Best time to sell your used 4090s is now.

[webmanau]

Thats not true look at GTX 285, GTX 480, 580, 680, 980Ti, 1080Ti long years and simply great prices!!!

The great times where mining and AI does not exist

The 980Ti was released later. The 970 to 980 increase was a lot more in $$$ than it was in performance.

Math does not work like that it's all about numbers and p/p ratio. Like or not i do not care about that fanboy opinion.

RX 9060 XT 8GB is worse than RTX 5060 8GB p/p wise.

Most do not care about p/p ratio AT ALL. They care about FPS and the 5090 happens to rule them all in that department.

 

[pf100]

Sorry but no sane person would use 1440p to compare cards at that level.

Hello. Insane person here. I almost always play at 1440p with a 4090. Why? Because I get higher frame rates than people that play at 4k and 1440p looks great to me. When I hear "no sane person woulds use a 4090 or 5090 at 1440p" or "no sane person would compare the 4090 and 5090 at 1440p", well, I do both of those things because 1440p is my target.

 

[Krit]

The 970 to 980 increase was a lot more in $$$ than it was in performance.

970 @4k was 48% faster for 17.6% less money than a GTX 770 one of the best **70 Class gpus ever realased by p/p standards. Clear win win situation in both sides.

 

[JustBenching]

Yes yes, nvidia is for suckers. We haven't heard it before man, you are the first person to suggest this, thanks for the eye opener. Ill upgrade my 4090 to a 9070xt and increase my IQ in the process, surely amd is for bright people.

 

[Krit]

Most do not care about p/p ratio AT ALL. They care about FPS and the 5090 happens to rule them all in that department.

I'm very proud about you next time you will pay 3000$ for a RTX 6090 and all people will be happy but not me. Nvidia are hunting for idiots that's a fact.

Yes yes, nvidia is for suckers. We haven't heard it before man, you are the first person to suggest this, thanks for the eye opener. Ill upgrade my 4090 to a 9070xt and increase my IQ in the process, surely amd is for bright people.

I would never say that about GTX 285, GTX 480, GTX 580, GTX 680, GTX 980 Ti, GTX 1080 Ti but now we are living in a completely different era where AI is way more important than for example gaming or video editing. You will pay for AI big bucks regardless you use it or not it's like slavery at its finest. Sorry i'm not interested to pay for something that i don't use.

 

[JustBenching]

I would never say that about GTX 285, GTX 480, GTX 580, GTX 680, GTX 980 Ti, GTX 1080 Ti but now we are living in a completely different era where AI is way more important than for example gaming or video editing. You will pay for AI big bucks regardless you use it or not it's like slavery at its finest. Sorry i'm not interested to pay for something that i don't use.

Then why arent the competitors cards that don't focus on AI curbstomping nvidia in performance? Why is the 9070xt losing to an AI focused 5070ti? Shouldn't it be beating the 5090 since you are paying for AI and not gaming performance? What you are telling me does not align with reality here.

 

[Krit]

Then why arent the competitors cards that don't focus on AI curbstomping nvidia in performance? Why is the 9070xt losing to an AI focused 5070ti? Shouldn't it be beating the 5090 since you are paying for AI and not gaming performance? What you are telling me does not align with reality here.

Nvidia is AI focused company not AMD. I don't need AI.

 

[JustBenching]

Nvidia is AI focused company not AMD. I don't need AI.

So why isn't amd faster in games than nvidia?

 

[Krit]

So why isn't amd faster in games than nvidia?

Because you are asking this strange question but seriously it's ahead hardware wise better efficiency more headroom for performance. If competitor has better architecture/IPC in general then there is not a lot of things you can do about it only lower the price because AMD will not be faster anyways.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

So why isn't amd faster in games than nvidia?

They are bruh reviewers are just doing it wrong you gotta use Frame gen, AFMF, and lossless framegen at the same time.

#profit

 

[phanbuey]

9070xt is too expensive for not having better AI features - especially upscaler, since it needs that to run 4K at high fps.

this makes the 5070ti and in some cases even the 5070 with OC effectively faster at the same visual quality, since dlss performance = fsr balanced and dlss balanced = fsr ultra quality.

 

[JustBenching]

They are bruh reviewers are just doing it wrong you gotta use Frame gen, AFMF, and lossless framegen at the same time.

#profit

It boggles the mind though. You are a sucker paying for AI when buying nvidia and yet nvidias gpus are the fastest for gaming.

 

[Hecate91]

People have been doing this since the beginning of time man, you will see the same thing with Cpu's where they do good in one game and suddenly that game represents the whole market lol.

Not just one game, the 9070XT is overall 22% faster than a 3090 at 1440P.

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9070xt is too expensive for not having better AI features - especially upscaler, since it needs that to run 4K at high fps.

this makes the 5070ti and in some cases even the 5070 with OC effectively faster at the same visual quality, since dlss performance = fsr balanced and dlss balanced = fsr ultra quality.

Both are too expensive to need to run upscaling by default for 4K.
Then again if you have the budget for a 4k high refresh rate monitor you probably can afford a 5080 or 5090.

I would never say that about GTX 285, GTX 480, GTX 580, GTX 680, GTX 980 Ti, GTX 1080 Ti but now we are living in a completely different era where AI is way more important than for example gaming or video editing. You will pay for AI big bucks regardless you use it or not it's like slavery at its finest. Sorry i'm not interested to pay for something that i don't use.

Exactly, Nvidia doesn't care about gaming anymore, so they'll charge customers for AI features even if you couldn't care less about those AI "features".

 

[Krit]

I'm not saying that AI is bad but it's way overpriced for what it's actually is smoke screens and fake prices....

 

[phanbuey]

Not just one game, the 9070XT is overall 22% faster than a 3090 at 1440P.

Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ Review - Beating NVIDIA

AMD's new RDNA 4 GPUs are launching today. The Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ is a fantastic custom design with powerful cooling and whisper-quiet fans. In terms of FPS, the RX 9070 XT offers competitive performance with similarly priced NVIDIA options in both raster and ray tracing.

www.techpowerup.com

Both are too expensive to need to run upscaling by default for 4K.
Then again if you have the budget for a 4k high refresh rate monitor you probably can afford a 5080 or 5090.


Exactly, Nvidia doesn't care about gaming anymore, so they'll charge customers for AI features even if you couldn't care less about those AI "features".

for 240hz yes - but 144Hz IPS 4k panels are getting cheap rn.

You can pick up a good one for $400 and under - they're great for all-rounder rigs where you work and game on the same machine. 4k IPS at 27" text is amazing for work.

 

[JustBenching]

Exactly, Nvidia doesn't care about gaming anymore, so they'll charge customers for AI features even if you couldn't care less about those AI "features".

On the other hand AMD charges customers for AI features but they are just not delivering any.

9070xt = 729€
5070ti = 799€

Current pricing in EU for products in stock. Given that the 5070ti is slightly better in raster, better in RT, a lot better in PT, uses less power and has a better upscaler and it would get a LOT longer driver support, it should cost more. Given it's only 60€ more, how much is nvidia charging for AI? 10€? Oh well, it's fine, ill manage.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

It boggles the mind though. You are a sucker paying for AI when buying nvidia and yet nvidias gpus are the fastest for gaming.

I don't know why people have to do so many mental gymnastics to try and make it seem like amd is offering a better product. It's slightly worse for slightly less money which hasn't changed for a decade now.

A simple I don't like Nvidia, I'm buying an AMD gpu would suffice no need to justify it beyond that.

I've said the same thing the last 4 generations when someone offers me a gpu that is better than what Nvidia offers RT/Upscaling I will buy it.

People can stick their head in the sand all they want but games are going to use more and more RT which will require Upscaling becuase we will no longer see massive gains to performance gen on gen without a massive increase in cost. So whoever does those 2 things best will get my $$$ now if people want to spend slightly less on slightly worse good for them.

 

[Krit]

On the other hand AMD charges customers for AI features but they are just not delivering any.

9070xt = 729€
5070ti = 799€

Current pricing in EU for products in stock. Given that the 5070ti is slightly better in raster, better in RT, a lot better in PT, uses less power and has a better upscaler and it would get a LOT longer driver support, it should cost more. Given it's only 60€ more, how much is nvidia charging for AI? 10€? Oh well, it's fine, ill manage.

Highly depends on location in Latvia usually AMD is going for noticeably less than nvidia. Right now 700€ vs 850€ in a decent stores.

 

[JustBenching]

Highly depends on location in Latvia usually AMD is going for noticeably less than nvidia.

So nvidia only charges certain locations for AI and not in others?

 

[Krit]

So nvidia only charges certain locations for AI and not in others?

For you personally definattley!

 

[JustBenching]

I don't know why people have to do so many mental gymnastics to try and make it seem like amd is offering a better product. It's slightly worse for slightly less money which hasn't changed for a decade now.

A simple I don't like Nvidia, I'm buying an AMD gpu would suffice no need to justify it beyond that.

I've said the same thing the last 4 generations when someone offers me a gpu that is better than what Nvidia offers RT/Upscaling I will buy it.

People can stick their head in the sand all they want but games are going to use more and more RT which will require Upscaling becuase we will no longer see massive gains to performance gen on gen without a massive increase in cost. So whoever does those 2 things best will get my $$$ now if people want to spend slightly less on slightly worse good for them.

The funny part is, the 5090 (and 5xxx in general) is not what i'd call a good generational jump. BUT - the 5090 increased the framerate vs the 4090 by 38fps (4k, TPU numbers) and vs the 3090 by 83 fps. 2 generations, 83 fps!

Now hold your pants, wanna know how much the 9070xt increased performance over the 6800xt? 26 fps.

So nvidia gave more performance increase in 1 generation than amd did in 2, and nvidia gave 3.5 times more performance increase than amd did in 2 gens. But nvidia is for suckerzzzz

 

[Krit]

Now hold your pants, wanna know how much the 9070xt increased performance over the 6800xt? 26 fps.

It replaces 6700xt not 6800xt the same greedy moves as nvidia did to RTX 40 Series by cutting down bit width. Still AMD has better boost.

 

[JustBenching]

It replaces 6700xt not 6800xt the same greedy moves as nvidia did to RTX 40 Series by cutting down bit width. Still AMD has better boost.

And the 5090 replaces the 3090 not the 4090, therefore we got a huge performance boost.

 

[Krit]

And the 5090 replaces the 3090 not the 4090, therefore we got a huge performance boost.

Again for you personally definitely yes! Look at numbers and prices...... 90 Class is 90 Class and 70 Class is 70 Class

 

[Hecate91]

I'm not saying that AI is bad but it's way overpriced for what it's actually is smoke screens and fake prices....

I don't mean to say AI is bad for anyone who has a use for it, but Nvidia is indeed pricing their cards for AI more so than gaming,