Dual core decision - G3258 vs i3-6320

[brandonwh64]

I just built a I3 1151 with a AMD 480 for a co worker and it rocks for a dual core with HT.

 

[monim1]

Now-a-days Intel Pentium G3258 is like crap. So investing money in it is like wasting on crap. If you don't want to be a fool, go with Core i3-6320. If possible take the higher generation.

 

[eidairaman1]

Lower model core i5 personally

 

[hat]

It seems you're after high clocks, and core count isn't really important. I would at least spring for the cheapest i5, but it doesn't clock as high as the i3, and the hyperthreading will lend a hand in applications that do use >2 threads (not nearly as much as having 4 real cores, though).

Considering all that, I voted for the i3.

 

[TRUELOVE95]

For enthusiasm, and having a fun build, a G3258

for practical, i3. But if you already have a practical daily, why would you go for the i3?

The 3258 will always be a fun OC build for mashing numbersif even in the future when you have faster pcs. The i3 will not be a practical pc forever and will never be a "fun" enthusiast build unless you build one for next to dirt cheap $20 by finding the pc in a garage sale.

 

[PLAfiller]

First I wouldn't bother with 1150 build personally. No reason in my opinion, not to get 1151. If your neighbor is really on a budget G4500 can be had for 70 bucks or so- pretty close to your original post. For memory - 16 gb DDR4 2133mhz CL15 (something budget from Crucial can be had 70 bucks or so for one stick. Dual channel isn't necessary here IMO). I'd spend a bit more on the motherboard. It seems he is not a computer freak and won't change his hardware every month or so. For the MB two PCIe 16x slots for sure + one port Type C on the back - for future proofing. I'd try something from AsRock or Gigabyte. That's just personal opinion of course.

 

[peche]

its better to reach 1151, why ? because of newer memory [DDR4] better power consumption, and options for the future, i3's are great processors so is pentium, but skylake does have petium so consider that unit a the newer budget saver, just forget about 1150 and older gens, you are starting over a new build so take advantage of the cheap prices on DDR4 and some board and get the newer processor, i vote for the skylake i3, reason: i have done several builds with all 3 i 3's of the new gen and all of then are providing great performance on gaming and work machines i have done for customers, petium builds are minimal here dunno why

Regards,

 

[dont whant to set it"']

Decent board H110+any of the i3's 6320 or 6100, putting $ diference in 2x16GB ram kit or a new psu perhaps.
Got a pentium g4400 on a asrock h110m-dgs ,upgraded to a msi z170a pro for m.2 support,2 mo ramn slots, bigher speed ram support, raid support etc. more pci-e's...

 

[jboydgolfer]

Maybe you're right, its been a while since I had an H97. Either way, without voltage control, there won't be much headroom for overclocking the G3258, and 4.5GHz is a pipe dream.

About two weeks ago I was running 4.4 GHz with a G3258 & Asrock pro4M

It could've gone higher I just didn't push it
I just used the non-Z overclock function I don't know if that changes voltages or not tho

 

[SL2]

Get the 6320, or if if there's no hurry, this:
https://www.techpowerup.com/227869/intel-readies-overclockable-core-i3-kaby-lake-processor

Also, make sure the neighbor gets an SSD, obviously.

 

[Vulcansheart]

So I think we are going to settle on the i3-6300 (3.8GHz) with the MSi B150M Mortar motherboard. The benefits of the later tech just seem to outweigh the higher per/core performance of the older pentium. We are going to use the stock cooler, which I'm hoping will keep everything within thermal tolerances. If not, we'll upgrade to a 120mm upright air cooler down the road.

Now, we just need to settle on the gpu. Not sure if he should spend the money on the RX470 now, or settle for the RX460 4GB with option to grab a 2nd one down the road. Any thoughts?

 

[peche]

So I think we are going to settle on the i3-6300 (3.8GHz) with the MSi B150M Mortar motherboard. The benefits of the later tech just seem to outweigh the higher per/core performance of the older pentium. We are going to use the stock cooler, which I'm hoping will keep everything within thermal tolerances. If not, we'll upgrade to a 120mm upright air cooler down the road.

Now, we just need to settle on the gpu. Not sure if he should spend the money on the RX470 now, or settle for the RX460 4GB with option to grab a 2nd one down the road. Any thoughts?

i3 are pretty capable processors, i admire them cause for its performance and price range they work great, also another interesting fact is that they are not hot units, stock cooler could handle the temps without problems, so be sure just to sit the cooler properly!

Now, we just need to settle on the gpu. Not sure if he should spend the money on the RX470 now, or settle for the RX460 4GB with option to grab a 2nd one down the road. Any thoughts?

how much money is there for the GPU? GTX 1050? could also fit your needs!

Regards,

 

[rtwjunkie]

So I think we are going to settle on the i3-6300 (3.8GHz) with the MSi B150M Mortar motherboard. The benefits of the later tech just seem to outweigh the higher per/core performance of the older pentium.

Thanks for keeping us in the loop and letting us know your decision!

 

[qubit]

So I think we are going to settle on the i3-6300 (3.8GHz) with the MSi B150M Mortar motherboard. The benefits of the later tech just seem to outweigh the higher per/core performance of the older pentium. We are going to use the stock cooler, which I'm hoping will keep everything within thermal tolerances. If not, we'll upgrade to a 120mm upright air cooler down the road.

Now, we just need to settle on the gpu. Not sure if he should spend the money on the RX470 now, or settle for the RX460 4GB with option to grab a 2nd one down the road. Any thoughts?

Great choice for the CPU as 4 threads can now be critical in some applications eg certain modern games.

Definitely get a third party cooler sooner rather than later as those stock Intel ones really are s**t. They are so bad that running something really intensive such as Prime95 could overheat the CPU even without an overclock. The CPU will run hotter generally and the fan will be noisier.

I recommend an NVIDIA card if you can afford it, namely the GTX 1070 at least if you wanna ensure high framerates in the latest games. They've also got the cool new FastSync feature which gives the benefits of low lag and no tearing plus smooth animation by letting the GPU freewheel above the monitor refresh rate and discarding redundant frames. Bit of a killer feature for me which AMD doesn't have.

 

[thebluebumblebee]

grab a 2nd one down the road

No.
There's only 100 MHz separating the i3-6100 and the i3-6300. IMHO, anything over $10 for that difference isn't worth it. PcPartPicker shows a $40 difference. Drop down to the 6100 and spend the $40 towards a better GPU.
MSI Radeon RX 480 RX 480 GAMING X 8G for $235 after $20 MIR. ENDS IN 2 DAYS!

We are going to use the stock cooler,

CPU is rated at 51 watts, so the stock cooler will be fine. The next step up would be a copper core Intel stock cooler and then the CoolerMaster TX-3.

 

[dont whant to set it"']

Keep the i3 6300 and go for a lower spec mb, the one you picked if for the looks? Spare dosh can go in pocket, better gpu aftermarcket cooler....

 

[Vulcansheart]

To answer several questions:

The owner is a 55yo retired private pilot. He has no interest in playing any AAA title games, so really no reason to splurge on a GPU. However, I chose the RX470 because of it's performance/dollar figure is very competitive. It supports 4 monitors natively (good for flight simulators) and can easily be paired with another one down the road should he choose to do so. The Nvidia selection on the other hand (I am a gtx1070 owner btw) is much pricier for similar performance, and cannot be SLI'd unless he gets a 1070 or higher, or opts for the older generation 900 series. Lastly, the motherboard was chosen because it offers a lot of features including crossfire support, and has very positive reviews for a good price ~ $75. Open to recommendations on the motherboard choice, however.

We downgraded the cpu from the 6320 to the 6300 already due to price/performance. I don't want to keep downgrading much further simply because FSX is very dependent on single-core performance. From what I understand, GHz directly correlates to FPS...

As for the cooler, I don't foresee him doing any burn-in type testing or benchmarking such as Prime95, so I'll take the majority vote and utilize the stock cooler. It can easily be changed out later so no need to put it into the initial build.

He is away on vacation until Friday, so I have a few days to finish this build on paper before he returns and we start ordering parts.

EDIT:
As it sits currently:

 

[peche]

great but seems you missed psu and dunno about optical drives, configurations seems to be great for the intended use!

 

[Vulcansheart]

great but seems you missed psu and dunno about optical drives, configurations seems to be great for the intended use!

Sorry, yes, I should clarify. I am donating a PSU to his build as a gesture of good faith lol. He is my neighbor after all, and I intend to play his flight simulator when it's complete! It's a corsair CX650M that was a product review sample, so no skin off my back by gifting it away.

We will probably recycle his DVD/RW SATA drive from his existing machine. If he didn't watch movies and rip audio regularly, I wouldn't even have picked a case with a 5.25" bay...

 

[peche]

I am donating a PSU to his build as a gesture of good faith lol. He is my neighbor after all, and I intend to play his flight simulator when it's complete! It's a corsair CX650M that was a product review sample, so no skin off my back by gifting it away.

since its a donation no worries, but 650w its way too much for that build, i have done i3 builds iun the past and normally use 430-500w PSU's

We will probably recycle his DVD/RW SATA drive from his existing machine. If he didn't watch movies and rip audio regularly, I wouldn't even have picked a case with a 5.25" bay...

you could also just plug the drive for the format process, leave the rig without an optical drive, but be sure that new owner wont need it !

Regards,

 

[Vulcansheart]

since its a donation no worries, but 650w its way too much for that build, i have done i3 builds iun the past and normally use 430-500w PSU's

you could also just plug the drive for the format process, leave the rig without an optical drive, but be sure that new owner wont need it !

Regards,

It is overkill, but the advantage is he can still crossfire the RX470 later without needing a new PSU.

As for his OS, i intend to image his existing machine onto the new drive. It will certainly require some finagling drivers, but nothing I haven't accomplished in the past lol. If it goes badly, I'll end up installing everything fresh using my usb optical drive, but it will prove to be a daunting task due to all the mods and addons to his FSX directory... he isn't sure he has all of his keys and discs for everything.

 

[peche]

those 2 points are great so, you have everything done!
best wishes on new build, let us know !

 

[Vulcansheart]

Updated build sheet:

I'm not sure what he has for peripherals, or his primary display make/model, so I'll leave those out for now.

 

[peche]

I'm not sure what he has for peripherals, or his primary display make/model, so I'll leave those out for now.

those make a great build! also there are a few combos like TT's commander combo, mouse & keyboard for like $30 - 50

 

[thebluebumblebee]

For that kind of user, I would also be trying to build a silent system. May I suggest a case like the Fractal Design Define Mini C Black Silent Compact MATX Mini Tower