Intel Ivy Bridge Dual-Core Put Through Clock-to-Clock Benches Against Sandy Bridge

[bear jesus]

I really hope that the variables in the early testing mean that we are not being shown what ivy bridge can really do, it would have been nice to see a dual threaded dual core from ivy beat a single threaded quad core from sandy but i guess this just shows once more that cores are better than threads.

Yes, I'm sure the layers will be limited to probably 3-5. Still very thin and surely not cubelike cube-like. But I bet, depending on how it's done, it may look quite odd.

apart from the usual layers used in current lithography there are no real "layers", its still pretty much a printed circuit on a flat sheet of silicone, from what i have read it really is that the ink is thicker an there is more gate material.

The true 3D stacked chips from IBM will be more cube-like. The problem is the cooling, since the density will go up tremendously. The current intel's "3D" is more like a flat fabric with wrinkles.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VyTCyizqrHs/S5rpDgnbMUI/AAAAAAAAG7s/-w5-3PR2jH4/s400/ibm3dchip.jpg

That is exactly why i dislike this 3d transistor naming as most people instantly think 3d means chips like in the picture you posted yet intel's 3d transistor make people think 3d chip an really its still very close to normal chips and techniques although an improvement of course.


I'm not saying i dislike anything about the new transistor or anything like that i just dislike how it was named and the idea it gives so many people an that idea is the kind of 3d chip that can be made in a cube or other 3d shape not just a pcb printed on a flat sheet of silicone.

 

[Maban]

Regardless, I would still like to see it. I am super into die shots.

 

[Pestilence]

Intel said IB would be 20% faster per-clock then SB.... I don't see it

1. It's an ES
2. It's an ES Dual Core

Wait a few months for some good silicone to come out. Also why would intel produce a processor thats 20% better then a processor they just released 7 months ago?

 

[bear jesus]

Regardless, I would still like to see it. I am super into die shots.

I admit i look forward to seeing some die shots from the new chips as well, i love looking at die shots for any silicone chip as even the old ones they are all amazingly complex creations that look so beautiful and with every generation they just pack more and more in to smaller and smaller spaces while getting even more complex an to me more beautiful.

Hopefully there will be some nice high res shots of ivy although I'm doubtful that the change in transistor will be visible as most die shots are not high enough res, a 500 megapixel shot of ivy bridge would be nice though .

 

[Maban]

Intel releases high resolution die shots with almost all new releases. How's this for you? Or this? There's a chance we could see a small change at this size.

 

[bear jesus]

Intel releases high resolution die shots with almost all new releases.

True but they are only a few megapixels i thought, or at least ones i have been looking have been , i would love a 100mp+ shot but i have never found one, my assumption was they did not release anything anywhere near that large as that's kind of a silly size to most plus the huge file size.

Yes there is some great detailed shots available but come on, you know you would look at a 100mp+ die shot if you could

 

[Maban]

100MP+ spread out over 25 bezel-less 2560x1600 screens. Oh my god, if I saw that, I would just die.

 

[bear jesus]

100MP+ spread out over 25 bezel-less 2560x1600 screens. Oh my god, If I saw that, I would just die.

that would be so beautiful but i have a feeling the cost of the screens would be enough to give me a heart attack.

I hope Intel really hypes up the new transistor as ivy bridge comes closer to release so there will be more information and maybe even some close up shots to show off the transistors themselves although that last bit may be a little too hopeful.

 

[Maban]

Like this? http://download.intel.com/newsroom/kits/22nm/images/Intel-22nm_Transistor_2.jpg

 

[bear jesus]

Yea i saw that but i thought it was just an example of some of the new transistors and not truly part of a CPU die, but have i taken the image the wrong way?

Once pictures get so small i get easily confused as there is so little context, I assumed due to the gaps in what i assumed was the conductive material it was not a circuit, what i was hoping for was a shot like that of the ivy bridge die but have i been a dumb ass and already looked at the shot i wanted?

 

[Maban]

As far as I can tell it's just an example. But who knows, they could have pulled a fast one.

 

[bear jesus]

Ok then i can still have my hope but really as they have shown the transistors themselves already i doubt they would have a reason to show them off on a die.

But i so can't wait to find out how these transistors effect the CPU's, there is so much more gate material it would be great if it makes a big difference to power consumption or max speed/overclocking although as it comes with a die shrink i guess it's going to be hard to judge how much comes from the shrink and how much comes from the new transistor.

 

[antuk15]

1. It's an ES
2. It's an ES Dual Core

Wait a few months for some good silicone to come out. Also why would intel produce a processor thats 20% better then a processor they just released 7 months ago?

1. You should still see some form of performance advtange
2. He run Super PI which is single threaded so that Dual core vs Quad argument meens sweet FA...

 

[Maban]

Ok then i can still have my hope but really as they have shown the transistors themselves already i doubt they would have a reason to show them off on a die.

But i so can't wait to find out how these transistors effect the CPU's, there is so much more gate material it would be great if it makes a big difference to power consumption or max speed/overclocking although as it comes with a die shrink i guess it's going to be hard to judge how much comes from the shrink and how much comes from the new transistor.

According to the TAITRA report, 3-D technology boosts the density of transistors in a single chip by up to 1,000 times. The 3-D devices are also expected to consume about 50 percent less energy. -EETimes

 

[bear jesus]

According to the TAITRA report, 3-D technology boosts the density of transistors in a single chip by up to 1,000 times. The 3-D devices are also expected to consume about 50 percent less energy. -EETimes

If the power saving is near 50% then i would assume 4ghz+ while using current TDP's would be easy so that is awesome

But the 1000 times density kind of confuses me as it seams too much, i may be far off but would 1000 times denser mean that if they used the new transistor to make a CPU with the same die area as sandy bridge (216 mm2?) it could fit 915 billion transistors in that space instead of 915 million? are these truly 1000 times smaller than the current transistors Intel uses?

I never noticed anything about size difference in the TPU news article on the transistors although that was months ago so i may have just not noticed or forgotten

 

[Dent1]

1. You should still see some form of performance advtange
2. He run Super PI which is single threaded so that Dual core vs Quad argument meens sweet FA...

You did see a performance advantage. The Ivy Dual Core scored almost the same as the Sandy Quadcore, that is an advantage alone. The fact it's also a unfinished engineering sample speaks volumes.

Even single threaded applications can benefit from multiple cores, because the additional cores can carry out processing on background applications and hence allowing the main processor to compute SuperPI. Hence why the Ivy is slightly behind.

 

[Melvis]

Ivy Bridge is just the "Tick" in Intel's scheme. We won't see any great improvements till the "Tock" and Haswell.

Also it's a dual core vs a quad core.

http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Intel-Tick-Tock.jpg

Does the quad core have HT?

 

[Pestilence]

Does the quad core have HT?

The one they tested does not

 

[jpierce55]

yes it looks like another 20%-25% where are the days that we got 100 % or at least 50% from
one gen to the other now its moving slower and slower the only winner here is the company
they use less silcon per cpu the client get 20% only .

its to soon to tell but it looks like its legit

We don't need as big of leaps anyway. Look how many people are still running oc'ed Core Duo's, myself included.

I would love to see any gain with a 20% power consumption reduction.

 

[faramir]

What I'm hoping for is that the massive power/heat savings from the die shrink + 3d will give us ridiculously high overclocks. I just worry we might be held back by durability issues.

What I'm hoping for is vastly reduced power consumption. I don't need super duper overclocked CPU, I want one that runs cooler, perhaps even with passive cooling, yet still perform well enough for everyday tasks (think early C2Duo or C2Quad kind of performance).

 

[Makaveli]

Japanese , Chinese WHO CARES ? They are all the same to me as I can not READ any of it any way . It is always some foreigner NEVER some one in the USA NEVER ! Never some one that we can trust NEVER ! Not till they hit the main stream market that is !

If you think really hard you should be able to answer your own question!