AMD Radeon Vega in the League of GTX 1080 Ti and TITAN Xp

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Is it me or AMD's at the point of falling 1 gen behind Nvidia? If VEGA is any good I'm pretty sure Volta will be out to counter it by the end of this year. Can't see AMD pulling a rabbit out of the hat on this one though either way...

Not quite a full generation behind on mid-range. RX 480 is competition for the 1060 3GB and was released 2 months earlier than the 1060. The RX 580 is competition for the 1060 6GB. 1070 released June of last year and 1080 released May of last year. Vega is almost guaranteed, from what I see, to counter those two. If Vega brings something to compete with 1080 Ti then that was only released last month.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Is it me or AMD's at the point of falling 1 gen behind Nvidia? If VEGA is any good I'm pretty sure Volta will be out to counter it by the end of this year. Can't see AMD pulling a rabbit out of the hat on this one though either way...

Polaris is competitive with Pascal, it just lacks the streaming processors to compete with high end NVIDIA cards. AMD's focus lately has clearly been selling cards in volume rather than trying to be king. I suspect that's because of GloFo more than anything.

Navi will follow Volta.

 

[Polglass]

Is it me or AMD's at the point of falling 1 gen behind Nvidia? If VEGA is any good I'm pretty sure Volta will be out to counter it by the end of this year. Can't see AMD pulling a rabbit out of the hat on this one though either way...

Unfortunately, AMD do not have the same billions of dollars for R&D and staffing numbers. They have been extremely inventive currently and in the past and have put to notice both Intel and Nvidia.

 

[I No]

Polaris is competitive with Pascal, it just lacks the streaming processors to compete with high end NVIDIA cards. AMD's focus lately has clearly been selling cards in volume rather than trying to be king. I suspect that's because of GloFo more than anything.

Navi will follow Volta.

Fair point but if it took them all this time to let the high-end to Nvidia which btw is raking in the money following this "venture". Can they afford to pull this thing again next gen?

Unfortunately, AMD do not have the same billions of dollars for R&D and staffing numbers. They have been extremely inventive currently and in the past and have put to notice both Intel and Nvidia.

Unfortunately this isn't Nvidia or Intel's fault. It's their business decisions that led to this. The ideas they have are indeed something that they should focus on and hope that this time around they would actually work (HBM1 was a flop, their venture into ARM was a flop as well, Mantle was a flop and so forth)

 

[bug]

...The maximum card speed should be no more than the monitor clock speed. The maximum these days is 144 mhz and both AMD and Nvidia shoe it in....

Q: Then why do we care about FreeSync vs GSync?
A: Because they don't actually "shoe it in".

 

[Deleted member 50521]

VEGA is gonna fail. Higher cost due to larger size and HBM2, weaker performance than 1080Ti. AMD is in an awkward situation which is why they have not released the card.

Tons of talk and no solid hardware/software to back it up.

 

[Brusfantomet]

Unfortunately this isn't Nvidia or Intel's fault. It's their business decisions that led to this. The ideas they have are indeed something that they should focus on and hope that this time around they would actually work (HBM1 was a flop, their venture into ARM was a flop as well, Mantle was a flop and so forth)

Actually, Intel has already been fined and settled outside the court for their business practices, so part of the severe R&D deficit AMD has is partly to blame on Intel.

 

[TheGuruStud]

They also said that Bulldozer would kick the crap out of the i7. Or how was that "Overclocker's Dream" thing? I'll stick by what i said earlier thank you.

Putting words in AMD's mouth about BD, eh (and the latter was a retarded marketing idiot)?

Revisionist history. Have you seen nvidia slides and graphs? Lolololol

 

[cdawall]

VEGA is gonna fail. Higher cost due to larger size and HBM2, weaker performance than 1080Ti. AMD is in an awkward situation which is why they have not released the card.

Tons of talk and no solid hardware/software to back it up.

You have this based on what information? Some leaked junk on a Chinese web page?

Wait till the card releases before you all have your little BS parades. Everything is just FUD at this point.

 

[TheGuruStud]

You have this based on what information? Some leaked junk on a Chinese web page?

Wait till the card releases before you all have your little BS parades. Everything is just FUD at this point.

So much salt b/c AMD has a chance to beat nvidia. They're pathetic.

 

[Deleted member 50521]

As someone who has never bought a nvidia card(yet). As a FuryX owner who received "great" support from AMD, yeah I am biased.

 

[cdawall]

As someone who has never bought a nvidia card(yet). As a FuryX owner who received "great" support from AMD, yeah I am biased.

What did they not give you? Xfire profiles are up to date and the card still shows improvements with each driver update. Do they need to fly out and give a blowie?

 

[Deleted member 50521]

AMD simply don't have the resources to tackle both CPU and GPU and be the best. They can produce some OK mid-low end GPU, but expect them to compete with TitanXp or 1080Ti is just wishful thinking.

Kill the hype!

 

[bug]

VEGA is gonna fail. Higher cost due to larger size and HBM2, weaker performance than 1080Ti. AMD is in an awkward situation which is why they have not released the card.

Tons of talk and no solid hardware/software to back it up.

Even if that turns out to be the case (which I highly doubt, but whatever), you don't know at this point.

Actually, Intel has already been fined and settled outside the court for their business practices, so part of the severe R&D deficit AMD has is partly to blame on Intel.

I'm blaming that on AMD's amateurish management: they messed with the bull and had no contingency plan when they got the horns.
(Of course what Intel did was illegal, I'm not disputing that.)

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Fair point but if it took them all this time to let the high-end to Nvidia which btw is raking in the money following this "venture". Can they afford to pull this thing again next gen?

CPUs are about 90% of AMD's business. GPUs have always been small by comparison.

 

[cdawall]

AMD simply don't have the resources to tackle both CPU and GPU and be the best. They can produce some OK mid-low end GPU, but expect them to compete with TitanXp or 1080Ti is just wishful thinking.

Kill the hype!

What hype the fury X competed with the 980/980ti depending on game just fine. This is a redux of designs it isn't anything unfathomable to think that it'll compete in a top end position just fine. DX11 around the 1080Ti and DX12/Vulcan around the titan wouldn't surprise me or probably anyone else.

Remember as far as amd goes normally they do brute force through everything and leaked vega specs hint very well at that happening again.

 

[Xzibit]

What did they not give you? Xfire profiles are up to date and the card still shows improvements with each driver update. Do they need to fly out and give a blowie?

Its kind of gotten to the point where his post on AMD sound like a bitter break-up and wants to get revenge by letting the world know about this self induced HYPE at every opportunity.

 

[Slizzo]

1070, 1080, Titan X(pascal) 1080TI, Titan Xp new. Think of the price tags on those when released.

Price tags were in line with previous generation despite having to "compete" in a vacuum.

Not positive about the 1070, as that may be a little more expensive, but 780 released at $650, and then bumped down to $500 when the 780Ti was launched at $700. Titans have always been over $1k, while it sucks for those that buy them that they went up by $200, that's such a small segment it really doesn't matter.

 

[notb]

AMD FreeSync becoming the dominant adaptive v-sync technology, far outselling NVIDIA G-Sync.

How do they measure this?
Obviously, there are more NVIDIA chips sold for desktops. It's even more obvious in case of notebooks.

Is it about LCDs? It's very likely that there more FreeSync monitors sold - simply because it's also implemented in cheap models. But as a result a huge majority of FreeSync LCD owners is not using it.

 

[ERazer]

SWEET! need cheaper 1080ti's i want to sli

 

[Xzibit]

How do they measure this?
Obviously, there are more NVIDIA chips sold for desktops. It's even more obvious in case of notebooks.

Is it about LCDs? It's very likely that there more FreeSync monitors sold - simply because it's also implemented in cheap models. But as a result a huge majority of FreeSync LCD owners is not using it.

Is there any data on that ?

Why would the majority of users buy a VRR monitor when a Non-VRR monitor will be suitable at a lower price.

 

[oxidized]

Exactly. People just expect Vega to be 2x better than GTX 1080Ti. Why? It's a card meant to compete with that, not to be next generation. People got spoiled of products releases of both vendors within time of 1-2 months. Times have changed and frankly, it's nothing wrong with competition releasing similar product later. Some just prefer one over another based on metrics other than just raw performance. And yeah, AMD does have many things better than NVIDIA and aren't necessarely performance bound directly.

Wrong, it's expected to compete with volta, not pascal, because it comes a year later, when volta comes out (supposedly) and AMD themselves aimed at volta with the "POOR VOLTA-GE" thing in their horrible marketing clip.


With this i'm not saying it HAS to destroy Pascal, and be on par with Volta (that for all we know could be not even that much better than Pascal), but be at least on par with 1080ti at the same price, (we already know its efficiency would be well behind Pascal, they couldn't have done much of a big jump from Polaris in those terms), if they manage around Polaris efficiency, with 1080ti performance, is a big thing, otherwise i see it as a failure.

 

[Xzibit]

Wrong, it's expected to compete with volta, not pascal, because it comes a year later, when volta comes out (supposedly) and AMD themselves aimed at volta with the "POOR VOLTA-GE" thing in their horrible marketing clip.

It could also be a jab at VOLTA for being "re-shuffled".

Who knows what it really means and reading too much into something is entertaining

 

[oxidized]

It could also be a jab at VOLTA for being "re-shuffled".



Who knows what it really means and reading too much into something is entertaining

Knowing AMD it's meant to volta, come on! Green background VOLTAGE with GE partly covered, it's clearly aimed at that.

 

[Xzibit]

Knowing AMD it's meant to volta, come on! Green background VOLTAGE with GE partly covered, it's clearly aimed at that.

Your reading too much into it.

Maybe it was a moment of honesty and your going to need good voltage to run it.