Fan suggestion X1950XT

[x800professor]

yeah, i have had a few VERY nice crt's and infact NO lcd to date can compair with a highe end crt for pure quility.

i have owned mitsubishi diamontron 17 and 19in monotors, STELLER montotors, far crisper then even this 21.1 gaming lcd, only reasion i use the gaming lcd is that over the years my 19in diamontron, 19in kds, 19in hitchi(great prof monotors) all have taken damnage to the tube, stupid people trying to clean them with the wrong stuff(scrubby pads insted of just a damp cloths mostly)

there are 3 important things people dont tend to realise about crt vs lcd.
1. dot pitch: this is VERY important for clairty, the closer the dots are to eachother the clearer the image is, lcd's even extreamly expencive ones are higher dotpitch then a good crt, infact this ones got .25 dotpitch and my crt has .24 and i can tell the diffrance, mainly beacuse the dots on lcds are SQUARE so u can see each one of you are wihtin 2 feet of your monotor.
2. refresh rate: now this does effect lcd's but in a diffrent way then crt's, if you are using a digital dvi connection you need to FORCE higher then "stock" refresh on you lcd, my 21.1in uses 60hz at 1600x1200 over VGA, but that setting carrys over to digital for some reasion, when i force 120hz it (almost) totaly removes taring in windows and games, refresh rate is the speed at witch the image is refreshed onto the screen, with a crt you want att least 75hz at 1600x1200, 85+ is perfect.

a crt unlike an lcd wont show taring even at lower refreshrates on desktop or in game as long as vsync is enabled, this is another advantege of good crt's.

3. maturity, crts are FAR more mature as a display tech, no dead pixels are possable, they tend to last 10+years if they arent abused
hell i have 15in crt's that are from the early 90's and even 2 OLD ASS 12in crts that are from some of the first pc's ever made, they still work 100% perfect.

lcds are the new kid on the block thats why you see dead pixels,poor dotpitches, and other little issues.

oh b4 anybody brings on contrast ratio, crts (decent to good quility ones) have ajustiable contrast my old diamontron 17in puts this lcd to shame, and that units over 7 years old.

The Dissadvantege, side, crts are larger and bulkyer, this is why lcd's have taken off so much in home use, tho in my exp not so much in gfx related fields, i have done contract work for a couple companys what did alot of graphical work, and they dont use even high end lcds for the work, they use high end crt's, when i asked them about it the reasion was some of what i stated above, better dot pitch gives better clarity and fine detail, no refresh issues, and no dead pixels(there where others but those are the ones that stuck with me)

money wasnt the issue but they did mention that for the price of a decent 20in lcd they could get 2 high end crt's that would run at 2048 res with a high refreshrate.


x800prof if you want a cheap way to replace that 17in pos try www.merkortech.com , choose accurat it, they have STUNNING deals on large high quility crt's, recently someobyd i know got a 24in sony widescreen crt for 375bucks FREE SHIPING!!!!!
last one i ordered was a 21in ibm crt with DVI-D(digital dvi) connection for a client, shes quite happy with it and it was all of 175bucks free shiping

some of them acctualy have almost the same depth as my 17in , the 21in ibm is between the size of my 17in and 19in in depth, and was STUNNING for clarity, quite shocking how nice it was, if i had the $ i would have ordered 2 more of them for me

Don't forget power consumption. That's another drawback of CRTs. This one slurps down 155W. Everyone who has ever used this monitor loves it. Check this out http://www.pcworld.com/zoom?id=101777&page=2&type=top100chart&zoomIdx=1
They have one on accurateIT, but its $229. I got this one on Ebay with a 2 year warranty for something like $120. It's in perfect condition. The biggest drawback is the pure size of this thing. I won't have to worry about native resolution on this, and that is great. I know that X1950XT won't be able to do 2048x1536 in too many games, but it doesn't matter.

By the way, most of the dead pixels today are usually caused by a speck of dust. It's not necessarily that its a "young" technology, it's just that it is rather costly to build them in a totally dust free room or toss out every panel with a single dead pixel. Now 5-6 years ago, most of the dead pixels were the result of manufacturing errors, but today it's mostly dust. That's why you usually don't see clusters of dead pixels very much anymore. You'll usually just see one or two. HOWEVER, a single dead pixel would drive me insane. It's one of the big reasons I don't have an LCD on anything but my old Toshiba P25-S607 laptop. Not a single dead pixel on that, hurray!

 

[Wile E]

One other negative to a CRT is the increased eye strain. My CRT gives me headaches after about 2-3hrs. No such thing with the LCDs on my Macs.

 

[AshenSugar]

most laptop screens have zero dead pixels in my exp.

yeah you added something i forgot, native res, on an lcd the native res is IMPORTANT, on an lcd non native res's look BAD, on crt, well any res you choose will look as crisp and clear as any other

that bothers me on this one, i got a few OLD games that run at lower res's and dont support 1600x1200 and i loose quility at non native res

 

[AshenSugar]

One other negative to a CRT is the increased eye strain. My CRT gives me headaches after about 2-3hrs. No such thing with the LCDs on my Macs.

use a higher refresh rate, thats your problem eye strain is caused by poor refreshrate, thats not an issue with digital dvi crt's.

your eye is sencitive to the "flicker" that your refreshrate is causing at 1280x1024 and up you want 75-85hs MINIMUM to keep from getting a headake, depends on the monotor, higher is better.
with ditital connections you have less worrie as he monotor isnt usign the old style refresh rate setup it can be sent 120hz and still display it just fine even if the native 1600x1200 hs is 75hz(like my 19in kds) u can dissable the "only show supported" mode and try settings higher then stock, most will do 1-3 settings higher then they are official rated for.

 

[Wile E]

use a higher refresh rate, thats your problem eye strain is caused by poor refreshrate, thats not an issue with digital dvi crt's.

your eye is sencitive to the "flicker" that your refreshrate is causing at 1280x1024 and up you want 75-85hs MINIMUM to keep from getting a headake, depends on the monotor, higher is better.
with ditital connections you have less worrie as he monotor isnt usign the old style refresh rate setup it can be sent 120hz and still display it just fine even if the native 1600x1200 hs is 75hz(like my 19in kds) u can dissable the "only show supported" mode and try settings higher then stock, most will do 1-3 settings higher then they are official rated for.

Mines currently at 85Hz, but thanks for the tip, Ashen. I didn't think to disable the checkbox. Gonna give it a go when I get back on that machine.(God, what have I come to when I even want to "overclock" my monitor. )

 

[AshenSugar]

u may also need to dissable ddc to allow higher refreshed rate, dont use the warcat drivers they screw up manual setting of refreshrates over stock, remove all the options over stock, quite annoing....

 

[x800professor]

Mines currently at 85Hz, but thanks for the tip, Ashen. I didn't think to disable the checkbox. Gonna give it a go when I get back on that machine.(God, what have I come to when I even want to "overclock" my monitor. )

If you can find the maximum pixel clock frequency (or video signal bandwidth) for your monitor, you can get a good idea of what your monitor can do.

Use this to figure out if your monitor can handle it.

http://www.csgnetwork.com/videosignalcalc.html

Mine is 340MHz, so if I want to see if I can do 1600x1200x100(100=refresh rate) I type that in and find that takes 288MHz to do it. I should be fine.

 

[x800professor]

By the way, the Horizontal Scanning Frequency is another thing to check, but you should be ok in that department if you're ok in the other area.

 

[x800professor]

I better get my x1950XT back soon. I tried playing oblivion using the oldblivion mod. Wow, it looked like I was playing an RPG version of the original DOOM. This card is so incredibly weak. I wonder what they actually do with a card when it is RMA'd anyway. Do they just check it over for physical damage or do they actually pop it in something and test it?

 

[tkpenalty]

They check for physical damage or voltmods. Then they toss it in the bin/take the cooler and reuse for other purposes (recycling). Then they send you a new GPU.

 

[AshenSugar]

newegg tests them, but not normaly b4 they ship a replacment, thats why u can get open box cards/boards/devices that work flawless the truely damnaged ones get sent back to the maker then the replacments are sold as openbox as well

 

[x800professor]

newegg tests them, but not normaly b4 they ship a replacment, thats why u can get open box cards/boards/devices that work flawless the truely damnaged ones get sent back to the maker then the replacments are sold as openbox as well

That's what I was hoping for. Maybe I'll get a better overclocker this time. That one refused to go above 665 and remain stable no matter how high I put the fan. A little extra voltage didn't help anything.

 

[x800professor]

Newegg is being rather slow with this RMA. The received it yesterday morning and it is still on step 1. I'm not getting that card back this week.

 

[AshenSugar]

its the univerce trying to teach you a lession, its saying you sent back a perfectly fine card so you gotta wait

 

[x800professor]

its the univerce trying to teach you a lession, its saying you sent back a perfectly fine card so you gotta wait

Maybe not. Some of the problems I had with that card haven't happened since. It crashed when I went to slide show mode...or did anything else that used video at all. It doesn't do that now.

 

[x800professor]

Oh...my...god. Memtest for 5 hours, no errors. About an hour after I turn off memtest, I go to start up the calculator and the computer suddenly freezes. Then, no matter what I did, I get no post. I cleared the CMOS and everything, but got nothing. Then I remove one stick of ram, nothing. Then I switch the sticks and, bam! It works. Ok, memtest has been worthless to me for this computer. I've heard that this motherboard kills ram. Well, there goes another stick.

DO NOT BUY THE EVGA 680i MOTHERBOARD, IT IS A PILE OF GARBAGE.

 

[AshenSugar]

i dont do intel on my parts and i sure as hell wouldnt buy EVGA branded mobo's eather way lol.

even if i dont get the bench results that c2d get, guess what, i still game great and my system cost alot less to build

and yes i have seen reports of a few intel boards recently being ram killers, even a couple reports of cpu killing boards....nasty stuff......only reports like that i have seen for amd was the old ULI chipset asrock board and most times ppl that had problems had psu's with unclean volteges, saw one guy whos psu was "name brand" (aspire) who was just sure it was the board, he had gone thru 4 boards and 3 cpus and blamed the board, then he got an intel p-d setup and his psu blew frying his board/chip/ram/hdd's/opticals/keyboard/mouse/webcam......it was funny/ironic(moronic)

well good luck, hope you can get it worked out, seems your mobo/ram is to blame not your videocard

 

[pt]

even if i dont get the bench results that c2d get, guess what, i still game great and my system cost alot less to build

exactly my toughts when buying parts

 

[AshenSugar]

pt, i have alwase felt "why pay more for the same or neer same performace"

sure i could encode/recode a little faster, but so what, i normaly start recodes on my main rig when im doing other stuff or run them in the background, dosnt take that long they run at 2-3x

gaming, well i put my 3500+@2.9gz(its fully stable at 3 but i want to get a better cooler b4 i hold it at that for good) with x1900xtx against my buddys c2d rig with the same card, farcry, he had NO advantege, ut2k4 same deal, the only game i saw with him having an advantege was oblivion, and its a pig of a port.....horribly unoptimized....

oh and he got a boost with quake4 smp patch , but still didnt out perform me by much( maby 5fps at 1600x1200 aa/af/hdr all the goodies cranked up with att )

 

[x800professor]

pt, i have alwase felt "why pay more for the same or neer same performace"

sure i could encode/recode a little faster, but so what, i normaly start recodes on my main rig when im doing other stuff or run them in the background, dosnt take that long they run at 2-3x

gaming, well i put my 3500+@2.9gz(its fully stable at 3 but i want to get a better cooler b4 i hold it at that for good) with x1900xtx against my buddys c2d rig with the same card, farcry, he had NO advantege, ut2k4 same deal, the only game i saw with him having an advantege was oblivion, and its a pig of a port.....horribly unoptimized....

oh and he got a boost with quake4 smp patch , but still didnt out perform me by much( maby 5fps at 1600x1200 aa/af/hdr all the goodies cranked up with att )

I haven't used intel since a PIII 450. I hated netburst with a burning passion. However, I'm no fanboy, so I figured I'd buy the processor with the most performance for the money. The e6600 beats ANY AMD CPU out there. However, in 7 years of using AMD the biggest problem I ever had was a non-functioning USB controller on one motherboard. I've had nothing but problems with this.

 

[Zalmann]

Oh...my...god. Memtest for 5 hours, no errors. About an hour after I turn off memtest, I go to start up the calculator and the computer suddenly freezes. Then, no matter what I did, I get no post. I cleared the CMOS and everything, but got nothing. Then I remove one stick of ram, nothing. Then I switch the sticks and, bam! It works. Ok, memtest has been worthless to me for this computer. I've heard that this motherboard kills ram. Well, there goes another stick.

DO NOT BUY THE EVGA 680i MOTHERBOARD, IT IS A PILE OF GARBAGE.

Mate! you are having the worst run of luck I have ever seen. BTW, without having to read all the above, has your replacement VC arrived?

 

[x800professor]

Mate! you are having the worst run of luck I have ever seen. BTW, without having to read all the above, has your replacement VC arrived?

Yes I am and no it hasn't. They haven't even shipped it.

EVGA told me that they are shipping me a new board. If this one kills $700 worth of RAM like the last one did, then they'll "discuss the next step." I wanted my money back, but no go on that. So, I guess they need $1,400 worth of dead sticks sitting around to realize that they make crap.

 

[AshenSugar]

evga dosnt acctualy make the boards, they order them from other makers normaly jetway, but many times in my exp the evga versions have lesser caps and such on them :/

 

[Zalmann]

Well, I really hope things work out for you. Hopefully one day soon, you'll get to use that Zalman fan that you started this thread for.

 

[lufrey]

Yes I am and no it hasn't. They haven't even shipped it.

EVGA told me that they are shipping me a new board. If this one kills $700 worth of RAM like the last one did, then they'll "discuss the next step." I wanted my money back, but no go on that. So, I guess they need $1,400 worth of dead sticks sitting around to realize that they make crap.

That's some very bad luck your having. Maybe you should get a rabbits foot keyring to even out your luck.