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Why Big Media Really Shut Down MegaUpload: To Kill The Competition

I love the excuse to hate on the U.S. when New Zealand is a sovereign nation and didn't have to comply with the extradition request. Or no one even gives the US the benefit of the doubt that these guys might be guilty. Instead all we see is a vast conspiracy with nothing but circumstantial evidence. Whats next the RIAA sponsored HARRP to shoot death rays at software pirates in China? I mean we have as much proof of that as we do this.
 
TheMailMan78 said:
I love the excuse to hate on the U.S. when New Zealand is a sovereign nation and didn't have to comply with the extradition request. Or no one even gives the US the benefit of the doubt that these guys might be guilty. Instead all we see is a vast conspiracy with nothing but circumstantial evidence. Whats next the RIAA sponsored HARRP to shoot death rays at software pirates in China? I mean we have as much proof of that as we do this.
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So you seriously don't know how much of a "hand" the RIAA and MPAA have in New Zealand, through their local "counterparts" as well as local lobbyists?
 
entropy13 said:
So you seriously don't know how much of a "hand" the RIAA and MPAA have in New Zealand, through their local "counterparts" as well as local lobbyists?
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Neither do you but you ASSUME they have vast power yet have zero proof. But I know logic and critical thinking don't apply to ideology. I wonder why Wiki and Google don't protest by going black for these martyrs of the cyber world? Hmmmmmm.

Some of us still like to have all the facts before we pass judgment and not follow populous ideas like sheep.
 
Frick said:
It is true, according to qubit. There's not a hint of doubt. There's no evidence of course, but that hardly matters. :shadedshu
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of course it doesn't matter.
when you get innocently accused of murder and the court says:
"well, there is no real evidence here, but because we don't like how you use the crapper, we'll just give you the death sentence!"

good times... :rolleyes:
 
gorg_graggel said:
of course it doesn't matter.
when you get innocently accused of murder and the court says:
"well, there is no real evidence here, but because we don't like how you use the crapper, we'll just give you the death sentence!"

good times... :rolleyes:
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You got it the wrong way. There is evidence that Dotcom knew about pirated content and all that jazz, but it's only speculation "Big Media" made their move because Medaupload was launching a new music service. But to qubit, such things does not matter. He has made up his mind and now he wants us to agree with him. It's how this works.
 
Frick said:
You got it the wrong way. There is evidence that Dotcom knew about pirated content and all that jazz, but it's only speculation "Big Media" made their move because Medaupload was launching a new music service. But to qubit, such things does not matter. He has made up his mind and now he wants us to agree with him. It's how this works.
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do you always shoot the messenger?
 
TheMailMan78 said:
Neither do you but you ASSUME they have vast power yet have zero proof. But I know logic and critical thinking don't apply to ideology. I wonder why Wiki and Google don't protest by going black for these martyrs of the cyber world? Hmmmmmm.

Some of us still like to have all the facts before we pass judgment and not follow populous ideas like sheep.
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I don't assume, since there was legislation of a three-strikes bill (similar to what France now has, enforced by HADOPI) relatively recently in New Zealand. And there isn't exactly that much "NZ intellectual property" to "protect" from piracy anyway. Especially considering the "top pirated" data from NZ too.

Oh it's actually in force now, as the Copyright Amendment Act of 2011.
http://torrentfreak.com/kiwis-protest-new-anti-piracy-law-110421/

Then there's the cable from Wikileaks - US to NZ: "We'll fund anti-piracy campaign"

Unless of course those cables are false, eh MM? :laugh:

EDIT: inb4 MM says TorrentFreak is a biased source (as if there's a truly unbiased source)
 
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TheMailMan78 said:
There is a difference between a messenger and a chicken little.
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oh c'mon, just because he didn't explicitly state that it's questionable, doesn't mean anything.
actually the first line of the news tells you that he just forwards news.

Frick said:
Fair enough. Show me evidence that they made their move for that reason and I will change my stance.
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which is, what my first post in the thread was about... ;)
 
gorg_graggel said:
which is, what my first post in the thread was about... ;)
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I apologize, I totally missunderstood that post. I read it a few more times and now I think i'm on the ball. I'm sorry for that.
 
if he were writing something you agreed with, there'd be no problem - but because you don't agree with him it's a travesty. if W1z didn't want it, he'd not be a news poster. get over yourself!

as for this: i don't know how much of it is true - but i DO know that they are much more afraid of competition than they are of piracy. the industry itself is corrupt and without you at least admitting that we can't have an actual conversation.


gorg_graggel said:
oh dear, was it so badly worded?
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it was perfectly clear - Frick was too busy ranting against Qubit to actually parse your words.
 
Frick said:
I apologize, I totally missunderstood that post. I read it a few more times and now I think i'm on the ball. I'm sorry for that.
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oh dear, is it so badly worded?
i'm no native english speaker, so sorry if i made it hard to understand...
 
digibucc said:
it was perfectly clear - Frick was too busy ranting against Qubit to actually parse your words.
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yeah, it's ok. he apologized. no need for any more quarrel here... :toast:

oops, sorry for making a new reply instead of editing...
 
To quote an good, ol' game.

"Corporations have more power than the governments".
 
TheMailMan78 said:
Nevermind the e-mails between the employees bragging about how they deliver pirated goods via their service. Or the fact they disabled the "abuse" button that would only remove a single link to a pirated file not the pirated file itself. Naaaaaa. These guys were angles with 18 cars and licenses plates that said "EVIL," "MAFIA" and "GUILTY." I'm sure the racketeering charge is made up too.
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ANGLE? like a Angler? or right angle? LOL
 
There are multiple things wrong here.

First is again, it wasn't a US based business. So whatever happened should have happened with the legal system in the home land of the mother country.

Second, illegal content or not the thing that bothers me is theh arrested and assume guilt first and make him prove his innocence, exactly the ideas the US is supposedly freeing other countries from.

Third, we have free speech on the internet, this means we CAN question and have these theories and talk about it. TNever question the correct"man" and soon it will be correct and right for him to enslave you.
 
Steevo said:
First is again, it wasn't a US based business. So whatever happened should have happened with the legal system in the home land of the mother country.
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i don't see anything wrong with governments working together.
it's just hypocritical that mostly only crimes get prosecuted that are based on what is currently on their agenda...
 
digibucc said:
that's an attack? sorry, but i disagree. it was an assessment.
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and you don't think, that kind of assessment is rather judgmental, which potentially leads to more QQ, because of it's disrespectful nature? people tend to take such things personal...

my impression was you're basically saying: "...because he's a dick!"

but maybe that's just my lack of linguistic ability...if so, i apologize...

maybe we should end this and focus on the topic at hand...

(ps: gawd, that's so awkward...i sound like a dad teaching his kids how to behave... :p )
 
People, that's your freedom taken. We all got enslaved, don't we have rights? Do we conspire something... against god or state?
@TheMailMan78 - man you are making preemptive PR here. Conspiracy theorist are RIAA, cause they conspire against a legit business, seeing it as a competitor. What they did is effectively killing that business and dragging people in court for some expensive years of proving their innocence. As a direct result of that millions of users lost their data on MegaUpload servers. Are they all pirates? Do RIAA have proof for that, and what kind of proof is that - stated in Court decisions or some hypothetical assumption of guilt. In my country , some 55 years ago 20 000 people were killed and then , 12 months after burial in unmarked graves, some of the were tried in Court post-mortem for conspiring against the state. Those are Dark Ages man... !
 
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