• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

AMD Adopts 28 nm Bulk Manufacturing in 2013

Joined
May 6, 2005
Messages
2,792 (0.40/day)
Location
Tre, Suomi Finland
System Name Ladpot ◦◦◦ Desktop
Processor R7 5800H ◦◦◦ i7 4770K, watercooled
Motherboard HP 88D2 ◦◦◦ Asus Z87-C2 Maximus VI Formula
Cooling Mixed gases ◦◦◦ Fuzion V1, MCW60/R2, DDC1/DDCT-01s top, PA120.3, EK200, D12SL-12, liq.metal TIM
Memory 2× 8GB DDR4-3200 ◦◦◦ 2× 8GB Crucial Ballistix Tactical LP DDR3-1600
Video Card(s) RTX 3070 ◦◦◦ heaps of dead GPUs in the garage
Storage Samsung 980 PRO 2TB ◦◦◦ Samsung 840Pro 256@178GB + 4× WD Red 2TB in RAID10 + LaCie Blade Runner 4TB
Display(s) HP ZR30w 30" 2560×1600 (WQXGA) H2-IPS
Case Lian Li PC-A16B
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Corsair AX860i
Mouse Logitech MX Master 2S / Contour RollerMouse Red+
Keyboard Logitech Elite Keyboard from 2006 / Contour Balance Keyboard / Logitech diNovo Edge
Software W11 x64 ◦◦◦ W10 x64
Benchmark Scores It does boot up? I think.
In related news, Intel's latest chips are 65nm. That is, Z77 is 65nm.

Would be nice if the thread title was specified for what use AMD will adopt 28nm.
'Cause there seems to be a lot of people who just read the title and rushed to comment.
 
Joined
Jul 10, 2010
Messages
1,229 (0.25/day)
Location
USA, Arizona
System Name SolarwindMobile
Processor AMD FX-9800P RADEON R7, 12 COMPUTE CORES 4C+8G
Motherboard Acer Wasp_BR
Cooling It's Copper.
Memory 2 x 8GB SK Hynix/HMA41GS6AFR8N-TF
Video Card(s) ATI/AMD Radeon R7 Series (Bristol Ridge FP4) [ACER]
Storage TOSHIBA MQ01ABD100 1TB + KINGSTON RBU-SNS8152S3128GG2 128 GB
Display(s) ViewSonic XG2401 SERIES
Case Acer Aspire E5-553G
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC255
Power Supply PANASONIC AS16A5K
Mouse SteelSeries Rival
Keyboard Ducky Channel Shine 3
Software Windows 10 Home 64-bit (Version 1607, Build 14393.969)
In related news, Intel's latest chips are 65nm. That is, Z77 is 65nm.

Would be nice if the thread title was specified for what use AMD will adopt 28nm.
'Cause there seems to be a lot of people who just read the title and rushed to comment
28-nm is considered a super-process just like 65-nm. Everything will eventually use it.

For now:
CPU
GPU
APU
Future Chipsets

Also, thanks for the showing the southbridge(PCH) specs for the Z77 it is nice to compare it to the southbridge(FCH) from the A85X(Hudson D4)
 
Last edited:

faramir

New Member
Joined
May 20, 2011
Messages
203 (0.04/day)
Intel's already got working 22nm parts and will have 14nm process perfected by 2013. Why does AMD keep making press releases that only show how far behind it is?

Intel's 14 nm chips aren't due out until 2014 (which will mostlikely be very late 2014, if I may add).
 
Joined
Sep 15, 2011
Messages
6,457 (1.41/day)
Processor Intel® Core™ i7-13700K
Motherboard Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX
Cooling Noctua NH-D15
Memory 32GB(2x16) DDR5@6600MHz G-Skill Trident Z5
Video Card(s) ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 3080 AMP Holo
Storage 2TB SK Platinum P41 SSD + 4TB SanDisk Ultra SSD + 500GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD
Display(s) Acer Predator X34 3440x1440@100Hz G-Sync
Case NZXT PHANTOM410-BK
Audio Device(s) Creative X-Fi Titanium PCIe
Power Supply Corsair 850W
Mouse Logitech Hero G502 SE
Software Windows 11 Pro - 64bit
Benchmark Scores 30FPS in NFS:Rivals
With a smaller share of the market, it's only natural that they cannot progress as quickly as Intel does, as the dollars for R&D just aren't equal. Expecting similar technology development on an exponentially smaller budget just doesn't seem realistic to me,...

This should be the thing of TSMC, not AMD. AMD is fabless as far as I am aware...So TSMC should r&d in better tech, not AMD imo.
 

cadaveca

My name is Dave
Joined
Apr 10, 2006
Messages
17,232 (2.63/day)
This should be the thing of TSMC, not AMD. AMD is fabless as far as I am aware...So TSMC should r&d in better tech, not AMD imo.

AMD still has controlling interest in GloFo. They are seperate companies, but what the two do is tightly linked. AMD is GloFo's biggest customer.

And as such, AMD still needs to push GloFo to innovate, however they can, and AMD is already doing so, IMHO. There are perhpas a few details they have missed, but Mark Papermaster is still relatively new, and we won't truly see his effect on the company for another 18 months or so. At least he is outting info and marketing, something AMD has lacked greatly in teh past. Hopefully news like this continues.
 

btarunr

Editor & Senior Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 9, 2007
Messages
46,276 (7.69/day)
Location
Hyderabad, India
System Name RBMK-1000
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
Motherboard ASUS ROG Strix B450-E Gaming
Cooling DeepCool Gammax L240 V2
Memory 2x 8GB G.Skill Sniper X
Video Card(s) Palit GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER GameRock
Storage Western Digital Black NVMe 512GB
Display(s) BenQ 1440p 60 Hz 27-inch
Case Corsair Carbide 100R
Audio Device(s) ASUS SupremeFX S1220A
Power Supply Cooler Master MWE Gold 650W
Mouse ASUS ROG Strix Impact
Keyboard Gamdias Hermes E2
Software Windows 11 Pro
AMD still has controlling interest in GloFo.

No, AMD is completely divested in Global Foundries. It's just another client.
 
Last edited:

cadaveca

My name is Dave
Joined
Apr 10, 2006
Messages
17,232 (2.63/day)
No, AMD is completely divested in Global Foundries. It's just another client.

LoL WHUT!


:roll:



I thought they had to retain that control in order to keep X86 liscence?

They did not retain voting control? I haz big huge confuse..I knew they were selling off some GloFo equity in ?March?
 
Joined
Mar 10, 2010
Messages
11,878 (2.31/day)
Location
Manchester uk
System Name RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II
Processor Amd R5 5900X/ Intel 8750H
Motherboard Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus
Cooling 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK
Memory Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB
Video Card(s) Powercolour RX7900XT Reference/Rtx 2060
Storage Silicon power 2TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme
Display(s) Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dell shiter
Case Lianli 011 dynamic/strix scar2
Audio Device(s) Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset
Power Supply corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock
Mouse Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless
Keyboard Roccat Aimo 120
VR HMD Oculus rift
Software Win 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506
28-nm GlobalFoundries vs 28-nm TSMC vs 22-nm Intel vs 22-nm AMD-IBM Foundry partnership(before GlobalFoundries was sold)
SRAM Cell Size:
GloFo => ~0.120 um²
TSMC => ~0.127 um²
Intel => ~0.092-0.108 um²
AMD-IBM Fishkill => ~0.1 um²

AMD's foundries aren't that far behind... and since Rambus is working with GlobalFoundries to shrink and speed up SRAM Cells we can expect Steamroller to have faster and bigger L1, L2, L3 caches.

all this and much more can be met at 28nm easily, TSV 3d stacked chips are on the way and with them a massive increase in on die cache imho, as in the same space much more can be built, im sure i heard AMD were sniffing around this tech and imho the ps4 and Xbox 7weva are awaiting this tech.
 
Joined
Jul 10, 2010
Messages
1,229 (0.25/day)
Location
USA, Arizona
System Name SolarwindMobile
Processor AMD FX-9800P RADEON R7, 12 COMPUTE CORES 4C+8G
Motherboard Acer Wasp_BR
Cooling It's Copper.
Memory 2 x 8GB SK Hynix/HMA41GS6AFR8N-TF
Video Card(s) ATI/AMD Radeon R7 Series (Bristol Ridge FP4) [ACER]
Storage TOSHIBA MQ01ABD100 1TB + KINGSTON RBU-SNS8152S3128GG2 128 GB
Display(s) ViewSonic XG2401 SERIES
Case Acer Aspire E5-553G
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC255
Power Supply PANASONIC AS16A5K
Mouse SteelSeries Rival
Keyboard Ducky Channel Shine 3
Software Windows 10 Home 64-bit (Version 1607, Build 14393.969)
Joined
Mar 23, 2005
Messages
4,054 (0.58/day)
Location
Ancient Greece, Acropolis (Time Lord)
System Name RiseZEN Gaming PC
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X @ Auto
Motherboard Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming ATX Motherboard
Cooling Corsair H115i Elite Capellix AIO, 280mm Radiator, Dual RGB 140mm ML Series PWM Fans
Memory G.Skill TridentZ 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4 3200
Video Card(s) ASUS DUAL RX 6700 XT DUAL-RX6700XT-12G
Storage Corsair Force MP500 480GB M.2 & MP510 480GB M.2 - 2 x WD_BLACK 1TB SN850X NVMe 1TB
Display(s) ASUS ROG Strix 34” XG349C 180Hz 1440p + Asus ROG 27" MG278Q 144Hz WQHD 1440p
Case Corsair Obsidian Series 450D Gaming Case
Audio Device(s) SteelSeries 5Hv2 w/ Sound Blaster Z SE
Power Supply Corsair RM750x Power Supply
Mouse Razer Death-Adder + Viper 8K HZ Ambidextrous Gaming Mouse - Ergonomic Left Hand Edition
Keyboard Logitech G910 Orion Spectrum RGB Gaming Keyboard
Software Windows 11 Pro - 64-Bit Edition
Benchmark Scores I'm the Doctor, Doctor Who. The Definition of Gaming is PC Gaming...
Intel's already got working 22nm parts and will have 14nm process perfected by 2013. Why does AMD keep making press releases that only show how far behind it is?
Now that is a ?? Statement. Intel is a lot larger than AMD. Something like this, despite it being small is quite big for AMD. And no AMD is not far behind, quite the opposite. AMD’s been leading the PC industry ever since 2004. Where AMD has lead, Intel followed and still follows. Both companies need each other to ensure we get the best possible prices in a fair competitive environment.
No, AMD is completely divested in Global Foundries. It's just another client.
Agreed, though I believe AMD going fabless was a big mistake IMO.
 
Joined
Jul 10, 2010
Messages
1,229 (0.25/day)
Location
USA, Arizona
System Name SolarwindMobile
Processor AMD FX-9800P RADEON R7, 12 COMPUTE CORES 4C+8G
Motherboard Acer Wasp_BR
Cooling It's Copper.
Memory 2 x 8GB SK Hynix/HMA41GS6AFR8N-TF
Video Card(s) ATI/AMD Radeon R7 Series (Bristol Ridge FP4) [ACER]
Storage TOSHIBA MQ01ABD100 1TB + KINGSTON RBU-SNS8152S3128GG2 128 GB
Display(s) ViewSonic XG2401 SERIES
Case Acer Aspire E5-553G
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC255
Power Supply PANASONIC AS16A5K
Mouse SteelSeries Rival
Keyboard Ducky Channel Shine 3
Software Windows 10 Home 64-bit (Version 1607, Build 14393.969)
Agreed, though I believe AMD going fabless was a big mistake IMO.
There was a lot of things that AMD could have done differently.

1. Let JHH become CEO(with the purchase of Nvidia) <-- if this happened the GPGPU market would be a lot better(No Xeon Phi abomination instead we would have had Intel Southern Islands and AMD Kepler)
2. Kept GlobalFoundries
3. Kept NAND Flash(especially now since everyone else is making them)
4. Allow non-reference chipsets
5. Kept soundcards(personally added their own soundcards instead of Realtek into the boards)
 
Top