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NVIDIA Announces the GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Graphics Card at $699

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If 1080 Ti is boring (even though it's the most exciting high end model in recent history), then Vega is going to bore you to death.

Indeed, all credit to the AMD fanboys for their patience waiting for that mythical beast.
 
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This was the card I was waiting for.

Going to get 2 of these bad boys to replace my SLI 980Tis.
 

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If 1080 Ti is boring (even though it's the most exciting high end model in recent history), then Vega is going to bore you to death.
How so? While its definitely a better deal its essentially a Titan XP without 1gb of ram and with better voltage control/Boost clocks. That's not completely interesting even if its a good price.

Indeed, all credit to the AMD fanboys for their patience waiting for that mythical beast.
So your saying people waiting for a GPU release are dumb fanboys? Oh right its just the people who are waiting on an AMD card. Heaven forbid waiting and seeing before making an expensive purchase.

We wanted to let you know that the GTX 1080 Ti will officially be available for pre-orders starting at 8:00 a.m. PST tomorrow morning. For folks that want to get in the action, the pre-order link is: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/geforce-gtx-1080-ti/

Got this from NVIDIA earlier today.
Wow that fast, really considering off loading my Titan XP for a pair of these now!!!
 

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Just like so many great GPUs before it.
Ya. 11GB RAM just doesn't sit right though lol. Maybe I'll get one just for the pervesity of it...
 
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This is by far the greatest top consumer model Nvidia has released in ages
Yeah. Ages.
Not counting the card it released in August 2016, then it is whopping 5 month. Exciting.

35% extra performance
"extra", eh?

Many of you dismiss this product, yet you create hype about Vega...
It's not hard to see the difference.
nVidia released rebranded Titan.
AMD is expected to release a brand new card.

...which will not even compete with this one.
This is simply fanboi-ism, we don't know yet, but pricing that Huang has opted for, hints at something rather close.
 

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Ya. 11GB RAM just doesn't sit right though lol. Maybe I'll get one just for the pervesity of it...

Honestly, neither does 12GB. I'm still stuck on 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. But even system RAM isn't sticking to that anymore... I'm just too old fashioned.:cry:
 

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Honestly, neither does 12GB. I'm still stuck on 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. But even system RAM isn't sticking to that anymore... I'm just too old fashioned.:cry:
I know. When it's not a power of 2 it gets my OCD going like crazy, too. It creates such inefficiencies to make such designs. I know why they do it though, since chip sizes would otherwise grow exponentially which is unsustainable.
 
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The graph is perfect. RPM value is meaningless, what matters is noise levels and cooling performance, both shown on the graph. But, as I said before, is not an apples to apples comparison because of the difference in die area and outlet design. So I'm not buying the "better cooler" claim.

Later point you make is fine, but I call BS on "graph is perfect"...you can fool some of the techpowerup people all the time, but not most of them most of the time as Honest Abe said; if the graph were so "perfect" no one would question what it said or hardly anyone would and myself included at least questioned the format which frankly, was bad and not complete.
 
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I'm sorry, but that's incorrect.
Modern GPUs work by having multiple separate 32-bit memory controllers, each complete with their own ROPs. GTX 1080 Ti has one of these disabled, which is why it also has fewer ROPs. This is one of the nice modular features of modern GPUs.

When a cluster of cores wants to access a block of memory it addresses the respective memory controller.

What would you expect from someone who wants to stay in the EU? :)
 

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Later point you make is fine, but I call BS on "graph is perfect"...you can fool some of the techpowerup people all the time, but not most of them most of the time as Honest Abe said; if the graph were so "perfect" no one would question what it said or hardly anyone would and myself included at least questioned the format which frankly, was bad and not complete.
How is it incomplete? It has 4 noise and temperature data points, both correctly labeled, with the correct units and correctly ploted. It gets the point across that you can get 5 °C lower or 3,5 db(A) quieter on the Ti at the same power. You could argue, maybe, that it has too much information for the average audience and should be simpler. Maybe with only a bar graph for a single data point.
 
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Call it whatever you want, it showed causality of temps between the two cards fine but it's not the complexity of it, but more the left to right nature of how we read sentences is broken on this graph....it even has arrow pointing right to left. This may work for certain languages or people who go right to left but at least for English, Spanish, etc we are trained to go left to right.
 

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Call it whatever you want, it showed causality of temps between the two cards fine but it's not the complexity of it, but more the left to right nature of how we read sentences is broken on this graph....it even has arrow pointing right to left. This may work for certain languages or people who go right to left but at least for English, Spanish, etc we are trained to go left to right.
But the X axis values increases from left to right. Y axis values increase from bottom to top. That's the standard for graphs, independent of language. Pretty intuitive I would say. If they made the values for noise decrease from left to right, now THAT would be confusing. You cant expect all graphs to have ascendant lines.
 
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Ok, then why would you have a big obvious arrow going from the right to left to throw off the left to right continuity? No, but ascendant lines tend to work best, 2 of 3 graphs here are that way for example. I simply am pointing out graph is far from "perfect" and many people not "getting" it pretty much proves that.
 
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How so? While its definitely a better deal its essentially a Titan XP without 1gb of ram and with better voltage control/Boost clocks. That's not completely interesting even if its a good price.
Well, for starters it's 35% better than GTX 1080, and secondly it's reducing the price of GTX 1080. Thirdly, it's roughly the same price per dollar as GTX 1080 after the price adjustment, and it's amazing to see a high-end model retaining this awesome value while delivering the best performance. Forth, it's the best high-end Ti model ever, much better than 980 Ti and 780 Ti. Fifth; great energy efficiency and hopefully some overclocking headroom.
 

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Do tell why an 11GB setup is 'less efficient' than12GB...
I didn't say that. It's less efficient than a power of 2 design. In this case, you'd need to have 16GB RAM for a "perfect" design. You always need to go to the next power of 2 up.

It'll be interesting to see if that 11GB RAM has a similar issue as the GTX 970 with that slow memory due to the cut down GPU. I suspect it won't though as NVIDIA have learned their lesson from that particular scandal.
 

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Ok, then why would you have a big obvious arrow going from the right to left to throw off the left to right continuity? No, but ascendant lines tend to work best, 2 of 3 graphs here are that way for example. I simply am pointing out graph is far from "perfect" and many people not "getting" it pretty much proves that.
The only flaw i could point is that it does not inform ambient temperature (which i think can safely be assumed to be 25 °C).

Honestly i can't think of any other way to portray the same amount of information in a simpler way. You cant just make a graph have an ascendant line, its not something you can chose. Noise x temperature graphs for coolers will always have a descendant line. Change it to fan speed x temperature and it will be similar.

Well i guess you could change it to fan noise x heat dissipation, at a fixed GPU temperature instead of power, which would result in ascendant lines. But really not the usual information people look for when choosing coolers.

Whats causing confusion is not the graph per se, but some lack of experience in interpreting graphs. If you take your time and observe the information it presents its pretty clear.
 
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I didn't say that. It's less efficient than a power of 2 design. In this case, you'd need to have 16GB RAM for a "perfect" design. You always need to go to the next power of 2 up.
That's completely wrong. Each memory controller is still accessing a power of 2 amount of memory. Memory controllers in GPUs work independently. There is no scientific basis of claiming that the total number of resources have to be a power of 2. Just look at the core count in modern GPU, almost none of them add up to a power of 2.

It'll be interesting to see if that 11GB RAM has a similar issue as the GTX 970 with that slow memory due to the cut down GPU. I suspect it won't though as NVIDIA have learned their lesson from that particular scandal.
That will never happen. You are conflating two unrelated design choices.
The "issue" with GTX 970 was that two 32-bit chips shared a single 32-bit bus, but with the first chip having priority resulting in "unreliable" memory performance. This is actually not new, GTX 660/660 Ti did a similar thing, but nobody complained then.
 
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Well, for starters it's 35% better than GTX 1080, and secondly it's reducing the price of GTX 1080. Thirdly, it's roughly the same price per dollar as GTX 1080 after the price adjustment, and it's amazing to see a high-end model retaining this awesome value while delivering the best performance. Forth, it's the best high-end Ti model ever, much better than 980 Ti and 780 Ti. Fifth; great energy efficiency and hopefully some overclocking headroom.
Yes, but its still just a Titan XP at the end of the day with better voltage control, better stock clocks, and less ram. Even though its cheaper its just a more affordable Titan, that is good but not exciting as a brand new never before seen chip. It would be interesting if say it had more cores unlocked but that is not the case. I am only interested in it for its price and if it can overclock further.

I didn't say that. It's less efficient than a power of 2 design. In this case, you'd need to have 16GB RAM for a "perfect" design. You always need to go to the next power of 2 up.

It'll be interesting to see if that 11GB RAM has a similar issue as the GTX 970 with that slow memory due to the cut down GPU. I suspect it won't though as NVIDIA have learned their lesson from that particular scandal.
My thoughts as well, I am considering trading my Titan XP in for a pair (Maybe just one) but only after reviews and some time has passed. I want to see if it has those issues as well and what other ones come out (Better VRM versions).
 
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I didn't say that. It's less efficient than a power of 2 design. In this case, you'd need to have 16GB RAM for a "perfect" design. You always need to go to the next power of 2 up.

It'll be interesting to see if that 11GB RAM has a similar issue as the GTX 970 with that slow memory due to the cut down GPU. I suspect it won't though as NVIDIA have learned their lesson from that particular scandal.
Ok... but why is a power of 2 more efficient? My apologies here for being dense...

Again, it shouldnt have that 970 issue. The back end ROPs (read: the math) seems to all jive to me?
 
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While its definitely a better deal its essentially a Titan XP without 1gb of ram and with better voltage control/Boost clocks. That's not completely interesting even if its a good price.
Yes, but its still just a Titan XP at the end of the day with better voltage control, better stock clocks, and less ram. Even though its cheaper its just a more affordable Titan, that is good but not exciting as a brand new never before seen chip. It would be interesting if say it had more cores unlocked but that is not the case.
Why isn't it interesting that you can get the high-end consumer card for 58% of the price of the professional card?
Why isn't GTX 1080 Ti interesting when it reduces the prices of the remaining lineup as well?
Anyone interested in buying a decent card soon should be cheering, it's in fact the biggest news of the year.

Ok... but why is a power of 2 more efficient? My apologies here for being dense...
Power of 2 matters for certain things when it comes to building integrated circuits. Allocations in system memory, allocations in GPU memory, sizes of sectors on SSDs/HDDs, etc. are all power of 2 because it decreases the complexity of the integrated circuits.

Let me crate a small example:
You have 4 memory modules of 16kB (16384 bytes)
Now, let's look at the address space in binary:
Code:
0   First address:  0000 0000 0000 0000
    Last address:   0011 1111 1111 1111

1   First address:  0100 0000 0000 0000
    Last address:   0111 1111 1111 1111

2   First address:  1000 0000 0000 0000
    Last address:   1011 1111 1111 1111

3   First address:  1100 0000 0000 0000
    Last address:   1111 1111 1111 1111
Do you see any pattern?

You can use the two first bits to check which memory module the address belongs to, so the memory controller just needs a few transistors to calculate this, instead of some complex transformation of the address. The remaining 14 bits becomes the internal address space of a module. Then the module does the same thing to find out which chip("memory bank") the address belongs to.

Now let's compare this with an address space that's power of 10 instead, four modules of 10.000 bytes:
Code:
0   First address:  0000 0000 0000 0000
    Last address:   0010 0111 0000 1111

1   First address:  0010 0111 0001 0000
    Last address:   0100 1110 0001 1111

2   First address:  0100 1110 0010 0000
    Last address:   0111 0101 0010 1111

3   First address:  0111 0101 0011 0000
    Last address:   1001 1100 0011 1111
Even though an address space that's power of 10 is much more simple for us humans, it becomes obviously much harder for computers.

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So back to the question at hand, does it matter that GTX 1080 Ti have a total memory bandwidth of 352-bit? No, as I've said numerous times already, it has 11 separate 32-bit controllers, each accessing a power of 2 address space, adding up to a continuous address space without any kind of performance penalty. So it's not any kind of problem with 352-bits total, and if you know math you'll know that even 384-bit is not a power of 2!

An analogy; your harddrive consists of sectors, where every single one is a power of 2 in size, but the total count never is.

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Memory controllers for GPUs are in fact even more simple than CPU memory controllers. Not only is the size of allocations power of 2, but when allocating buffers for textures etc. each dimension has to be a power of 2. If you create a texture of 144×129, your API will pad it to 256×256.
 
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Why isn't it interesting that you can get the high-end consumer card for 58% of the price of the professional card?
Why isn't GTX 1080 Ti interesting when it reduces the prices of the remaining lineup as well?
Anyone interested in buying a decent card soon should be cheering, it's in fact the biggest news of the year.
Because its something we can already expect and see out in the open. Its good that it reduces prices across the board, however the card itself is not that interesting. That does not mean it wont sell well and its not a good card, it means its boring because we already know its basics and where its going to sit on the performance chart. The most interesting part is how its going to react to having higher voltage control because that will result in better clocks over the Titan XP. The price is not interesting, just great news because its more affordable to the masses. I am still interested in it, but its not a mystery for the most part.
 

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Ok... but why is a power of 2 more efficient? My apologies here for being dense...

Again, it shouldnt have that 970 issue. The back end ROPs (read: the math) seems to all jive to me?
Basically, it's all to do with addressing and building the infrastructure for it inside the chip. I'm going to assume that you're familiar with base 2 (binary) and number bases in general here.

To make for a really simple example, imagine that you have a memory chip with just 4 locations. These will take 2 bits to address, ie a 2-bit address bus. The value of the bottom (first) address will be zero (00 binary) and the last (top) address 3 (11 binary).

Now imagine a lopsided memory chip with just 3 locations. You will still need to build the infrastructure for 4 addresses into the chip, since the top bit is still being set, ie value 2 (10 binary) with the top address of 3 (11 binary) pointing nowhere and likely having to be masked off to avoid a crash. Hence the chip will still take the same number of transistors as if it had 4 locations, but not actually have that extra location in it and therefore the chip will not be an optimal design. Of course, what you get back is that the extra circuitry for the 4th location is missing, saving space, hence making for a compromise.

You have a similar situation regardless of what you're addressing, whether it's CUDA units and the number of bits they each handle in a GPU, or the number of CUDA units in the GPU, or whatever aspect of a digital circuit.

The problem in the real world of course, is that building a perfect power of 2 chip causes the number of transistors and physical size of that chip to double each time it's expanded, ie to grow exponentially which is unsustainable.

When you get to the large sizes of modern GPUs with their billions of transistors, it would tend to quickly outgrow the manufacturing capabilities of current technology. Or if not for a particular design, it would just be excessively large, such as being, for example, 40 millimeters on a side which is impractical for a commercial product that's supposed to make a profit.

No doubt it would also use a tremendous amount of power and emit a correspondingly tremendous amount of heat, making things difficult. Therefore, we see the lopsided GPUs of today to avoid this fate, or at least reduce its impact. Think of the GTX 480 and the tremendous amount of power and heat it used, despite being such a lopsided design. It's a shame and I really don't like this lopsidedness, but there's no choice for a real world GPU.

If you're curious, check out the designs of older entry level GPUs, where you'll see that quite often everything is a perfect power of 2, eg data bus, CUDA cores etc, since it's practical to do so at the smaller sizes.

The 970 memory issue came about, because NVIDIA nibbled a bit off the GPU, giving rise to a compartmentalized memory addressing design, where they chose to use slow RAM for that last 500MB, but didn't declare it, leading to this scandal.

When I saw that the 1080 Ti with its weird 11GB RAM and crippled GPU, it brought back to me that NVIDIA could potentially have the same design issue. However, it all really depends on the details of the design whether this happens or not and we'll soon know once the official reviews are out. I doubt they'd repeat the same mistake, especially on their flagship product.

@efikkan back there thinks I'm "completely wrong" about a power of 2 chip being optimal, but I'm not, as I've explained above. He just didn't quite understand what I was saying.

Oh and you asked for it - check my sig! :p
 
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