Acer Intros S243HLbmii W-LED Illuminated Display

Sasqui · Oct 25, 2009

Looks like it was designed by an artichoke.

It doesn't look like it's even height adjustable.

Nice specs. The LED TV's I've seen at BB are good, but not worth the price differential.

Mussels · Oct 25, 2009

around here in Au, LED screens are cheaper. 24" cold cathode screens are a few hundred $$ more than 23.6" LED screens

may just be an au thing i guess

Cuzza · Oct 25, 2009

not in NZ. mind you, aussie is known for some strange things. dingos stealing babies and stuff

Woody112 · Oct 25, 2009

Most people don't realize it but LED's are cheaper. All it is is a diode that emits light, nothing more. Cost pennies to produce. Cold cathode tubes cost nickels to produce. You get the idea, the only thing keeping LED's at the price they are is advertising and the fact that their the new's tec to get on the market. Which always draws a price premium.
Really LED panels are just flat out cheaper to manufacture. Wish I had a patent on them is all.LOL

Wile E · Oct 25, 2009

3870x2 said:
I have a 24" with 2ms and my tv is 42". Side by side, there is absolutely no difference that the human eye can detect at all whatsoever, and if you say you do, it is a lie. The current panels in production are pretty much optimal in that aspect.

Step off to the side slightly, or go above or below the center line on a Tn-Film.

And even if you do happen to be looking at both dead center, if you can't tell the picture quality difference between a Tn-film and a PVA or IPS, then you are blind.

BazookaJoe · Oct 25, 2009

Mussels said:
LED's got three advantages right now
1. cheaper
2. brighter
3. thinner screens
even if it has other flaws swansen (please, list these drawbacks - i'm curious) they have enough good reasons to make them work in the market.

To continue on this :

Another bonus of an led BACKLIGHT is that instead of a solid white plane (as in most modern panels, that results in "glowing" black areas, and hence poor contrast), some manufacturers are now making what is effectively a simple "Black & White" LED backlight screen behind the color screen so that there is only light where there should be (as the backlight screen only displays the brightness pattern of the current frame, instead of displaying the image itself).

Overall this IS a far better idea than just using a plain white backlight, as your image will appear far more balanced, and it helps to expand the effective color tone range of the monitor without having to use more expensive color layers. It's still basically a cheap trick rather than actually producing a proper output medium like OLED, but it can DEFINITELY result in better images.

And before anyone asks what I mean by a "proper" output medium - I mean one where each pixel emits it's OWN light, and there is no backlight at all, rather than the current method whereby all of the pixels are arranged in what is effectively a stained glass window, with a Backlight shining through it from behind.

BazookaJoe · Oct 25, 2009

Wile E said:
Step off to the side slightly, or go above or below the center line on a Tn-Film.

And even if you do happen to be looking at both dead center, if you can't tell the picture quality difference between a Tn-film and a PVA or IPS, then you are blind.

Must Agree - there are very noticeable discrepancies, and overall BOTH technologies are quite flawed :\

But they will be replaced eventually.. SED, OLED, some new variant of plasma.. who knows, but the entire concept of a backlight display is a fossil in the making - it will die off soon enough...

steelkane · Oct 25, 2009

I was at microcenter today & seen a AOC Led panel,, it was nice looking but seem to have bad color banding. maybe it was the vga hook up, the HDMI wasn't being used.

DaveK · Oct 25, 2009

Hmm, €240, not bad. I dig flat/slim bezels, they have a sleeker look. I agree with the speaker thing, maybe release a cheaper version that doesn't have them, I'm in the market for a 23/24" monitor, the Acer 16:9 one is €149 but I don't really like the looks of it :S nothing else in the price range though

dr emulator (madmax) · Oct 26, 2009

Mussels said:
LED's got three advantages right now

1. cheaper

2. brighter

3. thinner screens

even if it has other flaws swansen (please, list these drawbacks - i'm curious) they have enough good reasons to make them work in the market.

yes and they're less likely to short out like ccfl's are ,
i never have understood this bizaare obsesion cclf manufacturers have making them without heatsinks on the output transistors makes no sense :wtf:

:shadedshu

pr0n Inspector · Oct 28, 2009

Mussels said:
LED's got three advantages right now

1. cheaper

2. brighter

3. thinner screens

even if it has other flaws swansen (please, list these drawbacks - i'm curious) they have enough good reasons to make them work in the market.

1. Cheaper to make but don't sell cheaper = they make more money.
2. People don't want to burn their eyes. I have my monitor brightness at 37%.
3. Not really. The mixing and diffusion of light requires the screen to be reasonably thick. But LED drivers are much smaller so you do have a point here.

Mussels said:
around here in Au, LED screens are cheaper. 24" cold cathode screens are a few hundred $$ more than 23.6" LED screens

may just be an au thing i guess

16:09 monitors are almost always cheaper than 16:10 ones.

Mussels · Oct 28, 2009

pr0n: as to point 2, the lowering of the brightness is partly why they'e so power efficent: even if they used the same at 100% brightness, if one screen was at 25% and another at 100%... you know the 25% is going to save some power.

pr0n Inspector · Oct 28, 2009

Mussels said:
pr0n: as to point 2, the lowering of the brightness is partly why they'e so power efficent: even if they used the same at 100% brightness, if one screen was at 25% and another at 100%... you know the 25% is going to save some power.

Oh you meant the efficiency. I thought it was about the, you know, the "Now XXX% brighter than old model! And with free puppies!".

Mussels · Oct 28, 2009

pr0n Inspector said:
Oh you meant the efficiency. I thought it was about the, you know, the "Now XXX% brighter than old model! And with free puppies!".

brighter if you want it, more power efficient if you dont

works well, all pluses, no minus

wolf · Oct 28, 2009

Mussels said:
around here in Au, LED screens are cheaper. 24" cold cathode screens are a few hundred $$ more than 23.6" LED screens

may just be an au thing i guess

Where in Aus sells LED LCD's?

Mussels · Oct 28, 2009

wolf said:
Where in Aus sells LED LCD's?

tons of places. pretty much all samsungs use them now.

Easiest way to tell is the contrast figures, mines got a ridiculous number of 50,000:1 dynamic and 1,000:1 static - non LED are far lower than that

wolf · Oct 28, 2009

Mussels said:
tons of places. pretty much all samsungs use them now.

Easiest way to tell is the contrast figures, mines got a ridiculous number of 50,000:1 dynamic and 1,000:1 static - non LED are far lower than that

I've noticed samsung have a nac for making a kickass stand that comes with most monitors, swivel, height the lot, waaaay better than my current flimsy benq.

Still, right now I have a 28", a 24" a 19" and a 15" and no job, I'm not sure I can justify another :rolleyes:

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