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Phenom II X4 950 On The Cards

1Kurgan1 said:
Not really, the 945 and 925 run the exact same clocks, and most likely will fill in at the exact same price. They just have an added feature. Don't see how that sucks, just a better revision, it's a good thing to see, I know Intels done the same things, E0 and g0. Always nice to see improvement.
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Completely killing the model really limits resale values though, means these processors will lose their value very quickly. I would have preferred that they just wait and release the full versions right away.
 
It might kill resale value, but thats why you can just wait like I am doing. The 940 is for those who don't want to wait or for those who aren't going to toss the money at a new motherboard and DDR3. Which makes it completely worth it. It's still so tempting to me, but I must resist!
 
cdawall said:
my highend DDR fails to beat my high end DDR2 could do CL2 up to ~550mhz was beaten out by my DDR2 pushing 1200 CL4 (this set is in another PC they are D9's)
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what im getting at is clock for clock DDR1 would still whoop DDR2

Example pitting 400 MTS DDR1 at 2225 vs 800MTS DDR2 at 44410, they get the same amt of work done at same time but the DDR2 requires higher MTS to get it done, This Reminds me of how Rambus Ram worked.
 
only problem with AMD is need new platforms , like x58 and phenom with 12m cash
 
X58 came about because Intel folded and started paying NV to License SLI.
 
eidairaman1 said:
X58 came about because Intel folded and started paying NV to License SLI.
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Intel didn't/doesn't pay a cent to NVIDIA for X58 motherboards getting SLI support. It's the motherboard vendors who opt for SLI support either using the BR-03, or by licensing it. NVIDIA is the one that pushed this SLI on X58 deal through, since it doesn't have an LGA-1366 chipset and was too late in getting development support from Intel for the QuickPath Interconnect technology. Had NVIDIA not given away SLI, it would have lost gobs and gobs of market-share to AMD with ATI CrossFireX being supported by all Intel multi-GPU supportive chipsets, X58 included. All enthusiasts with Core i7 rigs would've chosen ATI Radeon accelerators for multi-GPU setups and that would've hit NVIDIA's sales.
 
so your saying this was a last minute decision for nvidia, because i always thought intel and nvidia butted heads anyway, so NV decided to go thru the board makers to get SLI on X58, well i thought that would actually cause a redflag to be put up but i guess it doesnt because the MCP is just like the audio chip they use for onboard audio, thus doesnt violate anything.
 
soo

ddr3 ... only 1333 on amd :P same performance with ddr2 1066 :D

so... wait and see
 
eidairaman1 said:
so your saying this was a last minute decision for nvidia, because i always thought intel and nvidia butted heads anyway, so NV decided to go thru the board makers to get SLI on X58, well i thought that would actually cause a redflag to be put up but i guess it doesnt because the MCP is just like the audio chip they use for onboard audio, thus doesnt violate anything.
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No, they had no choice. Without access to the technicals of QPI, they couldn't make a chipset of their own. Normally 3~4 months of development goes into making a new chipset (that's what it roughly took for them to make the nForce 780a that supports the new HyperTransport 3.0 @ 5.2 GT/s), and NVIDIA got access to QPI only a couple of weeks before Bloomfield became official. Even these few months lost without an SLI-supportive LGA-1366 chipset would've dented NVIDIA's sales. Taken that the number of people who actually end up with multi-GPU setups are lesser than the already small fraction of the market the Bloomfield created around itself, but the fact that the fastest-available desktop benching/gaming platform becomes Intel X58 + ATI CrossFireX would have definitely impact NVIDIA in other segments as well. So the simplest option was to allow motherboard manufacturers (not Intel) to optionally support SLI on their X58 offerings. You will note that not all X58 boards support SLI, and hence the dealing isn't between NVIDIA and Intel. It's between NVIDIA and the motherboard industry.
 
btarunr said:
No, they had no choice. Without access to the technicals of QPI, they couldn't make a chipset of their own. Normally 3~4 months of development goes into making a new chipset (that's what it roughly took for them to make the nForce 780a that supports the new HyperTransport 3.0 @ 5.2 GT/s), and NVIDIA got access to QPI only a couple of weeks before Bloomfield became official. Even these few months lost without an SLI-supportive LGA-1366 chipset would've dented NVIDIA's sales. Taken that the number of people who actually end up with multi-GPU setups are lesser than the already small fraction of the market the Bloomfield created around itself, but the fact that the fastest-available desktop benching/gaming platform becomes Intel X58 + ATI CrossFireX would have definitely impact NVIDIA in other segments as well. So the simplest option was to allow motherboard manufacturers (not Intel) to optionally support SLI on their X58 offerings. You will note that not all X58 boards support SLI, and hence the dealing isn't between NVIDIA and Intel. It's between NVIDIA and the motherboard industry.
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ya and intel could stop that right then and there but then i guess that would hurt Intel, the Mobo Makers, and Nvidia, wed be running Intel boards again like we did during the P1-P3.
(i know makers were out there with diff chipsets but thats and example)
 
I was planning on getting the PII 945 as it was the rumored Black Edition. But as of this announcements, now things get picky.
Which one will be my unlocked Black chip? Like most people, I'll pray for both but I highly doubt it.
How much extra will AMD charge for the 950 compared to the 945? If they charge over $100 only for those 100MHz, that would be very silly of them, that is, unless they prove to me that it can OC to 4GHz on air.

My other concern is about their chipset's next step. Will we get to see the 800 chipset series when these models are out? Or will we stick to the 790FX as highest-end for the green logo?
 
945 IS black. Paulieg had one and it was unlocked.
 
945 is black i have paulie's on the way
 
Since 945 is black, then I doubt 950 will be black as well, but I'll be praying that it's not as well and they do a double black release. That'd definitely kick ass.
 
Mega-Japan said:
Since 945 is black, then I doubt 950 will be black as well, but I'll be praying that it's not as well and they do a double black release. That'd definitely kick ass.
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it will be just like the 9850BE being replaced with the 9950BE
 
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