Ryzen 9 7950x idles at 55/60C

[imSebbbbb]

You're consuming 45W in idle which is normal for AM5 - my 9800x3d was consuming ~ 40W with half the cores, so it's not an energy problem -- it's a heat transfer problem.

Also at that wattage it's having no impact on your room temperature either at 45W, unless you live in a closet.

Your cpu is hot because of the stacked cache mine is hot cause after some minutes in idle it settles down at 60/70w and at a temp of 60/63C which shouldn’t be normal.

And yes my room isn’t that big at all as well as my house so yes 60C do make a difference (especially during the summer).

The last screenshot wasn’t really realistic cause after some minutes it all went back like the first screenshot.

Btw u can’t compare the temperatures of a laptop cpu to a desktop cpu.

 

[phanbuey]

Your cpu is hot because of the stacked cache mine is hot cause after some minutes in idle it settles down at 60/70w and at a temp of 60/63C which shouldn’t be normal.

And yes my room isn’t that big at all as well as my house so yes 60C do make a difference (especially during the summer).

The last screenshot wasn’t really realistic cause after some minutes it all went back like the first screenshot.

Btw u can’t compare the temperatures of a laptop cpu to a desktop cpu.

It's the same silicone - so laptop CPUs are often good indicators of safety limits of the chips etc.

TLDR --
1) your idle power usage looks normal - when you're idling. Which you are not in the first screenshot.

2) you have applications running in the background so your system is not "idling" - you have something in the background running eating CPU cycles. Use task manager to see what is using the CPU.

 

[imSebbbbb]

It's the same silicone - so laptop CPUs are often good indicators of safety limits of the chips etc.

TLDR --
1) your idle power usage looks normal - when you're idling. Which you are not in the first screenshot.

2) you have applications running in the background so your system is not "idling" - you have something in the background running eating CPU cycles. Use task manager to see what is using the CPU.

You can’t compare them anyway cause of the very very different cooling that they have, even with no programs in the background it’s the same.
They also have very different power management, power limits and thus different frequency.

70w in idle can’t be normal, other people in this thread also said that their cpu idles at 40w or around that.

 

[A Computer Guy]

You can’t compare them anyway cause of the very very different cooling that they have, even with no programs in the background it’s the same.
They also have very different power management, power limits and thus different frequency.

70w in idle can’t be normal, other people in this thread also said that their cpu idles at 40w or around that.

I'm at 30w today and that's with a Windows VM running too so double the windows just hanging around doing nothing. One thing not to overlook is you have an Asus Hero board. There might be some performance option enabled by default somewhere in the UEFI.

 

[phanbuey]

It's a program running in background. -- Post your Task Manager CPU usage.

 

[DLAV]

In the first screenshoot we can see the cpu at 3% in task manager. Sort the processes by cpu usage and see what's up.

 

[imSebbbbb]

Just to clarify I’m not home today, I’ll be home tomorrow evening so I can’t test anything rn, all I can say is that a cpu will never be in a true idle state cause u will always have an OS running and other processes that u can’t turn off.

Anyway the cpu usage sitting in the desktop with no other program open it’s between 1 and 0.

It's a program running in background. -- Post your Task Manager CPU usage.

Just look at the very first screenshot, yes there is hwinfo and NZXT cam but those will not make a difference in terms of power consumption I mean they barely use a single percentage of the cpu.

I'm at 30w today and that's with a Windows VM running too so double the windows just hanging around doing nothing. One thing not to overlook is you have an Asus Hero board. There might be some performance option enabled by default somewhere in the UEFI.

I know it’s not the perfect example of a power efficient board but yes I’ve turned off all the AI stuff as soon as I got the pc up and running, every time I reset the bios I make sure to turn them off.

In the first screenshoot we can see the cpu at 3% in task manager. Sort the processes by cpu usage and see what's up.

I’ll try tomorrow and get back to you.

 

[imSebbbbb]

Oof your right. I got caught up in a tangent. Sorry for the confusion.

I think the bottom line is your pulling more power at "idle" so your running hotter.

Not sure if it will make a difference but in PBO what is your scalar set to? If AUTO force it to 1x and see what happens otherwise I'm out of ideas other then trying a different cooler but that doesn't address why your chip is pulling more power.

(edit...one day later)

I had a new thought. Windows Update triggered for me tonight and after reboot I was getting high idle temps now 55c to 65c. I fired up Ryzen Master in advanced mode to see what kind of activity the cores were doing and sure enough I was seeing 2 cores swapping around pegging it to 5.5Ghz while the others were mostly sleeping. Looking at task manager "Connected User Experiences and Telemetry" was indicated red in the power usage column as using high power and was going all ham on my system so I set the service to manual and rebooted. Now I'm back to yesterdays behavior. I forgot it was patch Tuesday.

Anyway back to my original thought that something was boosting on your system keeping your temps high. Install Ryzen Master and confirm if cores are boosting by looking at the advanced view where it shows core activity. Also look at task manager and see if any apps are indicating high power usage.

So I tried, at first the cpu was idling at 35/38w which is great but after like 5 minutes in the same state the CPU was already pulling 78w so i opened Ryzen master to check what u said and yes, 2 cores swapping around boosting from 4.4 to 5Ghz, so I decided to reboot the computer to check the behaviour.
Again as soon as I turn it on it idles at 35/37w but when I opened again Ryzen Master it started drawing again more than 70w, so I tried to close Ryzen master but nothing happened, still 70w.
Checked task manager and no program was using the cpu more than 0.9% (nzxt cam = 0.4 and task manager = 0.8/0.9).

All of this was with PBO disabled, with PBO enabled its pegged at 70+ watts all the time, which is frustrating because PBO is great for gaming.

Edit:
Ok so with PBO enabled, scalar set to 1x the idle power consumption in the same exact situation it’s between 60 and 70 with sudden spikes to 90 for some reason that I don’t know.

 

[phanbuey]

cores boost based on usage - if you're not seeing an app reporting usage you might have virus - or bios bug. But for sure something (windows search indexing, steam updates etc.) is running in the background boosting those cores.

 

[Thimblewad]

Just for the laughs, run a quick scan with Malwarebytes.
CPU pulling that much in idle is not normal.

 

[imSebbbbb]

Just for the laughs, run a quick scan with Malwarebytes.
CPU pulling that much in idle is not normal.

I’m pretty sure it’s not a virus because first of all I have a paid antivirus and also because this behaviour was present even on a fresh windows install.

 

[Macro Device]

unless you live in a closet.

European flats are actually closet-sized by American standards. 1-bedrooms with <500 sqft of space aren't uncommon.

 

[imSebbbbb]

European flats are actually closet-sized by American standards. 1-bedrooms with <500 sqft of space aren't uncommon.

Yeah, I live in an apartment and my room is 3m x 4.5m, houses here are expensive.

 

[phanbuey]

But even so -- 30W difference shouldn't be increasing your room temperature in any material way.

~30 W adds 0.025 °C/hour in a 3 m × 4.5 m room (AI - assuming a 2.5M ceiling) with no airflow whatsoever.

 

[imSebbbbb]

But even so -- 30W difference shouldn't be increasing your room temperature in any material way.

~30 W adds 0.025 °C/hour in a 3 m × 4.5 m room (AI - assuming a 2.5M ceiling) with no airflow whatsoever.

I feel like this thread is going in the wrong direction as that is not the point, btw in the room there’s also me most of the time and u have to take into account also the gpu and the whole system, the cpu is not the only component generating heat.
Besides the main problem is the power consumption.

 

[Vya Domus]

7000 series idle pretty high, I have a custom loop and even at stock my 7900 idles at like 45C.

 

[imSebbbbb]

7000 series idle pretty high, I have a custom loop and even at stock my 7900 idles at like 45C.

But what’s your power consumption at that temperature?

 

[JIWIL]

Been mentioned several times already, but the issue isn't idle temp, it's the 70w load at "idle".

 

[phanbuey]

Been mentioned several times already, but the issue isn't idle temp, it's the 70w load at "idle".

"Idle" is exactly right

idle for 7000 series ~45W -- temp ~40-50C at idle. same as OP

light load ~70W-100W -- temp 55-70C

full load ~200W - 255W -- temp 80-95C depending on cooling.

 

[imSebbbbb]

"Idle" is exactly right

I have to be honest, all your saying is “idle” and “u have process in the background” without saying like stuff that I can actually try.
I’m not trying to be rude I’m just saying.
Of course it’s “idle” because a CPU can’t just do nothing inside an OS, there will always be something going on, the problem is that 70w while idling in the desktop (that means with no programs open, under 1% load) it’s strange and to me not normal.

 

[holyprof]

So I tried, at first the cpu was idling at 35/38w which is great but after like 5 minutes in the same state the CPU was already pulling 78w so i opened Ryzen master to check what u said and yes, 2 cores swapping around boosting from 4.4 to 5Ghz, so I decided to reboot the computer to check the behaviour.
Again as soon as I turn it on it idles at 35/37w but when I opened again Ryzen Master it started drawing again more than 70w, so I tried to close Ryzen master but nothing happened, still 70w.
Checked task manager and no program was using the cpu more than 0.9% (nzxt cam = 0.4 and task manager = 0.8/0.9).

All of this was with PBO disabled, with PBO enabled its pegged at 70+ watts all the time, which is frustrating because PBO is great for gaming.

Edit:
Ok so with PBO enabled, scalar set to 1x the idle power consumption in the same exact situation it’s between 60 and 70 with sudden spikes to 90 for some reason that I don’t know.

Just a small remark. Once my CPU was getting hot, but the top process in task manager was only using 1-2% CPU. Total CPU usage was high though!
I opened the resource monitor ( the link is on the bottom of task manager) and there it was! MsMpEng.exe, SearchIndexer.exe and MsCompatibiltyTelemetry were hogging at least 2 cores boosting them above 4GHz (from 1.73GHz "sleep"). Don't know how Windows 11 works, but I guess it's even worse with system background processes.

Another idea - if you haven't done it yet, install AMD's power plan, I think it usually comes with the chipset driver. That might help with how Windows interacts with the CPU power management.

I hope you find a solution to your problem. Even when it was 36 ºC here, my CPU was idling at 45-50 ºC with a cheap air cooler (it's an 8-core 3700X though, not a 16 core monster). Idle power is 27-32W.
I'm not using PBO and all BIOS settings are on default.

 

[phanbuey]

I have to be honest, all your saying is “idle” and “u have process in the background” without saying like stuff that I can actually try.
I’m not trying to be rude I’m just saying.
Of course it’s “idle” because a CPU can’t just do nothing inside an OS, there will always be something going on, the problem is that 70w while idling in the desktop (that means with no programs open, under 1% load) it’s strange and to me not normal.

Post your actual task manager here -- with the 70w usage.

Also try Argus monitor.... it will show you your power consumption over time so you can match it to load:.

You will see the CPU usage (bottom left) at the given power usage.

Either you have
1) a broken boost algorithm / bios that's not idling properly. (you will see 1% CPU usage and 75W power draw)
2) a program running in the background causing usage. (you will see 5-10% CPU usage and 75W power draw)

Once we can confirm which it is, it will be easier to help.

 

[imSebbbbb]

Just a small remark. Once my CPU was getting hot, but the top process in task manager was only using 1-2% CPU. Total CPU usage was high though!
I opened the resource monitor ( the link is on the bottom of task manager) and there it was! MsMpEng.exe, SearchIndexer.exe and MsCompatibiltyTelemetry were hogging at least 2 cores boosting them above 4GHz (from 1.73GHz "sleep"). Don't know how Windows 11 works, but I guess it's even worse with system background processes.

Another idea - if you haven't done it yet, install AMD's power plan, I think it usually comes with the chipset driver. That might help with how Windows interacts with the CPU power management.
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I hope you find a solution to your problem. Even when it was 36 ºC here, my CPU was idling at 45-50 ºC with a cheap air cooler (it's an 8-core 3700X though, not a 16 core monster). Idle power is 27-32W.
I'm not using PBO and all BIOS settings are on default.

I’ve installed the chipset drivers but I have no AMD power plan, where can I install it?

 

[A Computer Guy]

I’ve installed the chipset drivers but I have no AMD power plan, where can I install it?

AMD specific power plan shouldn't be needed anymore and is obsolete for Zen4 and current version of Windows but you can give it a try if you want. I forgot where to download it from but it has two different power plans in the distributed package. One for Zen/Zen+ and the other for Zen2/Zen3 cpu's if I remember correctly.

FYI I didn't see any reply to if you are seeing in Task Manager an indicated red item in the power usage column? I have found that a constantly boosting task won't have high CPU usage it will show up as a high power usage task in Task Manager. Did you see that? Can you sort by power usage and post screenshot of Task Manager?

 

[imSebbbbb]

FYI I didn't see any reply to if you are seeing in Task Manager an indicated red item in the power usage column? I have found that a constantly boosting task won't have high CPU usage it will show up as a high power usage task in Task Manager. Did you see that?

No i didn't

Post your actual task manager here -- with the 70w usage.

Also try Argus monitor.... it will show you your power consumption over time so you can match it to load:.
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You will see the CPU usage (bottom left) at the given power usage.

Either you have
1) a broken boost algorithm / bios that's not idling properly. (you will see 1% CPU usage and 75W power draw)
2) a program running in the background causing usage. (you will see 5-10% CPU usage and 75W power draw)

Once we can confirm which it is, it will be easier to help.

My graph is all over the place, idk at this point, its most of the time at 50w which is good but it's never been like this so its strange but some times with no more usage it spikes high

It’s an odd behaviour because in hwinfo it wasn’t like that, honestly it’s the first time that it does that, so I don’t think it’s very rappresentative of the problem.

I constantly looked at the cpu usage an ld it always was less than 1, only during the first 2 spikes it was over 1 (around 3/4) but it was because of me, I was closing Firefox.