AMD's RX 500 Series Reportedly Delayed

[owen10578]

I don't understand why everyone is so upset over this refresh. Nvidia isn't launching any new series either and AMD is even though it's only a slight refresh improvement it's still is better than the nothing done by Nvidia. So what's the big deal? If 500 series turned out to be the same chips with higher clocks and same price that's freaking great. What's all the fuss about AMD "dropping the ball" and "not innovating"

 

[ShurikN]

Vega has almost twice as many compute units as RX 480. Vega is ~GTX 1080 at minimum. Since RX 580 really has no reasonable chance of hitting GTX 1070, there will probably be a cut down Vega to answer to 1070.

If I had to guesstimate i'd put smaller Vega between 1070 and 1080 (closer to 1070), and the bigger one between 1080 and Ti. The rest of the field will be populated with polaris refreshes

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Had AMD announced a launch date?

RX 580: April 19
RX Vega: first half of 2017 (before July).

 

[basco]

we buy car refreshes all the time without fuss.
and its not like nvidia is so innovativ-its just better advertising(+who´s got the longest)

 

[renz496]

I don't understand why everyone is so upset over this refresh. Nvidia isn't launching any new series either and AMD is even though it's only a slight refresh improvement it's still is better than the nothing done by Nvidia. So what's the big deal? If 500 series turned out to be the same chips with higher clocks and same price that's freaking great. What's all the fuss about AMD "dropping the ball" and "not innovating"

because some people want those RX580 and RX570 to compete with nvidia 1080/1070. if they are that's mean Vega will be competing with 1080ti directly. that might lead to "price war".

 

[Patriot]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/15/think_different_shut_up_and_work_harder_says_linus_torvalds/

Linus on the bullshit of advertising innovation. It's their job to innovate stop acting like they are giving a gift to humanity they have to do it or they become irrelevant.

 

[Foobario]

The RX 480 already gets you 60 FPS in 90% of games on 1080P and 1440P. The RX 580 will probably bump that up to 94% of games with slightly better efficiency.

The fact of the matter is that extra 4% of games that can now hit 60 FPS on a 580 will appeal to those with specific interest in the titles bumped up to viewable playability. The real reason the RX 580 is even being put out is that AMD is no longer able to produce RX 480s that are similar to the ones originally released due to better performance of the GLOFO process after nine months of perfecting it.

At this point the yields are close to perfection so AMD's cost per die is less and they will probably bump the price $5 or $10 and make better margins. Good for them.

The 1080 TI vs. the Titan X is the same scenario, except Nvidia is able to go at it from the other direction due to fan boy idiocy. They release a low yielding chip (Titan X) with an astronomical markup and then six months later when yields mature they release the same chip at a lower price for their less stupid fan base.

 

[Ebo]

I have no complaint about this, just because some people wants RX580 to be more than it really is. If you want that high preformance in GFX, you just have to pay the price, if you dont or if you cant....then settle for a little less, its simple as that.
Im waiting for Vega, and I dont care about the price or even how close it comes to GFX1080TI, I just want the new tech.

 

[newtekie1]

I don't understand why everyone is so upset over this refresh. Nvidia isn't launching any new series either and AMD is even though it's only a slight refresh improvement it's still is better than the nothing done by Nvidia. So what's the big deal? If 500 series turned out to be the same chips with higher clocks and same price that's freaking great. What's all the fuss about AMD "dropping the ball" and "not innovating"

It isn't a refresh, it is a rebrand. A slight bump in click speed, we're talking less than 100Mhz and in some cases less than 50Mhz, is not a refresh. AMD is not in the lead. I wouldn't say re-releasing the same product with a bumped up model number is not better, it is in fact worse, than not doing any thing like nVidia is doing. There is no reason or logic behind this rebrand other than to try to appear like they are coming out with new products when they really aren't.

If they wanted to revise the specs and bump the clock speeds up a little, they should have just named them the RX 485 and RX 475 etc.

we buy car refreshes all the time without fuss.

Car refreshes tend to offer changes and improvements, new features. So they keep the same name, but get better stuff. That is the opposite of a GPU rebrand.

Plus, cars wear out as you use them, so buying a new one becomes necessary.

 

[Vayra86]

we buy car refreshes all the time without fuss.
and its not like nvidia is so innovativ-its just better advertising(+who´s got the longest)

Cars don't get 30% faster every year.

 

[Dimi]

we buy car refreshes all the time without fuss.
and its not like nvidia is so innovativ-its just better advertising(+who´s got the longest)

Have you not seen the performance jumps Nvidia is making? My 399$ 1070 beats previous gens 1000$ Titan X. While it was a bit more expensive than the 970, it is 80% faster.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

That's because of the 28nm to 16nm shift. TSMC was stuck on 28nm for a long time so 16nm TSMC/14nm GloFo became a monumental jump.

 

[kruk]

If AMD didn't officially announce when the RX 500 series will release, then writing about a delay makes absolutely no sense.

Also, I'm expecting at most a 10% increase in speed at approximately same or slightly lower power consumption, with the unlocked RX 560 being the exception.

 

[TheMailMan78]

I think RX 580 will land between 1070 and 1080. I think you're talking about RX Vega which definitely isn't coming until May/June at the earliest.

The RX580 is just a rebrand. How do you figure it will be between a 1070 and 1080? I mean I would like to think you are right but, something tells me this is wishful thinking? Enlighten me oh TMI Ford.

 

[RejZoR]

Cars don't get 30% faster every year.

Not everything is measured in speed you know. Cars don't get more expensive because they just have more horsepower, they get more expensive and "luxurious" because they cram more crap and gadgetry in them. Just like measurement of graphic cards isn't just raw framerate, something most reviewers totally forget about. And I'm not talking about image quality either. I'm talking about whole experience, from performance, image quality, useful settings and features, power saving options etc and other cool additions.

EDIT:
Btw, there is next to no chance of RX480 being positioned above GTX 1070. C'mon people, be realistic. It's currently trading blows with GTX 980 and GTX 1060. Which are a lot slower than GTX 1070...

 

[TheMailMan78]

Not everything is measured in speed you know. Cars don't get more expensive because they just have more horsepower, they get more expensive and "luxurious" because they cram more crap and gadgetry in them. Just like measurement of graphic cards isn't just raw framerate, something most reviewers totally forget about. And I'm not talking about image quality either. I'm talking about whole experience, from performance, image quality, useful settings and features, power saving options etc and other cool additions.

EDIT:
Btw, there is next to no chance of RX480 being positioned above GTX 1070. C'mon people, be realistic. It's currently trading blows with GTX 980 and GTX 1060. Which are a lot slower than GTX 1070...

This is my point of view. Maybe 10% or even 15% faster (Which would be great for a rebrand) but getting between a 1070 and a 1080 would be like a 40% jump. I don't see that happening. Meh. I'm sure someone smarter will correct me.

 

[Vayra86]

Not everything is measured in speed you know. Cars don't get more expensive because they just have more horsepower, they get more expensive and "luxurious" because they cram more crap and gadgetry in them. Just like measurement of graphic cards isn't just raw framerate, something most reviewers totally forget about. And I'm not talking about image quality either. I'm talking about whole experience, from performance, image quality, useful settings and features, power saving options etc and other cool additions.

EDIT:
Btw, there is next to no chance of RX480 being positioned above GTX 1070. C'mon people, be realistic. It's currently trading blows with GTX 980 and GTX 1060. Which are a lot slower than GTX 1070...

Of course, I merely pointed out that any car analogy simply fails.

Cars don't turn obsolete, in some cases quite the opposite (oldtimers).

GPUs do.

 

[Totally]

I guess they ran out of sharpies and had to run out and get some more.

 

[Nihilus]

Currently a stock 480 only offers 65% of the performance of a 1070.

Considering GPU clock speed scaling results. AMD even best case 100 mhz OC gives about 8% return.

So 1266 mhz = 65% 1366 =73% 1466 = 81% 1566 = 89% 1666 = 97%.

even if clock speed scaling was linear AMDs 480 would need a clock speed near 1700 Mhz to be competitive. Thats not gonna happen.

Your method of adding percentages shows how dumb gamers are at math. 1266 Mhz about 75% of 1666 mhz. To get 1070 level performance, simply take 1266 Mhz/ .65 = 1948 Mhz needed to match

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

Your method of adding percentages shows how dumb gamers are at math. 1266 Mhz about 75% of 1666 mhz. To get 1070 level performance, simply take 1266 Mhz/ .65 = 1948 Mhz needed to match

at 1266 mhz AMD gpu offers exactly 65% of the 1070s performance.

100 MHZ clock speed bump increases performance by 8% if the performance gain was linear per 100 Mhz it would need to be around 1666 Mhz to equal a stock 1070

Case in point an LN2 cooled RX480 at 1675 mhz can get a Firestrike GPU score of 18028,

18028 Graphics score for a 1675 Mhz RX480 Strix vs a reference 1070 at 18255 or 16k vs 16200 roughly but i went via Graphics score to remove possible CPU bias for physics etc.

as such yeah 1666 Mhz makes the RX480 roughly equivalent so yeah "drop mic"
RX480 http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11143367
1070 http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-review,28.html

 

[Prima.Vera]

Rebrands should be outlawed by all countries. This is just a fancy name for official scams.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

The RX580 is just a rebrand. How do you figure it will be between a 1070 and 1080? I mean I would like to think you are right but, something tells me this is wishful thinking? Enlighten me oh TMI Ford.

Read the subsequent posts, the absolute best RX 580 could do is get within reaching distance of GTX 1070. See @crazyeyesreaper post above too.

I was a little too optimistic about what Polaris can do.

 

[Nihilus]

18028 Graphics score for a 1675 Mhz RX480 Strix vs a reference 1070 at 18255 or 16k vs 16200 roughly but i went via Graphics score to remove possible CPU bias for physics etc.

as such yeah 1666 Mhz makes the RX480 roughly equivalent so yeah "drop mic"
RX480 http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11143367
1070 http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-review,28.html

First of all, those were two different test systems, so they can not be directly compared. Second, It was still silly math weather or not it "works out."

 

[owen10578]

because some people want those RX580 and RX570 to compete with nvidia 1080/1070. if they are that's mean Vega will be competing with 1080ti directly. that might lead to "price war".

How would anyone expect that? The 400 is the same gen as 1000 series so 500 if its early like this is bound to be a refresh only. The only ones competing with 1070/1080 will be Vega and then only then the next gen 600 series might have 70/80 class cards competing with nvidia 70/80.

It isn't a refresh, it is a rebrand. A slight bump in click speed, we're talking less than 100Mhz and in some cases less than 50Mhz, is not a refresh. AMD is not in the lead. I wouldn't say re-releasing the same product with a bumped up model number is not better, it is in fact worse, than not doing any thing like nVidia is doing. There is no reason or logic behind this rebrand other than to try to appear like they are coming out with new products when they really aren't.

If they wanted to revise the specs and bump the clock speeds up a little, they should have just named them the RX 485 and RX 475 etc.

Yea but that's what intel did with their 7th gen cpus and i don't see anyone getting butthurt. 485 or 580 its still a mid cycle refresh if anyone thinks that amd should make new gpus not even a year after their last gpus launched then they should get real.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

First of all, those were two different test systems, so they can not be directly compared. Second, It was still silly math weather or not it "works out."

Math works regardless of CPU it falls within the margin of error. Regardless of if you like it or not I still end up right and I have plenty of free time to sit here and continue to argue. Blizzard = dont have to work