Intel pulling all the stops? 18-core X-series CPU coming?

[FireFox]

I would not say they're scared but Amd are definitely moving from a negligible high end x86 market share to taking back market share from intel, they would be stupid to not be concerned and negligent if they didn't react with a reasonable business plan ,i personally consider this to be that , a reasonable attempt to hold mindshare and retain market share.

Intel was just wating for AMD to release Ryzen and now it's Intel's turn to respond back, how many years it took to AMD before they release let's say something worth? ( Ryzen ) but my question is: how will AMD respond to Intel's new CPU's series?

 

[Mr.Scott]

And who's to be blamed for that? Partially AMD for not releasing kick ass CPU and partially Intel for just being lazy living off quad cores...

And the general public for letting Intel rape you on price for all these years without groundbreaking advancement and without even batting an eye.

Intel was just wating for AMD to release Ryzen and now it's Intel's turn to respond back, how many years it took to AMD before they release let's say something worth? ( Ryzen ) but my question is: how will AMD respond to Intel's new CPU's series?

It will change nothing in the AMD camp.
Pricing will make the difference, and you already know how Intel rolls with that.

 

[natr0n]

Extreme multi-core file archiving.

 

[FireFox]

It will change nothing in the AMD camp.
Pricing will make the difference, and you already know how Intel rolls with that.

It looks like i am the only one who never complain about Intel's prices.

 

[P4-630]

Extreme multi-core file archiving.

Ha! Lol, I'd rather take 8 thread processor good enough for gaming!

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

It looks like i am the only one who never complain about Intel's prices.

You likely didn't buy brand new or you would have ,you have a dual xeons dont you so are you happy to pay 1-2k on cpus ,i wont be doing that personally, and Amd and intel are already working on rounds 2 3 and four of this battle , don't be mistaken the core wars are just starting.

 

[jaggerwild]

OH NO AMD!!!!!!! LOLZ!

The day they released Ryzen, Fail was and is the word used......

 

[FireFox]

You likely didn't buy brand new or you would have ,you have a dual xeons dont you so are you happy to pay 1-2k on cpus ,i wont be doing that personally, and Amd and intel are already working on rounds 2 3 and four of this battle , don't be mistaken the core wars are just starting.

Wrong judgment.

All my hardware are brand new, you can ask around here to some users who knows me, second, don't you see/read my signature Dual Xeon, since when the 7700K is a Xeon

Should i show proof of purchase of all my hardware?

 

[P4-630]

Wrong judgment.

All my hardware are brand new, you can ask around here to some users who knows me, second, don't you see/read my signature Dual Xeon, since when the 7700K is a Xeon

Should i show proof of purchase of all my hardware?

But...But... You do still have that Xeon rig don't you?...
Just not using it at the moment maybe.

 

[FireFox]

But...But... You do still have that Xeon rig don't you?...
Just not using it at the moment maybe.

I still have my Xeon Machine and my 7700K Gaming Machine.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I still have my Xeon Machine and my 7700K Gaming Machine.

So I wasn't mistaken you do own one just looking to knock my statement, fine you paid full price , would you rather pay the same next time ,more or would you rather it were cheaper.
And if you have no reason to complain about the price you have no further comment surely since you can pay whatever as you imply.

 

[64K]

Well, @Knoxx29 isn't a Windows 10 beta tester. At least there's that in his favor.

 

[Solaris17]

why would they want to cannibalize their own high margin product

"If you don't cannibalize yourself, someone else will" -Steve Jobs

because everyone does this. Microsoft sells diff OS versions at the same time. Car manufacturers produce 2 model years at the same time.

If anything this just drives R&D budget for the xeon range which will be good for that segment anyway.

 

[FireFox]

So I wasn't mistaken you do own one

Of course you were not mistaken but i guess you thought that was my Gaming Machine.

fine you paid full price , would you rather pay the same next time ,more or would you rather it were cheaper.

Right, i have always paid full price and i will continue doing so, if for cheaper you mean AMD, no thanks, i won't go cheaper.

And if you have no reason to complain about the price you have no further comment surely since you can pay whatever as you imply

You're not wrong about that bit

Intel CPU's are expensive? yes they are, but i pay whatever Intel charge for their CPU's.

 

[P4-630]

but i pay whatever Intel charge for their CPU's.

I'm sure intel loves you! Lol!

 

[Bill_Bright]

And to all the "Intel planned this for a long time" people, this seems very reactionary to me, as this has not been mentioned in a single leak until now.

Why do you assume one excludes the other? Do you have the same contemptuous sentiment against AMD when AMD suddenly releases a new CPU or GPU? Or do you just have disdain for Intel?

I say, that was the plan! That is, Intel has been planning for a long time to release their latest CPU after AMD releases theirs. Don't you ever "plan to react" to anything even when you don't know exactly when something will happen?

I know my son and grandson will be coming sometime this summer. But I don't know exactly when. But I am still planning on their visit and when they show up, I will react by taking my grandson to the zoo.

Ever heard of gas wars? Gas station owners keep watch of the competition all the time. They plan ahead to lower the prices of their gas as soon as they see the station across the street lower theirs.

Anybody take any business courses? This is just business as usual.

A lot of people agree that Intel didn't expect AMD to launch the kind of CPUs they did and they are clearly doing their best to come up with a counter ASAP. Why are you so defensive about this?

Oh bull feathers! Why are you so clearly critical of and offensive towards Intel?

Were their no rumors of AMD's new processor for months before it was released? Of course there were. Do you honestly believe Intel was totally blindsided by the Ryzen? Of course they weren't.

And why would there need to be leaks before hand? Corporate espionage very threats are real, not just from "legitimate" competition, but from counterfeiters too. If there were no leaks before Intel released the information, that's just good information security on the part of Intel.

Would all this criticism be happening if the shoes were reversed? That is, if the underdog company released a superior Ryzen on the heels of the top-dog's release of an inferior i9, would AMD be seeing all this animosity? No! This is just another case of some folks being prejudiced against the most successful.

FTR, I like AMD and I like Intel. We (consumers) need both so we have choices. Choices are good.

And the general public for letting Intel rape you on price for all these years without groundbreaking advancement and without even batting an eye.

Come on! This is more bull feathers! Not to mention insensitive. Do you know anyone who's been raped? I do and it was not by choice!

Nobody forced the general public to buy Intel. That was their choice. Why do people buy Cadillacs and BMWs when a Chevy or Volkswagen will get them from point A to point B just fine?

Why am I so defensive? I get that way when I see unwarranted, contemptuous disdain shown towards the innocent.

"Don't hate. Congratulate!"

 

[Mr.Scott]

LOL
You kill me.
Intel is far from innocent.
I'll just cite the collusion involving paying off OEM's to blackball AMD processors in favor of sub performing Intel processors on prebuilts roughly a decade ago.
And how about the GP paying premium dollar for Netburst P4's when AMD A64's were cheaper and kicking the snot out of them.
And the same thing when K7 was cheaper and better than PIII's.
Buy Intel, you pay extra for the name. Sometimes alot extra. That doesn't mean you're getting a better product.
Intel regularly uses it's clout rather than it's product to strong arm the market.

 

[FireFox]

We (consumers) need both

No offense but talk for your self.

I say, that was the plan! That is, Intel has been planning for a long time to release their latest CPU after AMD releases theirs.

I couldn't agree more with you
The fact is that many people won't admit that, and as you said it's not Intel scared, that was part of the plan.

I'm sure intel loves you! Lol!

Yeap, we love each other

 

[JalleR]

All tricks is in play to get the customers, AMD uses CORS for whatever reason.... confusing I guess....

 

[Bill_Bright]

No offense but talk for your self.

No offense taken, but my statement stands. "We (consumers) need both." We need Intel to keep looking over their shoulder to make sure AMD does not catch them - again. And we need AMD to keep nipping at the heels of Intel. Without AMD, R&D and advancements in the state-of-the-art will diminish. And without Intel, AMD will lose the incentive to keep trying harder.

Without both, consumers will have fewer and fewer choices. That is never good consumers. And without both, there is no incentive to make prices competitive.

Whether you feel you don't "need" both or not, you do - or at least you benefit from the fact there are two major processor manufacturers. Monopolies never result in lower prices or more choices for consumers.

Buy Intel, you pay extra for the name. Sometimes alot extra. That doesn't mean you're getting a better product.

That depends on your definition of better.

Both companies make "reliable" products. Better also depends on what you do with your processor; your needs. Better may mean more efficient, consumes less energy, generates less heat, compiles faster.

Intel is far from innocent.
I'll just cite the collusion involving paying off OEM's...

LOL You just proved my point. You are biased! You take an example from 10 years ago and hold a grudge for decades - then twist and contort your argument to bash them anyway you can.

What does 10 years ago have to do with releasing the i9 today? Nothing. And do you bash Dell and Apple with the same animosity? For it was Dell and Apple who chose Intel, made the deals with Intel, and greedily took Intel's money.

It's not even the same execs running Intel as then.

And if you think Intel was the only maker who had exclusive deals with computer makers, you are simply wrong!

And the general public for letting Intel rape you
Buy Intel, you pay extra for the name.

What you are implying, intentional or not, is that anybody who buys Intel is a fool with their money. Intentional or not, you are implying that all of us here at TPU who buy Intel are naive and gullible (and stupid for not doing our homework). Yeah right.

 

[Mr.Scott]

You are biased! You take an example from 10 years ago and hold a grudge for decades - then twist and contort your argument to bash them anyway you can.

There was no 'twist and contort'. Only fact.
Biased against criminal activity?, yes I am.
Dell and Apple?, yes. Collusion takes more than one party usually.

What you are implying, intentional or not, is that anybody who buys Intel is a fool with their money. Intentional or not, you are implying that all of us here at TPU who buy Intel are naive and gullible (and stupid for not doing our homework). Yeah right.

Speaking of twist and contort. lol
I said or implied nothing of the sort. It's your money, buy what you want.
For myself, I expect to get what I pay for is all.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I'm sure intel loves you! Lol!

Exactly and no knoxx refer to my last post as just about you and just buying intel , nothing to do with Amd.
@Knoxx29 the intel is Strrrooonnnng in you , your comments throughout this thread are biased trash.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I said or implied nothing of the sort.

Sure you did! In response to "who's to blame?" You said, and I quote,

the general public for letting Intel rape you on price for all these years

Your comments also suggest that all Intel processors are more expensive than all AMD processors in similar classes. Not true. Who's to blame for this. Would only fools buy the AMD?

But even if I paid $200 more for an Intel processor, once the motherboard, case, RAM, graphics card, drives, Windows, monitor, keyboard, mouse and power supply are factored in, that $200 becomes much less significant, perhaps even negligent. Spread that $200 over the expected life expectancy of 5 years, and we are talking less than $.11 per day! But let's get real - most Intels don't cost $200 more than a comparative AMD. So that will be considerably less than $.11. For many, that is getting more for their money when they go Intel.

 

[Mr.Scott]

Did they get more for their money with Netburst?

once the motherboard, case, RAM, graphics card, drives, Windows, monitor, keyboard, mouse and power supply are factored in, that $200 becomes much less significant, perhaps even negligent.

Irrelevant. You would need all of that regardless of what processor you chose.

 

[FireFox]

the intel is Strrrooonnnng in you ,

Nope, i just buy what it's worth/better for me.

your comments throughout this thread are biased trash

That comment you could keep it for your self, if you don't like what i post then skip it and read/quote the next post.