AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 475 & 470 "Gorgon Point" APUs Surface in Shipping Manifests

[Tyler-98-W68]

For 5 years of development you were happy with that?

Sure I am, what other company made that kind of progress? AMD? Nope

We went from Zen 1 to Zen 4 in the same amount of time
Intel went from 7700k to 12900k

Ok so 7th gen to 12th Gen.......
AMD went 1st to 4th gen

What exactly is your point?

I didn't see intel stagnating on their performance gains????

 

[Panther_Seraphin]

What exactly is your point?

But but but, platform longevity right guys??????? AMD is the best for that (Rebrand after rebrand)

I have been arguing that Intel is FAR more egregious in that regard while also having the cheek to ask you to stump up for a minimum of 3 mothersboard generations AND a new set of RAM while giving you single digit performance increases multiple times from 2nd to 7th gen

Then lets get onto current stuff. You have probably had to buy 2 seperate motherboards between 12th/13th/14th due to the DDR4/5 memory controller in 12th Gen and how expensive DDR5 was at/near launch meaning a good proportion of people ran 12th gen with DDR4 due to lack of benefits initially for the up to 2x price increase to use DDR5.

Then intel decides to release Core Ultra onto another new platform oh and its dead Jim as the Nova lake is supposedly on a new socket again.


AMD if you were willing to pay up initially you may have been able to get away with only 2 motherboards from Intels 7th Gen to current (X370 fo Zen 1 to Zen3 then an B650/X670 for Zen 4 to Zen 6 with a small possibility of Zen 7 on it though I honestly suspect Zen 6 will be the end of the road for AM5)

From 7th to 12th gen would have been what 3 Motherboards at least and another 3 from 12th to current most likely. So to keep up with Intels "demands" you would need 5 motherboards if you were billy big pockets at 12th Gen but most likely 6 to get to today from 7th gen with another replacement on the Horizon for next gen offerings. Let alone the fact there was multiple times where Intels "next gen" flagship offered barely anything as an upgrade for stumping up that extra cash. 3770k > 4770k, 6700k to 7700k 8700k to 9900k if you were gaming, the less said about 10 and 11900k the better.

 

[Tyler-98-W68]

I have been arguing that Intel is FAR more egregious in that regard while also having the cheek to ask you to stump up for a minimum of 3 mothersboard generations AND a new set of RAM while giving you single digit performance increases multiple times from 2nd to 7th gen

Then lets get onto current stuff. You have probably had to buy 2 seperate motherboards between 12th/13th/14th due to the DDR4/5 memory controller in 12th Gen and how expensive DDR5 was at/near launch meaning a good proportion of people ran 12th gen with DDR4 due to lack of benefits initially for the up to 2x price increase to use DDR5.

Then intel decides to release Core Ultra onto another new platform oh and its dead Jim as the Nova lake is supposedly on a new socket again.


AMD if you were willing to pay up initially you may have been able to get away with only 2 motherboards from Intels 7th Gen to current (X370 fo Zen 1 to Zen3 then an B650/X670 for Zen 4 to Zen 6 with a small possibility of Zen 7 on it though I honestly suspect Zen 6 will be the end of the road for AM5)

From 7th to 12th gen would have been what 3 Motherboards at least and another 3 from 12th to current most likely. So to keep up with Intels "demands" you would need 5 motherboards if you were billy big pockets at 12th Gen but most likely 6 to get to today from 7th gen with another replacement on the Horizon for next gen offerings. Let alone the fact there was multiple times where Intels "next gen" flagship offered barely anything as an upgrade for stumping up that extra cash. 3770k > 4770k, 6700k to 7700k 8700k to 9900k if you were gaming, the less said about 10 and 11900k the better.

are you for real? Thinking that someone would go through 6 motherboards to stay current. While I upgrade a lot, I don't usually upgrade every generation, and most people don't.
I don't actually care about having to upgrade to a new motherboard if I'm doing a platform or major upgrade anyways.

Did I need to replace my motherboard to go from 12700K to 14900K, I sure did, did I care? Sure didn't.

Did I need to replace my motherboard to go from a 14900K to a 285K, i sure did, did I care? Sure Didn't.

So using your own trashed logic of 6 motherboards, you would expect its "normal" for someone to upgrade every generation?

Again I upgrade lots, but I don't every generation. I only went from Raptor lake to arrow lake because the game I play a lot of benefited huge from arrow lake (hence the upgrade) but I'm not one to lose my marbles over the fact I have to buy another motherboard.

Oh I also have AMD systems too before you try to label me an intel Shill.

Let alone the fact there was multiple times where Intels "next gen" flagship offered barely anything as an upgrade for stumping up that extra cash. 3770k > 4770k, 6700k to 7700k 8700k to 9900k if you were gaming, the less said about 10 and 11900k the better.

Why did you leave out Broadwell???? They did extra Cache before AMD did, and that CPU is still relevant today as it kept up for generations after it, I still use my 5775c system as a spare and for testing, and fun fact I can game on it at 4K with the GPU's i've tested in it, 5070 5070Ti 4090 and 5090

 

[Panther_Seraphin]

are you for real? Thinking that someone would go through 6 motherboards to stay current. While I upgrade a lot, I don't usually upgrade every generation, and most people don't.
I don't actually care about having to upgrade to a new motherboard if I'm doing a platform or major upgrade anyways.

No I did not expect anyone to do.

You however were like "Oh a rebrand is the worst crime against humanity" and I was pointing out that Intel was just as bad as AMDs "rebrands" but multiple times over. Also lets not forget the time Intel "decided" to lock out Coffee Lake to Z270 boards because it would make them more money to force peolpe to buy a motherboard capable with basically a new BIOS version.

Why did you leave out Broadwell???? They did extra Cache before AMD did, and that CPU is still relevant today as it kept up for generations after it, I still use my 5775c system as a spare and for testing, and fun fact I can game on it at 4K with the GPU's i've tested in it, 5070 5070Ti 4090 and 5090

Because Intel basically did. 2 Months after the 5775c came out they dropped Skylake/6700k. It was barely hyped up/mentioned in the media at the time was basically benchmarking as a 4770/4790k just with an extra cache level/onboard graphics that most things at the time didnt make use of. Now as Resolutions have increased and memory bandwidth is more important sure it has "aged" better than the equivalents but how many people are still on 4th/5th Gen intel as main systems?

 

[JustBenching]

How many rebrands has Intel done for their mobile cpus? They haven't. 12th 13th 14th Core ultra series 1 core ultra series 2, you could argue 12 to 13 and 13-14 was a rebrand but you got additional clock speed, cores and performance, not identical chips reused.

Intel doesnt do rebrands. They respect the customer unlike the king of rebrands that is amd. I mean they changed their entire naming scheme in order to be able to sell you a 5 year old chip as brand new, lol

 

[Draconis]

While I'm not defending rebrands or AMD/Intel, something to keep in mind is that there is pressure from their partners have something "new" in some cadence or another for sales.