Best time to sell your used 4090s is now.

[Krit]

That's only 31.8% boost over RTX 4090 for that fortune it gives really not much performance. For example RX 9070 XT is 42.5% faster than RX 7800 XT and RTX 1080 Ti was 85% faster than GTX 980 Ti

Even the best gpu in RTX 50 Series lineup "hardware wise" is nothing special at all.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

That's only 31.8% boost over RTX 4090 for that fortune it gives really not much performance. For example RX 9070 XT is 42.5% faster than RX 7800 XT and RTX 1080 Ti was 85% faster than RTX 980 Ti

Even if we look at something like the 7800XT-9070XT that is 500 usd to 800 usd current pricing so 60% more money for 43% more performance.

The 4090 sat around 2000 for a while and the 5090 is 2800 last I checked or 40% more money for 31.8% more performance.
both cards kinda suck.

edit I see the 9070XT dropped a bit so 40% more money for 42.5% more performance so awesome

 

[Krit]

Even if we look at something like the 7800XT-9070XT that is 500 usd to 800 usd current pricing so 60% more money for 43% more performance.

In my personal experience RX 7800 XT was 530€ around ~1.5 months after launch and RX 9070 XT was 670€ ~1.5 months after launch. I bought them for that price! That's a 42.5% perfomance boost for 26.4% more money which is not terrible but also not great by any means. But still it's clearly better than the RTX 5090 boost p/p ratio and something like GTX 1080 Ti just wipes the floor with the RTX 5090 it's not even close comparison p/p wise also raw power. In RTX 40 Series lineup there was only one arguably barely decent gpu which is RTX 4090 than in RTX 50 Series lineup there is none zero!!! That's way i call RTX 50 series the worst gpu generation ever! It's very simple math nothing more. I'm not an nvidia's hater as i had way more nvidia gpus in past than amd.

 

[HuLkY]

That's only 31.8% boost over RTX 4090 for that fortune it gives really not much performance. For example RX 9070 XT is 42.5% faster than RX 7800 XT and RTX 1080 Ti was 85% faster than GTX 980 Ti

Even the best gpu in RTX 50 Series lineup "hardware wise" is nothing special at all.

I don't think the RTX 5090 was meant or aimed for RTX 4090, it's a refined 4090 maybe aimed for 3090 owners and earlier... lack of competition killed such advancements from one gen to another, exception maybe was 3090 to 4090..

 

[oxrufiioxo]

In my personal experience RX 7800 XT was 530€ around ~1.5 months after launch and RX 9070 XT was 670€ after ~1.5 months after launch. I bought them for that price! That's 42.5% perfomance boost for 26.4% more money which is not terrible but also not great by any means. Still it's clearly better than RTX 5090 boost p/p ratio and something like GTX 1080 Ti just wipes the floor with the RTX 5090 it's not even close comparison p/p wise also raw power. RTX 40 Series lineup was only one arguably barely decent gpu which is RTX 4090 than in RTX 50 Series lineup there is none zero!!! That's way i call RTX 50 series the worst gpu generation ever!

Does anyone actually care about price to performance when buying a 5090 someone in the market for that performance definitely doesn't care about a card that is slower than the previous radeon flagship at raster and on par with the old 4070ti super in RT and still worse at upscaling.

I doubt most people buying it are even using it for gaming tbh Nvidia has moved beyond gaming unfortunately for gamers and AMD still can't beat the previous generation joy.

 

[Krit]

Does anyone actually care about price to performance when buying a 5090 someone in the market for that performance definitely doesn't care about a card that is slower than the previous radeon flagship at raster and on par with the old 4070ti super in RT and still worse at upscaling.

I doubt most people buying it are even using it for gaming tbh Nvidia has moved beyond gaming unfortunately for gamers and AMD still can't beat the previous generation joy.

Absolutely yes because at some point in past GTX 1080 Ti was the actual RTX 5090 which was way better gpu than the current RTX 5090 for way less money.

GTX 1080 Ti was faster and way cheaper in every single possible way. It's a shame to even put them next to each other.

 

[webmanau]

I know for a while the 5090 was 5000 AUD because a few people in this thread were lamenting it cheapest I've seen over there is 4800 AUD.

When the 5090 first popped up in stock here it started at about $6k with the premium models at $7k and over

 

[JustBenching]

Absolutely yes because at some point in past GTX 1080 Ti was the actual RTX 5090 which was way better gpu than the current RTX 5090 for way less money.

GTX 1080 Ti was faster and way cheaper in every single possible way. It's a shame to even put them next to each other.

If the 5090 is the equivalent of the 1080ti then the 9070xt is the equivalent of a 1060. The 1060 was 300$, the 9070xt is over double that yet here you are trying to convince us it's a good deal. Man...please?

 

[webmanau]

The Halo cards have always been unreasonably priced, just look at the 3090 price over the 3080: 100% price increase for 25% of performance.
I do hope AMD improves but I want Raytracing and their cards are just not cutting it so why even discuss them here?

If the 5090 is the equivalent of the 1080ti then the 9070xt is the equivalent of a 1060. The 1060 was 300$, the 9070xt is over double that yet here you are trying to convince us it's a good deal. Man...please?

If you want VALUE then the 5090 is only ever going to cut it if you need it for LLMs. Most buyers want the fastest gaming card available. What do you suggest they buy?

 

[Koozwad]

The Halo cards have always been unreasonably priced, just look at the 3090 price over the 3080: 100% price increase for 25% of performance.
I do hope AMD improves but I want Raytracing and their cards are just not cutting it so why even discuss them here?


If you want VALUE then the 5090 is only ever going to cut it if you need it for LLMs. Most buyers want the fastest gaming card available. What do you suggest they buy?

Why do you want RT? It literally exists to sell overpriced hardware. Games like RDR2 and Death Stranding 2 for example show that RT is not required at all. Heck in ~2001(Toy Soldier demo) we had perfect real-time reflections already and in 2007 of course Crysis 1 launched fully done already. The graphics have stagnated hard and I guess someone had the 'genius' idea to ntroduce RT to games(which comes with plenty of issues). If everyone stops buying games with RT, they will start actually putting work into the graphics again!

 

[JustBenching]

If you want VALUE then the 5090 is only ever going to cut it if you need it for LLMs. Most buyers want the fastest gaming card available. What do you suggest they buy?

If you want the fastest you get a 5090, it's not even a question

 

[Krit]

If the 5090 is the equivalent of the 1080ti then the 9070xt is the equivalent of a 1060. The 1060 was 300$, the 9070xt is over double that yet here you are trying to convince us it's a good deal. Man...please?

Yes i get it but there are such a thing as "worst" and "the worst"!!! Nvidia is "the worst" although right now RX 9060 XT also is pretty significant crap can't argue with that.

 

[JustBenching]

Why do you want RT? It literally exists to sell overpriced hardware. Games like RDR2 and Death Stranding 2 for example show that RT is not required at all. Heck in ~2001(Toy Soldier demo) we had perfect real-time reflections already and in 2007 of course Crysis 1 launched fully done already. The graphics have stagnated hard and I guess someone had the 'genius' idea to ntroduce RT to games(which comes with plenty of issues). If everyone stops buying games with RT, they will start actually putting work into the graphics again!

Death stranding has horrible reflection issues due to not using RT actually. Im sure CDPR put a lot of effort in the witcher 3 graphics, and yet the RT remaster looks 5 times better. Are you actually trying to convince us that RT doesn't look better than traditional raster, or what is your point?

Yes i get it but there are such a thing as "worst" and "the worst"!!! Nvidia is "the worst" although right now RX 9060 XT also is pretty significant crap can't argue with that.

Yes, we know, nvidia intel bad, amd good. We've heard it a billion times.

 

[Krit]

The Halo cards have always been unreasonably priced

Thats not true look at GTX 285, GTX 480, 580, 680, 980Ti, 1080Ti long years and simply great prices!!!

The great times where mining and AI does not exist

 

[Koozwad]

Death stranding has horrible reflection issues due to not using RT actually. Im sure CDPR put a lot of effort in the witcher 3 graphics, and yet the RT remaster looks 5 times better. Are you actually trying to convince us that RT doesn't look better than traditional raster, or what is your point?


Yes, we know, nvidia intel bad, amd good. We've heard it a billion times.

I am saying that RT isn't really a reason to get a 5090 - in fact that's exactly how they want you to think. Why are you comparing 2015 raster vs ~2023 RT? You've got to remember some devs intentionally skimp on raster to make the RT look 'good' and 'fix' missing/underperforming effects and whatnot. RT is largely automated saving companies time and money, at the cost of the players' frames and reliance on fake frames/resolutions(which again ties in to RT requiring newer and more powerful hardware purchases).

I would say get a 5090 if you want 4k high refresh rate or even 8k60(for some games). Let's be honest though it's probably going to be the former.

 

[Krit]

Yes, we know, nvidia intel bad, amd good. We've heard it a billion times.

Math does not work like that it's all about numbers and p/p ratio. Like or not i do not care about that fanboy opinion.

RX 9060 XT 8GB is worse than RTX 5060 8GB p/p wise.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yes, we know, nvidia intel bad, amd good. We've heard it a billion times.

They all kinda suck in their own way but anyone who thinks they would behave differently if things were reverse like if AMD was dominating the gpu market or intel is smoking some good $#!+

 

[Krit]

If the 5090 is the equivalent of the 1080ti then the 9070xt is the equivalent of a 1060. The 1060 was 300$, the 9070xt is over double that yet here you are trying to convince us it's a good deal. Man...please?

If gpu hardware giant die size is not scaling well in terms of performance then that giant size and cost is just useless GTX 1080 Ti was way more efficient gpu with way better performance boost over poor slow RTX 5090

Big and expensive does not mean fast!

 

[oxrufiioxo]

If gpu hardware giant die size is not scaling well in terms of performance then that giant size and cost is just useless GTX 1080 Ti was way more efficient gpu with way better performance boost over poor slow RTX 5090

Big and expensive does not mean fast!

This is a thread about 4090 owners selling their gpu's to buy a 5090 not about the glory days of the last GTX card how good or bad a card is is up to the person buying it not someone who was never going buy it in the first place. You voted 9070XT a card that isn't even even in the same stratosphere as far as performance goes when it comes to why somebody would buy this gpu.



Like I said earlier beyond that Nvidia has moved beyond gamers and their toys their top gpu is used in the prosumer market now where people have a lot more money than Gamerzzz.

 

[Krit]

This is a thread about 4090 owners selling their gpu's to buy a 5090 not about the glory days of the last GTX card how good or bad a card is is up to the person buying it not someone who was never going buy it in the first place. You voted 9070XT a card that isn't even even in the same stratosphere as far as performance goes when it comes to why somebody would buy this gpu.

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Like I said earlier beyond that Nvidia has moved beyond gamers and their toys their top gpu is used in the prosumer market now where people have a lot more money than Gamerzzz.

I'm just answering. RT is not an average fps!

RTX 5090 is 61% faster @1440p and 86% faster @4k than RX 9070 XT but costs absursd 266% more with is more than 3 times expensive! If you don't have 4k screen you dont need RTX 5090!!! Even at 3440x1440@165hz RX 9070 XT is more than enough. 4k is very hard resolution to run even 3440x1440 is way less demanding on gpu.

In terms of p/p ratio RTX 5090 loses by a lightyears to a RX 9070 XT not the case for a GTX 1080 Ti or GTX 980 Ti where p/p ratio is completely different even poor weak RTX 2080 Ti probably beats RTX 5090 ass pretty easy. If AMD will not rollout it's High END UDNA then R.I.P. gpu market! I don't like what AMD is doing right now, but if it continues the same way next time, it will be even worse for all of us.

 

[JustBenching]

They all kinda suck in their own way but anyone who thinks they would behave differently if things were reverse like if AMD was dominating the gpu market or intel is smoking some good $#!+

But have you noticed that's its predominantly the amd camp people hijacking threads constantly trying to tell us how freaking great their mediocre products are? What in the world man. You click on an intel thread "but my x3d", you click an nvidia thread "my 9070xt". Insanity...

Why in the world do people think that owners of 3090s and 4090s are interested in this mediocrity card called 9070xt. I just don't get it.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

But have you noticed that's its predominantly the amd camp people hijacking threads constantly trying to tell us how freaking great their mediocre products are? What in the world man. You click on an intel thread "but my x3d", you click an nvidia thread "my 9070xt". Insanity...

Why in the world do people think that owners of 3090s and 4090s are interested in this mediocrity card called 9070xt. I just don't get it.

I get it man, I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan no matter how long they have sucked... I know what it must feel like to be an amd gpu fan losing year after year....

 

[Godrilla]

I'm just answering. RT is not an average fps!

RTX 5090 is 61% faster @1440p and 86% faster @4k than RX 9070 XT but costs absursd 266% more with is more than 3 times expensive! If you don't have 4k screen you dont need RTX 5090!!! Even at 3440x1440@165hz RX 9070 XT is more than enough. 4k is very hard resolution to run even 3440x1440 is way less demanding on gpu.

In terms of p/p ratio RTX 5090 loses by a lightyears to a RX 9070 XT not the case for a GTX 1080 Ti or GTX 980 Ti where p/p ratio is completely different even poor weak RTX 2080 Ti probably beats RTX 5090 ass pretty easy. If AMD will not rollout it's High END UDNA then R.I.P. gpu market! I don't like what AMD is doing right now, but if it continues the same way next time, it will be even worse for all of us.

Question since you bring up rasterization chart for the target demographic audience focuses on these deltas though. 215% in rt. I am personally waiting for a 5090 AMD competitor that will slaughter it but I will not hold my breathsssss.

 

[JustBenching]

I am saying that RT isn't really a reason to get a 5090

For you, it isn't. Surely you realize that for someone else that isn't you it might be, right?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

For you, it isn't. Surely you realize that for someone else that isn't you it might be, right?

People have a hard time looking past their own narrow usecase.

I don't like the 9070XT or the 5070ti but depending on region both can have a case made on why someone should or shouldn't buy them.

It's the same with a 5090 you're unhappy with your current performance and you can afford one it's not complicated. Like if someone want's 5090 performance they either buy it or wait for that performance in their price range.

No other company offers a gpu remotely as fast as a 5090.

I personally think a 3000 ish usd gpu is silly but that is through my own narrow viewpoint and only applies to me.