AMD RYZEN Demo Event - Beats $1,100 8-Core i7-6900K, With Lower TDP

[cdawall]

Wow, seriously? Do you know which ones they are?

I know ashes was there are others my Google search is failing me right now. There was a nice review showing everything from a Pentium to 5960x with game scaling.

 

[Deleted member 50521]

Also you get to remember, personal computing is not just about gaming, A LOT of office/research computation relies on good multi threaded CPU performance.

 

[Blueberries]

If the capability is there, then the apps will come. Saying what's the point just highlights the stagnation of current technology. It's about time it moved on.

It's not "what's the point," it's "is it worth the cost?" More cores isn't free, it comes with a larger TDP.

We've had 64C+ processors for years now (and dual-CPU motherboards!), 8C/16T is easy to do, but only a small percentage of PC users can take advantage of it. Keep in mind there's also a severe diminishing return, and it doesn't take long before more threads is negligible at best and detrimental at worst (except in specific computational tasks e.g., deep learning, AI).

Intel and AMD could also easily introduce add-in PCIe cards that would effectively add an additional 32+ parallel hyper/SMT threads , but why?

 

[Prima.Vera]

Seems like all sites are spreading the same crappy CLICK BAIT after only one test made by AMD...

 

[cdawall]

It's not "what's the point," it's "is it worth the cost?" More cores isn't free, it comes with a larger TDP.

We've had 64C+ processors for years now, 8C/16T is easy to do, but only a small percentage of PC users can take advantage of it. Keep in mind there's also a severe diminishing return, and it doesn't take long before more threads is negligible at best and detrimental at worst.

Intel and AMD could also easily introduce add-in PCIe cards that would effectively add an additional 32+ parallel hyper/SMT threads , but why?

Some of this is correct, however on the TDP not better written software using more threads could accomplish more work with less clockspeed and a lower tdp. Ask my 105w xeon 12 core.

 

[Blueberries]

Some of this is correct, however on the TDP not better written software using more threads could accomplish more work with less clockspeed and a lower tdp. Ask my 105w xeon 12 core.

That entirely depends on the software, not everything benefits from more threads, and 8 threads is a lot!

I'm not suggesting there's no point in 12C CPUs, but most mainstream, real-world, students, average-joes, gamers, call it whatever you want-- they're going to prefer a lower TDP / footprint and higher clock/boost speed.

 

[s17speedex]

against an Intel 6700K processor overlocked towards an unspecified frequency,

4.5ghz; 47:22 min in video

 

[evernessince]

VEGA will be a faster clocked slightly efficiency bumped Fiji. Not gonna magically do way better in old DX11/OpenGL games, but will be great in DX12/Vulkan/VR applications.

Uh, no it won't. Why in the hell would AMD not design VEGA based off of Polaris. "Oh hey guys, let's base our top end GPU off our last gen cards", said no one ever. That would be called a refresh.

No, VEGA is Polaris + HBM2 + Various other improvements from VEGA (like improved shaders).

FYI AMD's DX 11 performance has gotten better with polaris and the release of their ReLive drivers. If you haven't checked, the RX 480 is now on par with the GTX 1060 is DX 11.

 

[Camm]

Uh, no it won't. Why in the hell would AMD not design VEGA based off of Polaris. "Oh hey guys, let's base our top end GPU off our last gen cards", said no one ever. That would be called a refresh.

No, VEGA is Polaris + HBM2 + Various other improvements from VEGA (like improved shaders).

FYI AMD's DX 11 performance has gotten better with polaris and the release of their ReLive drivers. If you haven't checked, the RX 480 is now on par with the GTX 1060 is DX 11.

Being fair, you would expect it to be equal in DX11 since the 480 die is about 15% larger than the 1060 and with another 64 bit on the memory bus .

 

[evernessince]

Being fair, you would expect it to be equal in DX11 since the 480 die is about 15% larger than the 1060 and with another 64 bit on the memory bus .

Actually the larger memory bus on the RX 480 is probably what takes up that extra die space. Nvidia often goes small on the bus size as it can be very space intensive on the GPU. It's also why you see Nvidia cards start to drop in performance compared to their AMD counterparts, just look at the GTX 970.

 

[ShurikN]

Wow, seriously? Do you know which ones they are?

Isn't Doom (Vulkan) insane on the cpu front?

 

[Ascalaphus]

I dunno if I would say beat, more like match in one specific scenario.

You're missing the bigger picture:
It will cost LESS than a i7-6900k as well.

 

[efikkan]

We haven't been stuck, there's just no demand. What "mainstream" application uses 16 threads? WinRAR?

And you are just using a single application at the time?
There are OS subsystems, multiple drivers, a web browser and some other stuff you are running, perhaps an anti-virus program and a pile of other "hidden" crap running in the background, in addition to the task you are "working" on. Even if your little game only uses 3-4 threads, more cores will help reduce stutter and other problems, even if it doesn't show up in average framerate benchmarks. Anything less than 6 (real) cores for a power-user today is not going to cut it.

 

[renz496]

Yeah, no. The FX-9590 has never been anywhere near $1k. I think it maxed out at $250.

i said initially. it doesn't last long though where AMD end up "dropping" the price massively just after a few months.

Two different UK-based online and retail outlets were showing the FX-9590 for sale for as low as £279 or $434 USD. That is a big price drop from £699 rate ($1008 USD) and obviously is causing quite a stir in the community. This puts the latest entries in the world of AMD FX just above the other parts like the standard FX-8350 in terms of cost which was definitely NOT the case in June or July.

https://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/AMD-FX-9590-50-GHz-processor-getting-price-drop

 

[cdawall]

That entirely depends on the software, not everything benefits from more threads, and 8 threads is a lot!

I'm not suggesting there's no point in 12C CPUs, but most mainstream, real-world, students, average-joes, gamers, call it whatever you want-- they're going to prefer a lower TDP / footprint and higher clock/boost speed.

Most average Joe CPU users can happily use onboard video and a pentium. I could care less about average Joe I am enthusiast Chris.

 

[fullinfusion]

All I'd like to say is good on AMD and their new tech.

Running with no boost clock, and matching, and then beating the intel chip just made my week!

Come on AMD give us a February launch because my tax refund will be burning a hole in my pockets.

RYZEN is such cool name, I believe there's going to be a lot of sad intel users in he very near future hmm.
And I don't think this is hype like the bulldozer was. I honestly believe the hype is real this time

 

[renz496]

I don't think AMD will price this high - it has too much to gain from regaining market and mindshare to fuck around with the sort of margins Intel keeps gouging.

that's what people said with 7970 as well. at this point i will just waiting until the actual hardware hit the market.

 

[renz496]

No people price gouged them pre-release at 800+, the CPU was listed by AMD was $300-370 depending if you got the CLC with it.

I purchased my 9370 at release for something like 269.99

nope. there is no price gouging. back then AMD definitely intend to sell 9590 for around $900-$1k for being some kind of special edition processor. the pricing did not meant to reflect to other FX-9xxx series processor. also if i remember correctly AMD did not sell the processor directly to any customer. only exclusive to system boutique at that premium pricing. but it really did not last that long.

 

[renz496]

Uh, no it won't. Why in the hell would AMD not design VEGA based off of Polaris. "Oh hey guys, let's base our top end GPU off our last gen cards", said no one ever. That would be called a refresh.

No, VEGA is Polaris + HBM2 + Various other improvements from VEGA (like improved shaders).

FYI AMD's DX 11 performance has gotten better with polaris and the release of their ReLive drivers. If you haven't checked, the RX 480 is now on par with the GTX 1060 is DX 11.

no. not really. you guys need to carefully look how hardware canucks made the conclusion. RX480 closing the gap with to GTX1060 in DX11 using average combined score. hardware canucks adds more tittle that favoring AMD card so that affect the average score towards AMD. when they present that numbers it doesn't mean that now RX480 are as fast as GTX1060 in every DX11 tittles.

 

[cdawall]

nope. there is no price gouging. back then AMD definitely intend to sell 9590 for around $900-$1k for being some kind of special edition processor. the pricing did not meant to reflect to other FX-9xxx series processor. also if i remember correctly AMD did not sell the processor directly to any customer. only exclusive to system boutique at that premium pricing. but it really did not last that long.

I purchased mine on release from amazon. Not exactly a boutique.

 

[renz496]

I purchased mine on release from amazon. Not exactly a boutique.

as i said that exclusive deal did not last long.

First, according to AMD the FX-9590 was never intended to be sold as an OEM part and rather was supposed to ship only in pre-built systems from companies like iBuyPower or in bundles that include a motherboard and cooler along with the processor. If these bundles were slow sellers though it seems plausible that the retailers would find ways to expire the bundle program and "accidentally" start selling the processors alone. Based on photos from ReviewBros that appears to be the case.

As for the idea of a "price drop", things are just more complicated than that. AMD tells me that because it was never intended to sell as an OEM part any pricing changes are not a result of AMD's demands. Honestly I don't know why AMD is so opposed to just saying there has been a price drop other than the negative reaction of the initial launch buyers; but that is always the case in the enthusiast market.

https://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/AMD-FX-9590-50-GHz-processor-getting-price-drop

 

[evernessince]

no. not really. you guys need to carefully look how hardware canucks made the conclusion. RX480 closing the gap with to GTX1060 in DX11 using average combined score. hardware canucks adds more tittle that favoring AMD card so that affect the average score towards AMD. when they present that numbers it doesn't mean that now RX480 are as fast as GTX1060 in every DX11 tittles.

It doesn't need to be as fast as the 1060 in every title, average is a better indicator of speed. You can go look anywhere, it's not just hardware canucks re reviewing after AMD's new driver.

 

[Frick]

Here's hoping Haswell users will rush to AMD so I can get a better CPU on the cheap.

Also, Zen>Ryzen.

 

[ValenOne]

Uh, no it won't. Why in the hell would AMD not design VEGA based off of Polaris. "Oh hey guys, let's base our top end GPU off our last gen cards", said no one ever. That would be called a refresh.

No, VEGA is Polaris + HBM2 + Various other improvements from VEGA (like improved shaders).

FYI AMD's DX 11 performance has gotten better with polaris and the release of their ReLive drivers. If you haven't checked, the RX 480 is now on par with the GTX 1060 is DX 11.

Polaris 10 doesn't have double rate 16bit FP feature while both PS4 Pro and Vega 10 has double rate 16 bit FP feature.

Native 16bit FP support is important for incoming Shader Model 6.0.

 

[cyneater]

Intel has better designers, at least... all those AMD slides looks... meh

except for this guy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Keller_(engineer) originally from DEC done work for AMD and apple


Lets wait to zen hits the actual market its not like AMD has used PR before ...

anyone else remember the Althon XP's....