Help me choose the right PSU , Cooler Master vs Seasonic

[Bill_Bright]

just FYI, really has nothing to do with being an OEM or ODM

You're the one talking about OEM vs ODM. I know the difference.

So FYI, the point is, the product NGIT provides is still, 100% NGIT designed and manufactured - even though they don't own the building.

And according to the supporting evidence I provided - because I don't expect you, or Frick, or anyone else to just accept what I say as Gospel because I said so, or because I have never seen something, therefore it must not exist , the products Corsair makes in that leased facility are Corsair products too. I note you still have provided no supporting evidence.

Please read the rest of my post, which has a direct quote from your link.

I did - and I read it when I posted it too.

I guess to you, since they assemble vs manufacture proves you are right. I guess too since ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, Seasonic, Coolermaster, [insert whatever you like] surely do not "manufacture" the resistors, capacitors, connectors, diodes, [insert whatever you like], they only assemble their boards, and Apple, Dell and Acer only assemble their PCs and laptops, then they don't manufacture any of their branded items either. Okay. You win.

So with that, since this thread has nothing to do with manufacturing, OEM, OED, or the price of rice in China in the summer time when it rains, I'm moving on to let the thread get back on-topic.

Have a good did.

 

[dirtyferret]

So do you believe if a company is manufacturing products of their own design, but doing so in a facility they don't own, but only lease that is not considered in house?

the typical definition of "in house manufacturing/production", Frick is using an accurate description

In-House Production​

Classic production or in-house production is an activity that is conducted within the same business. You are able to perform the task using the time and effort of your own employees and any other assets that the company already has.

another definition

In-house production, also known as internal production, refers to manufacturing products within your own facilities. This approach involves owning and operating all aspects of the production process, from sourcing materials to quality control and fulfillment

So FYI, the point is, the product NGIT provides is still, 100% NGIT designed and manufactured - even though they don't own the building.

I don't really know NGIT so I can't speak to their business model but what I can say is owning or renting the building is more of an accounting & real estate question. If you own a facility or rent a facility, you can still produce things in-house if they are your own design & people on the project of manufacturing/production/service (depending on the company)

I note you still have provided no supporting evidence.

you want something better than frick's posting corsair's own words verbatim with the SEC?

We believe we have developed a global and scalable production and operations infrastructure that allows us to deliver our products promptly and cost-effectively. We operate a facility in Taiwan where we assemble, test, package and ultimately supply nearly all of our DRAM modules and a significant portion of our customized gaming controllers, liquid cooling products and prebuilt gaming systems. We also assemble, test, package and ultimately supply our custom-built PCs and our customized gaming controllers and fully built PCs from our U.S. facility in Atlanta, Georgia. All of the other products we sell are produced at factories operated by third parties located in Asia. In addition, we outsource storage and shipping to several third-party logistics providers around the world which allows us to reduce order fulfillment time, reduce shipping costs and improve inventory flexibility."

 

[Frick]

I did - and I read it when I posted it too.

I guess to you, since they assemble vs manufacture proves you are right. I guess too since ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, Seasonic, Coolermaster, [insert whatever you like] surely do not "manufacture" the resistors, capacitors, connectors, diodes, [insert whatever you like], they only assemble their boards, and Apple, Dell and Acer only assemble their PCs and laptops, then they don't manufacture any of their branded items either. Okay. You win.

No, that's not what I meant at all (because that would mean FSP and Delta aren't manufacturers). What I meant is that they specifically mention "DRAM modules and a significant portion of our customized gaming controllers, liquid cooling products and prebuilt gaming systems", and some further reading in that link has this to say:

We group our products into two categories (operating segments):

• Gamer and Creator Peripherals. Includes our high-performance gaming keyboards, mice, headsets, controllers, and streaming products, which includes capture cards, Stream Decks, microphones and audio interfaces, our Facecam streaming cameras, studio accessories, sim racing products, and gaming furniture, among others.
• Gaming Components and Systems. Includes our high-performance PSUs, cooling solutions, computer cases, and DRAM modules, as well as high-end prebuilt and custom-built gaming PCs and laptops, and gaming monitors, among others.

A big part of my job is assembling things, and I will obviously tell the customers the company I work for is the one who makes the product (because it's accurate, one reason being we also design the things), so I get what you're saying, but there is nothing out there suggesting Corsair has their own factories that makes PSU's. Add to this that the idea that brands with their own assembly lines are by default better (such as Seasonic) is still pretty pervasive and that is something Corsair is very much aware of and I'm quite sure they would very much like the customers to be aware of that fact.

 

[Bill_Bright]

but there is nothing out there suggesting Corsair has their own factories that makes PSU's.

Wow dude. You sure are quick to tell people to read your posts when clearly you make no effort to read theirs. That's sad. Go back and read my post #35 and see the link I provided to Cybertechnosys. Is that absolute proof? No. But it sure is more than the "nothing" you claim and is a 1000 % better than any supporting evidence you provided - which is none whatsoever. Then I also included the Wiki article. What supporting evidence did you provide? Oh! I forgot. You have dirtyferret claiming you are right. My bad. Surely that is indisputable proof, right?

Note the following, my bold underline added,

Classic production or in-house production is an activity that is conducted within the same business. You are able to perform the task using the time and effort of your own employees and any other assets that the company already has.

Come on dude! You are demonstrating your ignorance here. Do you not understand that a contract employee is a company "asset" even though they are NOT company employees?

The first 2 years I worked for NGIT, I was on a contract to the State of Nebraska, setting up monitoring with Tivoli products between the state's mainframe and all 93 county seats and their 400+ IBM OS/2 computers (I miss that OS - but that's for a different discussion). I was employed by and paid by and assigned to that contract by NGIT, not the State. But my boss, as in the person who I reported to daily, who wrote my performance reviews, and who directed my activities was the director of Social Services for Nebraska, a state employee.

The next 3 years, I "built" computers for WeatherMation, a company out of Minneapolis/St. Paul. The person telling me what to do was a WeatherMation manager, not NGIT. Did we specifically build, from "raw" materials, the motherboards, drives, RAM, graphics cards, cases, etc.? Of course not. But that seems to be the line you and DF want to draw here. We researched and selected the mobo, RAM, graphics, OS etc. based on the the requirements of our "client". And I "assembled" all the components into 300+ dedicated computers, installed the OS and essential WeatherMation apps in my lab in our "leased" by NGIT building.

Those are not just "anecdotal" examples. Those are typical examples of EVERYDAY life in the business world. Even government organizations hire contractors and those contractors follow the direction of their government bosses. Heck, I can hire a contractor to paint my house and he or she works for me!

So did we build those 300+ computers "in house"? Damn right we did!

Come on your guys! Quit splitting hairs here.

Until you provide evidence suggesting otherwise, Corsair is now designing and building their own PSUs.

Is any of this on topic or helping the OP? NO!!! So this time, I really am out of here, for good.

 

[azrael]

actually it started out with Seasonic & CWT with CWT making most of their units then as they do today

Not to split hairs, but Corsair started out with exactly two models, the HX520W and the HX620W. Both were made by Seasonic. I had (and still have) the HX520W, although it's gathering dust somewhere.

 

[dirtyferret]

Not to split hairs, but Corsair started out with exactly two models, the HX520W and the HX620W. Both were made by Seasonic. I had (and still have) the HX520W, although it's gathering dust somewhere.

true, quickly followed by the VX line (450w via SS & 550w via CWT) and TX line (650W via SS and 750& 850w via CWT)

Do you not understand that a contract employee is a company "asset" even though they are NOT company employees?

contract employee is different than third party employee Bill. No one doubts your employment history it's just not an accurate example for the discussion topic, in fact it's way off.

Until you provide evidence suggesting otherwise, Corsair is now designing and building their own PSUs.

sorry Bill but your whole point is an opinion based on a bad web blog. Frick already posted Corsair's own words that contradict you as well as every professional PSU reviewer states the OEM who builds the units. Now if corsair comes out and changes their statement that's another thing but they have not. It really seems your digging your own hole to prove an inaccurate opinion for your own hubris.

 

[Chomiq]

OP are you on a 115V or 230V grid? C1000 Gold from NZXT is a solid unit and can be had for around 160 $ or €.:

NZXT C1000 ATX v3.1 PSU Review - Page 11 of 11 - Hardware Busters

Hardware Busters - NZXT C1000 ATX v3.1 PSU Review - PSUs

hwbusters.com

Best PSU Picks 2025 - Page 5 of 9 - Hardware Busters

Hardware Busters - Best PSU Picks 2025 - Best Picks

hwbusters.com

That would give you plenty of spare power to not worry about future upgrades and around $30 spare in your pocket.

https://www.amazon.com/NZXT-C1000-Gold-ATX-3-1/dp/B0D1VC8C4S?th=1

As for Seasonic ATX2.0 units, you can get a 8-pin to 12VHPWR cable from Seasonic:

Seasonic 12VHPWR Cable

Seasonic 12VHPWR Cable. Crafted for efficiency and durability, this cable provides a stable power supply to your most demanding components.

seasonic.com

They even offer 90 degree cables:

Accessories Archives

Explore Seasonic Accessories for power supply enhancements and replacements. Ensure efficient, reliable performance with cables, connectors, and more.

seasonic.com

But they only make sense if you already have working, powerful enough ATX 2.0 unit and you don't see a reason to upgrade to a new PSU.

 

[Frick]

Wow dude. You sure are quick to tell people to read your posts when clearly you make no effort to read theirs. That's sad. Go back and read my post #35 and see the link I provided to Cybertechnosys. Is that absolute proof? No. But it sure is more than the "nothing" you claim and is a 1000 % better than any supporting evidence you provided - which is none whatsoever. Then I also included the Wiki article. What supporting evidence did you provide? Oh! I forgot. You have dirtyferret claiming you are right. My bad. Surely that is indisputable proof, right?

Anyone can make a website and write anything on it. Note that there are no sources on anything, and there are like a ton of articles despite the website being registred in 2024, all of the written by the same guy, a guy who I cannot find anything about on Google. Why do you trust that and not what Corsair says?

The first 2 years I worked for NGIT, I was on a contract to the State of Nebraska, setting up monitoring with Tivoli products between the state's mainframe and all 93 county seats and their 400+ IBM OS/2 computers (I miss that OS - but that's for a different discussion). I was employed by and paid by and assigned to that contract by NGIT, not the State. But my boss, as in the person who I reported to daily, who wrote my performance reviews, and who directed my activities was the director of Social Services for Nebraska, a state employee.

The next 3 years, I "built" computers for WeatherMation, a company out of Minneapolis/St. Paul. The person telling me what to do was a WeatherMation manager, not NGIT. Did we specifically build, from "raw" materials, the motherboards, drives, RAM, graphics cards, cases, etc.? Of course not. But that seems to be the line you and DF want to draw here. We researched and selected the mobo, RAM, graphics, OS etc. based on the the requirements of our "client". And I "assembled" all the components into 300+ dedicated computers, installed the OS and essential WeatherMation apps in my lab in our "leased" by NGIT building.

Those are not just "anecdotal" examples. Those are typical examples of EVERYDAY life in the business world. Even government organizations hire contractors and those contractors follow the direction of their government bosses. Heck, I can hire a contractor to paint my house and he or she works for me!

So did we build those 300+ computers "in house"? Damn right we did!

God damnit Bill, I know you suck at admitting fault or any kind of ignorance and is as thick headed as a bull, but I'm agreeing with this! I assemble things for a living, meaning I build them "in house"! That is not the issue! There is nothing credible suggesting Corsair builds their own power supplies, and even Corsairs own words contradicts it!

 

[lexluthermiester]

Any company has poor RMA here in Uruguay , you normally only get the warranty from the vendor itself and thats all. And most of the products have 1 year warranty. Im more inclined to go with the Cooler Master yes but like Waldford mentioned I have seen a few comments about the fans no being that good and making noise on higher loads.

Given your situation, the Cooler Master is the clear choice. Quality is top-tier and the extra wattage will help both your power efficiency and your wattage overhead.

 

[Frick]

Any company has poor RMA here in Uruguay , you normally only get the warranty from the vendor itself and thats all. And most of the products have 1 year warranty. Im more inclined to go with the Cooler Master yes but like Waldford mentioned I have seen a few comments about the fans no being that good and making noise on higher loads.

Do you have better and worse retailers? It's the same here in Sweden, but the retailers are required by law to cover the warranties and with the good retailers there are rarely problems.

 

[Bill_Bright]

God damnit Bill, I know you suck at admitting fault or any kind of ignorance and is as thick headed as a bull

Yeah right! You and your soiled polecat buddy are still posting about this. Talk about bull headed. Twice I have tried to move on and twice you come back just to prove your point and disprove mine.

You refuse to move on and are still persistent at basing your whole existence on semantics simply because YOU refuse to concede any ground over the definition of "in house" when it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. So who sucks here?

You offer no supporting evidence! Instead you include a link in post #46 that goes to the US Securities and Exchange Commission ??? and then you and the polecat pretend it proves your point? OMG!

And what did you then pretend they said? You quoted it @Frick , and then deceptively claimed it proves your point! You admit you assemble parts to "build" computers, but apparently Corsair can't?

and even Corsairs own words contradicts it!

Oh? Show us. Show us in your so-called supporting link from Corsair (but really the SEC) where it says anything about "power supplies".

And what do you do when I provided two links of supporting evidence? You and your buddy claim WITH NO SUPPORTING EVIDENCE OF YOUR OWN, that those sources are wrong. And you claim I am the arrogant one.

ONCE AGAIN, and for the umpteenth time, the entire point I've been making is, does Crucial buy OEM designed and manufactured models and rebrand them as their own?

The answer is, and what I have been saying all along and that is, they do NOT buy OEM designed supplies and rebrand them. Instead, they design them and, like so many other companies, they contract out to bakeries, err... factories to make the PSUs to Corsair's own design specs. Is that "in house?" By YOUR strict definition, no. I concede and won't dispute that. But who gives a f%^K! That is NOT the point or relevant to this thread.

Sorry you and your buddy don't understand and refuse to accept that it is a very common and widespread practice for companies to "outsource" production of their designs, to then be branded with their name.

I admit, in the beginning, Corsair designed and built (or outsourced the building of) their own PSUs. Then they got greedy and started buying ( IMO inferior! ) OEM designed PSUs and rebranding them as their own. And what happened? Their reputation tanked and still suffers todays. But these days, at least from the ONLY evidence presented in this thread, they once again design their own PSUs and then contract out to factories to build them to Corsair specs. Once again, they do NOT buy OEM design and built models, then rebrand them as their own.

What is really ironic here, at least in my mind, is me defending Corsair against you and particularly the soiled polecat. I am one on this site to frequently warn users to avoid Corsair's entry models only to have others jump in to claim how good they are.

Now for the 3rd time, I plead with you to get back on the topic of this thread. Sadly, we know that won't happen as one, or both of you, will have to get your last word in. Well, again, mine last word is in so again, I am done here and this time, I mean it.

 

[dirtyferret]

You're the one talking about OEM vs ODM. I know the difference.

actually you don't based on your posts. Manufacturing has always been outside your grasp of knowledge. Similar to your lack of understanding split raIL psu on a different thread I'm both educating you and correcting you here on the topic.

Come on your guys! Quit splitting hairs here.

We are not, you are simply wrong i your opinion

Is any of this on topic or helping the OP? NO!!! So this time, I really am out of here, for good.

but you here still here in the thread several posts later? Why, more on that later

You offer no supporting evidence! Instead you include a link in post #46 that goes to the US Securities and Exchange Commission ???

neither do you other than some joke blog Frick already disproved yet your retort to him is that the SEC filing is fake? That's a pathetic attempt to save face even for you

Then they got greedy and started buying ( IMO inferior! ) OEM designed PSUs and rebranding them as their own.

that's incorrect and actually both Frick and I stated they design their units in house

Once again, they do NOT buy OEM design and built models, then rebrand them as their own.

yet you were arguing they built them in house, so now you are pivoting the conversation

Now for the 3rd time, I plead with you to get back on the topic of this thread.

no, I know you and I know your ego. You desperately need to have the last word in the thread thinking you "win"...not going to let you have it because I know it will drive you nuts and you will reply to this. Peace out to the person who said "I really am out of here, for good." but I'm going to keep correcting your posts each time you post inaccurate information which meas I'm going to keep replying.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Guys, this is not helping the OP. Let's focus on their situation, eh?

 

[Shrek]

The Tier list is a good place to start, and why limit things to

• Cooler Master
• Seasonic

PSU Tier List rev. 17.0g - Cultists Network

PSU Tier List will help you to choose the best PSU out of hundreds of models on the market. From budget to the highest end Power Supplies.

cultists.network

I stand corrected, thanks to dirtyferret

Best PSU Picks 2025 - Hardware Busters

Hardware Busters - Best PSU Picks 2025 - Best Picks

hwbusters.com

might be a better starting point.

 

[John Naylor]

It's as much about the product line as it is the manufacturer. People who make stuff want to be present in all markets, like the larger car makers, they make products for all markets. I spent years ignoring tier lists given all of the obvious errors. JohhnyGuru was my go to source .... and I haven't found anything anywhere near it since.

I had a habit of making a post, changing the manufacturer ....

a) Does [Insert name here] make great PSUs ?
b) Does [Insert name here] make good PSUs ?
c) Does [Insert name here] make mediocre PSUs ?
d) Does [Insert name here] make bad PSUs ?

Two of the best CPus I ever has were made by Antec,the CP 850 and 1050

The answer most of the time was e) all of the above.

On this build I am typing from, it has a Seasonic X-1250 ... to my best recollection : ) The build thread is still on the forum I imagine. It's a water cooled heavily overclocked system w/ 880 watt peak loads and twin water pumps. It was built in November 2013 and it has run 24/7 ever since, other than monthly reboots. My son has a 1050 for at least 10 years, tho he's been thru 4 component rebuilds since.

Brand usage is almost a religion for some folks ... a respected friend gives them advice and they remain locked in ...my gramps always said "Oh [insert manufacturer here] makes the Cadillac of [insert product here]"...no one says that anymore.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Two of the best CPus I ever has were made by Antec,the CP 850 and 1050

Way WAY back in the day, Antec was my first choice for PSUs, case fans, and cases. Sadly, as so many companies do, they sat on their laurels and allowed the competition to pass them by. They have never recovered from that dominant position.

I still have sitting on my shelf, in the box, never used Antec NeoECO 620W supply. Sadly, it probably never will be used either due to a lack of current technology connectors. Oh well.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Way WAY back in the day, Antec was my first choice for PSUs, case fans, and cases. Sadly, as so many companies do, they sat on their laurels and allowed the competition to pass them by. They have never recovered from that dominant position.

I still have sitting on my shelf, in the box, never used Antec NeoECO 620W supply. Sadly, it probably never will be used either due to a lack of current technology connectors. Oh well.

Time to build a retro gaming rig with your favorite old time components, Bill!

 

[Bill_Bright]

Or I can just keep putting off building my new W11 rig and just let this current 9 year old, W10 system that refused to die automatically become a retro rig! LOL