4060
• AMD Ryzen 5 5600
• B550 Mainboard
• 32GB DDR4 RAM