Intel pulling all the stops? 18-core X-series CPU coming?

[EarthDog]

Whoa. The more cores the new Intel chips have the slower the base clock speed is.

That is nothing new at all.

 

[R-T-B]

I'm talking about apps that are optimised for multicore not that have been optimised for amd....

Ah, thanks for clearing that up.

 

[EdInk]

Gimped by not choosing to use solder under IHS for a 140W+ CPU. ok, it may run on lower voltages but I think it's still a disservice unless statistics show the number of potential owners who will overclock these chips are insignificant.

 

[FireFox]

owners who will overclock these chips are insignificant

Thanks for the advice

 

[Keullo-e]

Gimped by not choosing to use solder under IHS for a 140W+ CPU. ok, it may run on lower voltages but I think it's still a disservice unless statistics show the number of potential owners who will overclock these chips are insignificant.

That's the most stupid thing they've done for a while. Those chips under 100W TDP does throttle so easily if not delidded, and add even more TDP to that.. *facepalm*


edit: der8auer is already made a working delid tool.

 

[dorsetknob]

As soon as they release the CPU i will be giving them my money

WTF........you mean you have not pre ordered and paid in advance

 

[FireFox]

WTF........you mean you have not pre ordered and paid in advance

I don't pre order when it's available at the PC shop i go and get it, to pre order something don't let me sleep.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

No offense but talk for your self.



I couldn't agree more with you
The fact is that many people won't admit that, and as you said it's not Intel scared, that was part of the plan.



Yeap, we love each other

the plan got changed as has been adequately stated , you wanted proof , heres some from anandtech but also note you will have to wait a while for the top dog to be ready.
so the 12 core is out as planned and the 18 core that is new to the plan is still in production no?
be biased , thats fine with me but dont chat rubbish intel clearly were SCARED, yeah i said it.

"Skylake-X, as we understand it, was initially set to have up to 12 core components, harvesting the smaller silicon used in the enterprise Xeon family. Part of today’s announcement is that Intel will also bring the middle-sized enterprise silicon to consumers, with Skylake-X parts being offered up to 18 cores. This is a break in what we traditionally get on the HEDT platform. Kaby Lake-X will re-use Kaby Lake-S silicon, but with the integrated graphics disabled and better design specifications to push the frequency higher over the mainstream versions".

 

[Bill_Bright]

the plan got changed as has been adequately stated , you wanted proof , heres some from anandtech

Where was it adequately stated? And where's that Anandtech link? Hearsay, rumors, and he said she said she heard from some vendor is no proof of anything.

Show us something from Intel - that would be proof.

I say Intel had a plan all along, and they simply implemented it.

I find all the animosity towards Intel fascinating, and disturbing at the same time. There's nothing wrong with more choices for consumers, people!

Being biased is NOT fine! By definition, it's a bad thing!

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Where was it adequately stated? And where's that Anandtech link? Hearsay, rumors, and he said she said she heard from some vendor is no proof of anything.

Show us something from Intel - that would be proof.

I say Intel had a plan all along, and they simply implemented it.

I find all the animosity towards Intel fascinating, and disturbing at the same time. There's nothing wrong with more choices for consumers, people!

Being biased is NOT fine! By definition, it's a bad thing!

firstly its not animosity from me just arguing with others with little to nothing to back their opinion, but he has a bias without a doubt and he does'nt deny it, I dont have a bias ,this doesnt matter to me , competition is all good and i typically have two intel systems about me at all times and one amd system but missinformation is rife , i set out this is my opinion and in this case im happy to back it up with what little evidence there is, but bare in mind intel doesnt even tell devs much about their chips or plans, these days never mind the public so expecting some slide to come out is dreamy at best.

secondly here is a link

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11461...new-highend-desktop-platform-and-x299-chipset

intel slides showing they changed their mind would be the only proof some of you may accept , i accept common sense and what i can see, rumours stopped at 10 core up until a few weeks ago max.
here pcperspectives news piece
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Proce...ounced-18-core-Skylake-X-Kaby-Lake-X-and-X299

heres the release cpu table, note how upto 10 core is well documented ,ready to go, beyond that not so much.



I accept this is not the intel derived proof you seek, dont mistake me as thinking this adequate, but ill happily wager the market will proove this right ie , lets see what chips are available when eh , id wager that 18 core does not show up on day 1 whereas the 10 core will.

 

[FireFox]

the plan got changed as has been adequately stated , you wanted proof , heres some from anandtech but also note you will have to wait a while for the top dog to be ready.
so the 12 core is out as planned and the 18 core that is new to the plan is still in production no?
be biased , thats fine with me but dont chat rubbish intel clearly were SCARED, yeah i said it.

"Skylake-X, as we understand it, was initially set to have up to 12 core components, harvesting the smaller silicon used in the enterprise Xeon family. Part of today’s announcement is that Intel will also bring the middle-sized enterprise silicon to consumers, with Skylake-X parts being offered up to 18 cores. This is a break in what we traditionally get on the HEDT platform. Kaby Lake-X will re-use Kaby Lake-S silicon, but with the integrated graphics disabled and better design specifications to push the frequency higher over the mainstream versions".

Seriously man, for how long will you continue going on and on and over and over again with the same thing, since yesterday i stopped quoting your posts but it looks like you don't want to stop quoting mine, man you are becoming a LOOP.



Btw, i never said that i wanted proof and i don't need it either, i don't care if Intel build a 18 cores CPU and AMD a 20 one that is not my business, all what it matters to me is buy a CPU make it run Overclock it and be happy.

 

[FR@NK]

Where are the benchmarks? Seems like there are ES chips out in the wild already.

Looks like the 10 core version will be the best of the lot if you still need strong single thread performance.

 

[Bill_Bright]

The proof or supporting evidence I asked to see is that which backs up the claims made by several in this thread that Intel was so suddenly caught off guard, that "they changed the scheduled release dates" for these new CPUs. I am not questioning anything else about cores or anything else.

Your core chart, for example, shows nothing about release dates, time tables or road maps.

I can find no time table showing when the i9s were initially going to be released that would show releasing them now is proof Intel panicked and released them early.

So I contend again, that Intel's plan all along was to release these new processors when the market dictated it - the plan did not involve any fixed date on the calendar. At least, I've seen no such plan and I've been looking too. Did AMD's release of their latest CPUs trigger Intel to take action? Maybe. I am just saying that was just part of the plan. And that plan is to always stay one step ahead of the competition. That's not evil. That's just normal business.

 

[Vya Domus]

You have to be very naive to think that companies such as AMD and Intel are clueless about whatever product their competitor is going to bring to the market from very early on.

That being said Intel was well aware of what AMD is going to do with Zen and HEDT looong before this info was even leaked to the public. At the same time so was AMD. No one has been caught off guard. What you see are products that have been on their road-map for a while now.

 

[Bill_Bright]

You have to be very naive to think that companies such as AMD and Intel are clueless about whatever product their competitor is going to bring to the market from very early on.

Exactly!

 

[EarthDog]

I fully believe intel reacted to Ryzen and perhaps may have brought it out earlier. However, in business, and life for that matter, there are other reasons than fear to react... especially under the mediocre response Ryzen received...

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

You have to be very naive to think that companies such as AMD and Intel are clueless about whatever product their competitor is going to bring to the market from very early on.

That being said Intel was well aware of what AMD is going to do with Zen and HEDT looong before this info was even leaked to the public. At the same time so was AMD. No one has been caught off guard. What you see are products that have been on their road-map for a while now.

That's the point they were not ,show a consumer roadmap with a 16 and 18 core in consumer space from before two weeks ago and this debates over , I can't show one without them, why because intel are soo tight lipped ,they won't confirm what features these even have yet , they could i mean they know the chips specs, and the Hcc chips don't even have announced speeds etc, because they don't know what they can or will have to clock them too ,to beat Threadripper.

 

[Vya Domus]

That's the point they were not ,show a consumer roadmap with a 16 and 18 core in consumer space from before two weeks ago and this debates over , I can't show one without them, why because intel are soo tight lipped ,they won't confirm what features these even have yet , they could i mean they know the chips specs, and the Hcc chips don't even have announced speeds etc, because they don't know what they can or will have to clock them too ,to beat Threadripper.

I am just highly doubtful of that , product cycles take so much time it is nearly impossible to be caught off guard like you suggest Intel has been.

The same company that currently has 14x more revenue than AMD .

Not releasing info for clocks hardly means anything especially when they provided the TDP ratings , isn't that more or less the same thing as telling what the clocks are ? If they truly rushed this they wouldn't even say that much. Take Vega as an example , it has been in development for a long time yet even to this date they haven't told us officially what the clocks are even though we are 100% sure of them. Why do you reckon that is ? Surely they must known what it can do by now.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Seriously man, for how long will you continue going on and on and over and over again with the same thing, since yesterday i stopped quoting your posts but it looks like you don't want to stop quoting mine, man you are becoming a LOOP.

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Btw, i never said that i wanted proof and i don't need it either, i don't care if Intel build a 18 cores CPU and AMD a 20 one that is not my business, all what it matters to me is buy a CPU make it run Overclock it and be happy.

And to come along and argue about stuff your biased on , im fine with you having an opinion.
Am i not allowed to express mine.

I am just highly doubtful of that , product cycles take so much time it is nearly impossible to be cought off guard like you suggest Intel has been.

The same company that currently has 14x more revenue than AMD .

Not releaseing info for clocks hardly means anything. Take Vega as an example , it has been in development for a long time yet even to this date they haven't told us officially what the clocks are even though we are 100% of them. Why do you reckon that is ? Surely they must known what it can do.

Yeah because they didn't know then don't want the competition knowing.
But these chips have been rolling a while , just not to consumers or do you see some great disparity i don't between this and xeons ,same thing much fused different, packaged different higher clocks.

 

[Vya Domus]

Yeah because they didn't know then don't want the competition knowing.
But these chips have been rolling a while , just not to consumers or do you see some great disparity i don't between this and xeons ,same thing much fused different, packaged different higher clocks.

It's not like AMD has a different design for every segment. Have you seen the socket for Threadripper ? It literally looks like it's made for 2x Ryzen 7 chips soldered together. And that's because it is in fact just that except in a more refined package. Naples ? Yeah you can just double on that again.

Current AMD design is just CCX modules fused together at different clocks. Scalability is the way to go , not just for AMD but also for Intel. Again this doesn't mean anything , I am not sure what you are trying to prove. What did you expect them to do ? Make a completely different design just for 1 market that accounts for so little ? Intel has cash but they don't waste it when it's not necessary.

 

[Lucas_]

I m loving my 1700X , AMD have done it and now we see some compitition .. but as expected intel prices is always as kidny Price ....

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

It's not like AMD has a different design for every segment. Have you seen the socket for Threadripper ? It literally looks like it's made for 2x Ryzen 7 chips soldered together. And that's because it is in fact just that except in a more refined package. Naples ? Yeah you can just double on that again.

Current AMD design is just CCX modules fused together at different clocks. Scalability is the way to go , not just for AMD but also for Intel. Again this doesn't mean anything , I am not sure what you are trying to prove. What did you expect them to do ? Make a completely different design just for 1 market that accounts for so little ? Intel has cash but they don't waste it when it's not necessary.

No quite the opposite, i agree wholeheartedly with your statement but they had such cpu branches for years.
They could have started work on the 18 core variety before the 12 but they didn't, because they didn't plan to ,if they held back the 18 core they would have had a release cycle in the pocket.
Intel make quite a few different cpus(arch typyes concurrently) ,much more then Amd.

I believe intel always has a few plans, but the one they are on now was forced by Ryzens performance and price, they would have kept their 18 core beauty for servers at 6-8k a pop but they are not selling as many in server's due to arm and are sure Ryzen will get some wins, , they can't wind down fab lines easy so stock builds up ,hey presto good times for sure.

As well as five lines i can recall they make old stuff still too for example.
Intel were still selling p4 on a new node upto 2015 or something, i know that because my company switched and still use sandybridge, now a legacy ,10 years support cpu.

 

[trparky]

Some are saying that these new chips are going to be using the same cheap paste that the older i7-7700k uses which of course will result in these things running hot as hell.

 

[FireFox]

Am i not allowed to express mine

Of course you are allowed to express yours, the problem is that you said this;

you wanted proof , heres some

I never asked for any proof.

 

[Flogger23m]

Ryzen kicked them pretty hard in the balls. Otherwise you guys would be lucky to see anything beyond 8 cores sometime in 2018... From Intel that is.

Not really. Yes it is forcing Intel to bring out some better CPUs in lower price brackets, but Ryzen isn't that great. Intel already had 8 core 16 thread CPUs for a while, but they were not in the low end consumer price brackets. Largely because they're not needed. If you're a gamer (what 70-80% of the DIY PC market is), then you're better off with a good quad core. If you're doing professional tasks that require a lot of CPU power, Ryzen isn't it. You can spend $250-300 more and get a notable faster CPU. And it will be well worth the small amount of money.

Ryzen's 8 core CPUs are nice though for the few people who need some power for encoding type stuff but aren't professionals / full time users and maybe play a few games on the side.