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PCMA2305 Phase Change Metal Alloy (PCMA)

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Still, I can imagine it locking the heatsink to the chip
I'm pretty sure that on PCMA2305 it won't happen, but if you really wish to weld everything on purpose, then go ahead, apply a reactive flux on the crystal & your heatsink & it's done!

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I'm living you here this pdf converted in to .png in the case you were afraid to open my links for the pdf doc it self.
 
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I look forward to your experiences with this material.
 
I look forward to your experiences with this material.
I would be immensely glad to get my hands on it,
but I can't fake having a firm to even talk with Indium Corp. folks.
Only people like Linus Tech Talk or Steve from GN can actually get there.
 
Indium melts at 313.9°F (156.6°C)

Good to know it solders the heatsink to the CPU
IIRC, 'the good stuff' for die<->IHS thermal bonding is Gold-primed, Indium-based, 'solder(ed) TIM'. So, the 'permanent attachment' part is somewhat implied.
Which, is not at all like the PCMA TIM sheets OP was looking for. (Very -ish, in similar -ish:oops:)

Beyond the scope of this thread, but... I do wonder if those crappy Indium sheets would work better for specific 'appliance' applications.
-where, flashing the heatsink with a torch or keeping it under a halogen, and then proceeding to forget that part was ever 2 separate parts... Is A-OK.
 
1)Liquid Metal fully melts the aluminum;
Those two don't belong in the same sentence anyway. Why would anyone use the lowest-end heatsink with a highest-end thermal interface? Rhetorical Q.
2)Liquid Metal oxidize, so for this reason you need to reapply it every 6 months;
That would make it worse longevity related than the average silicon oil-based paste, which is simply not true.
3)Liquid Metal amalgamates with naked copper,so If your heat sink is not nickel plated, but even if it is - it will amalgamate anyway, but more slowly.
This amalgamation is dangerous, because it grows tiny microscopic crystals which can hurt the silicon die surface underneath of your heat spreader.
Copper absorbs gallium up to a point (effectively plating copper with gallium permanently), and it just leave stains, without compromising its structure and performance in any way.

Yes corrosion may happen with a low quality nickel-plated heatsinks. Yes it stains copper heatsinks. Yes it needs a careful handling during, and extra steps (isolating SMDs) before application (also probably one re-application after the initial one if used with copper, due to the gallium migration into it, but it depends on the amount initially applied obviously).
But it's still the best performing TIM by far. Only PTM coming close to it, but mostly because of the convenience, and not the outstanding performance nor superb longevity (compared to the LM apparently).
The biggest problem I find when thinking about purchasing the PTM is how to get the authentic stuff, when there are so many fake/low quality products around (yes I read about PTM pumping out the same way the regular silicon oil paste does, which is insane, and yes I'm talking about the GPU bare die application from the beggining of this post).
That's why sourcing, and living with the TG LM is much more convenient than testing a dozen of a questionable quality PTM variants. I don't have the money, nerves nor time for that anymore.

I'm not jumping your thread for downplaying it, but just to state some things which people throw around like facts when talking about LM, which are simply not true.
There are some LM horror stories told by the experienced users, but most of them are told by the inexperienced ones, further dissuading others from even trying it, and I'm OK with that honestly.
LM is not suitable to use between every heatsink-heatspreader/bare die, just as it's not suitable to be used by anyone. And it should stay that way.

And good luck with testing that PCM LM. I'm looking forward to the results.
 
I must be a huge pussy, because I would not run this in my rig lol..
 
And good luck with testing that PCM LM. I'm looking forward to the results.
Your wish is basically the same as trowing a 30Kg wooden log straight in to my ass... it's even worse than just being called motherfucker.
LOL!
But did you even read what I wrote before?
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Indium melts at 313.9°F (156.6°C)

Good to know it solders the heatsink to the CPU
Meanwhile the PCM2305 alloy starts to melt at 59.5–72.6C°.
The stuff I was talking about was some kind of alloy too certainly but I doubt near as good of one.
 
Your wish is basically the same as trowing a 30Kg wooden log straight in to my ass... it's even worse than just being called motherfucker.
LOL!
I'm sorry it felt that way, but it was not my goal. I'm all in for the science! :laugh:
But did you even read what I wrote before?
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I did. But have you missed the part when I'm elaborating why I prefer an ordinary TG LM I can be sure it's original, over all of those PTM variants of a questionable quality, because sourcing the genuine stuff that's not a mainstream consumer oriented is hard to do in my part of the world?
And what's funny and ironic at the same time, LM became a mainstream thing around here because of the damn consoles.
 
Your wish is basically the same as trowing a 30Kg wooden log straight in to my ass... it's even worse than just being called motherfucker.
LOL!
But did you even read what I wrote before?
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I think he just meant when/if you source some, possibly with help (no idea as I have no means to help), the science would be simply epic.

I'm in the states and have a business even but... its very small. I very much doubt they would deal with my small one man security firm. I may try to call later in the week anyways and see what can happen.
 
I did. But have you missed the part when I'm elaborating why I prefer an ordinary TG LM I can be sure it's original, over all of those PTM variants of a questionable quality, because sourcing the genuine stuff that's not a mainstream consumer oriented is hard to do in my part of the world?
Here you have, this is the official Honeywell's distributor.
 
I keep reading "silicone free" but don't understand what is the problem with silicone oil.
 
I keep reading "silicone free" but don't understand what is the problem with silicone oil.
It's somewhat difficult to fully remove (it stains textiles, greasens and wets other surfaces), can 'weep' in age and extreme thermal stresses, and can 'poison' some kinds of sensors.
IIRC, in extreme environment applications (like, under vacuum, micro-G, high-G etc.) silicone oils may vaporize or otherwise 'migrate' due to the physical stresses involved.
 
Here you have, this is the official Honeywell's distributor.
Yeah they tell you its a "catalog item" and to "call for pricing" unfortunately. Much like your Indium sheet. But lets not get offtopic on PTM7950.
 
Here you have, this is the official Honeywell's distributor.
Sent a request to their representative:

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So we'll see.

I keep reading "silicone free" but don't understand what is the problem with silicone oil.

Apart from what @LabRat 891 said, it has a tendency to escape from places you want it to stay at. Either by evaporation, or by running out to the sides, or both. Hence the term pump out. You can also see silicon oil escaping from the pads as well, making stains on motherboards, GPUs and PCBs of various components.
 
2 days ago (today is passing already the 3th day) I wrote a letter to Indium Corporation people about their PCMA2305.
Useless to say... I got absolutely 0 answers, meanwhile - How are you proceeding, did someone got some answers from them???

Thanks.
 
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So people!
2 days ago (today is passing already the 3th day) I wrote a letter to Indium Corporation people about their PCMA2305.
Useless to say... I got absolutely 0 answers, meanwhile - How are you proceeding, did someone got some answers from them???

Thanks.
Just remember that 2 days ago was Sunday (July 6th) and the day before that was Saturday (July 5th) and the day before that was Friday (July 4th, Independence Day for the US). Many businesses, with the 4th of July being on a Friday had the Thursday before (July 3rd) off as well.

I know a few companies that my work deals with has today off, even.

In other words, with the past weekending being a Holiday weekend for the states and most businesses being closed for a day or two (not including the weekend) you may not hear back from them for a few more business days.
 
Just remember that 2 days ago was Sunday (July 6th) and the day before that was Saturday (July 5th) and the day before that was Friday (July 4th, Independence Day for the US). Many businesses, with the 4th of July being on a Friday had the Thursday before (July 3rd) off as well.
I'm sorry for you, but I've sent the mail to their European department, because I'm from Europe (Italy).
 
Why angry? I was just suggesting another phase change material.
 
You can learn more about Phase Change Metal Alloy also on this .pdf doc:
 
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