• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Microsoft Announces the Surface Go Convertible at $399

btarunr

Editor & Senior Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 9, 2007
Messages
46,283 (7.69/day)
Location
Hyderabad, India
System Name RBMK-1000
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
Motherboard ASUS ROG Strix B450-E Gaming
Cooling DeepCool Gammax L240 V2
Memory 2x 8GB G.Skill Sniper X
Video Card(s) Palit GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER GameRock
Storage Western Digital Black NVMe 512GB
Display(s) BenQ 1440p 60 Hz 27-inch
Case Corsair Carbide 100R
Audio Device(s) ASUS SupremeFX S1220A
Power Supply Cooler Master MWE Gold 650W
Mouse ASUS ROG Strix Impact
Keyboard Gamdias Hermes E2
Software Windows 11 Pro
Today, Microsoft announces Surface Go: the most portable and affordable Surface product yet. Many of us play different roles throughout the day, moving from work or school to home and everywhere in between. Our team designs every Surface to adapt to that dynamic lifestyle, to strike a balance between performance and versatility, form and function. Our products don't do just one thing because people don't do just one thing.

We pioneered categories like the 2:1 to provide the mobility of a tablet with the performance of a laptop, inspiring new ways of creating. As you pursue your passions, connect with friends and family, and work with your team, the products you're able to take on the go with you are the ones that can keep up with the huge range of things you want to accomplish.



That's the idea behind the design of Surface Go - our smallest, lightest, and most affordable Surface yet. When we designed this device, we had to ask ourselves what people want and need from a 10" Surface. The answers seem obvious - lightweight, productive, and accessible to more people. I'm pumped to introduce you to Surface Go, because it's all those things, and so much more.


Our smallest, lightest, and most affordable Surface yet
The power and connectivity in a device this small gives you the style and productivity Surface is known for in a more convenient package. At just 1.15 pounds and 8.3 mm thin, Surface Go packs portable performance into a 10" device. Starting at $399 MSRP, it represents a new entry point for the Surface family, while keeping the premium qualities that have come to define it.

Surface Go offers a stunning, custom-built high-resolution PixelSense Display that supports Surface Pen with 4096 levels of pressure sensitivity, low pen parallax, low latency, and precision for accurate note taking, drawing and computer-aided design. The custom calibrated 3:2 display is soft on your eyes while you're working and vibrantly high-contrast when you want to watch videos, create art, or edit photos.

In portrait mode, the screen was designed to render the page to the scale of most school textbooks, and in landscape mode, it can render pages side by side as if you were holding a paperback book in hand. At the approximate size of a composition notebook, writing on the screen feels natural and intuitive.

Since my two youngest daughters have started using Surface Go, I see them watching movies, reading, and drawing on it every day. It's the perfect device for them. And for me, whether I'm at home, in the office, or on a plane, putting my Surface Pen on the screen and letting my thoughts flow is a necessary step in my creative process. It's how I work. It's so easy to carry Surface Go with me so I can capture those moments, instantly.

Comforts of a laptop, convenience of a 10" tablet
Surface Go is small and mighty, giving you the performance you need to be productive. A device powered by the 7th Generation Intel Pentium Gold Processor 4415Y, in a fanless design, offering up to nine hours of battery. Our team worked closely with Intel to optimize power, performance, and battery for the most critical tasks people perform every day.

Being able to run Office apps on this device with its portability is one of the things that was critical to the experience we had in mind when we designed Surface Go - the productivity of having the apps you use for work and school with the flexibility to relax and read or watch a show on Netflix or Hulu.

Our new Surface Go Signature Type Cover is custom-made for Surface Go integrating design features that give the user the best typing experience possible, with ergonomic key pitch and exceptional key travel. It also has high precision tuning and Windows Precision Trackpad that supports five-point multi-finger gestures, and you can connect the new Surface Mobile Mouse to work the way that you want.

A built-in kickstand with full friction hinge that extends to 165 degrees helps you stay in your flow from tablet to studio mode, and a Windows Hello camera allows for familiar, quick, and secure sign-in using face recognition.

Surface Go also has the ports you need, including Surface Connect for charging and docking; USB-C 3.1 for data, video, and charging; a headphone jack; and a MicroSD card reader for storage expansion. All designed to help you be more productive whether you're studying in a library, working on a plane, or sharing your content in a boardroom on a 4K monitor.

Where do you want to Go?
Surface Go with Wi-Fi will be available for pre-order tomorrow, July 10 in select countries*, with products beginning to hit shelves on August 2. We're also happy to share that an LTE model will be arriving later this year.

For a family at home or on the move, an expert on the front line of a business interacting with customers, or a school that wants to provide its students with the most versatile tools for learning, this device offers a premium experience with incredible value.

Wherever the day takes you, and whatever unique tasks await you along the way, Surface Go moves with you.

Surface Go will be available for pre-order beginning on July 10 in the following markets, US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, UK, Ireland, France, Germany, Austria, Belgium, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Poland, Italy, Portugal, and Spain.

In the coming weeks, Surface Go will be available for pre-order in Japan, Singapore, Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, Thailand, Hong Kong, and in China with more markets to follow.

View at TechPowerUp Main Site
 
Joined
Nov 21, 2010
Messages
2,223 (0.46/day)
Location
Right where I want to be
System Name Miami
Processor Ryzen 3800X
Motherboard Asus Crosshair VII Formula
Cooling Ek Velocity/ 2x 280mm Radiators/ Alphacool fullcover
Memory F4-3600C16Q-32GTZNC
Video Card(s) XFX 6900 XT Speedster 0
Storage 1TB WD M.2 SSD/ 2TB WD SN750/ 4TB WD Black HDD
Display(s) DELL AW3420DW / HP ZR24w
Case Lian Li O11 Dynamic XL
Audio Device(s) EVGA Nu Audio
Power Supply Seasonic Prime Gold 1000W+750W
Mouse Corsair Scimitar/Glorious Model O-
Keyboard Corsair K95 Platinum
Software Windows 10 Pro
LoL, why is Microsoft doing hardware better than Apple? When they started their shift, I waited with popcorn and bated breath for what I imagined to be the inevitable flood of questionable design practices and flood of horror stories. So far the worst I've heard is their usual boring failure from unpopularity, the occasional but definite to occur bug, or words of the snob that will sooner go to the grave before admitting that something with a Microsoft logo can ever be good or good as xyz. While Apple remains my go to for spectacular design flaws, other cock-ups, and jackassery.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Sep 11, 2015
Messages
624 (0.20/day)
LoL, why is Microsoft doing hardware than Apple? When they started their shift, I waited with popcorn and bated breath for what I imagined to be the inevitable flood of questionable design practices and flood of horror stories. So far the worst I've heard is their usual boring failure from unpopularity, the occasional but definite to occur bug, or words of the snob that will sooner go to the grave before admitting that something with a Microsoft logo can ever be good or good as xyz. While Apple remains my go to for spectacular design flaws, other cock-ups, and jackassery.
Doing hardware than Apple is all the rage these days.
 
Joined
Nov 21, 2010
Messages
2,223 (0.46/day)
Location
Right where I want to be
System Name Miami
Processor Ryzen 3800X
Motherboard Asus Crosshair VII Formula
Cooling Ek Velocity/ 2x 280mm Radiators/ Alphacool fullcover
Memory F4-3600C16Q-32GTZNC
Video Card(s) XFX 6900 XT Speedster 0
Storage 1TB WD M.2 SSD/ 2TB WD SN750/ 4TB WD Black HDD
Display(s) DELL AW3420DW / HP ZR24w
Case Lian Li O11 Dynamic XL
Audio Device(s) EVGA Nu Audio
Power Supply Seasonic Prime Gold 1000W+750W
Mouse Corsair Scimitar/Glorious Model O-
Keyboard Corsair K95 Platinum
Software Windows 10 Pro
Joined
Nov 24, 2017
Messages
853 (0.37/day)
Location
Asia
Processor Intel Core i5 4590
Motherboard Gigabyte Z97x Gaming 3
Cooling Intel Stock Cooler
Memory 8GiB(2x4GiB) DDR3-1600 [800MHz]
Video Card(s) XFX RX 560D 4GiB
Storage Transcend SSD370S 128GB; Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB HDD
Display(s) Samsung S20D300 20" 768p TN
Case Cooler Master MasterBox E501L
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1150
Power Supply Corsair VS450
Mouse A4Tech N-70FX
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores BaseMark GPU : 250 Point in HD 4600
Ryzen 3 2200U or Core M3 7 would have been a better choise than Pantium.
 
Joined
Apr 12, 2013
Messages
6,729 (1.68/day)
LoL, why is Microsoft doing hardware better than Apple? When they started their shift, I waited with popcorn and bated breath for what I imagined to be the inevitable flood of questionable design practices and flood of horror stories. So far the worst I've heard is their usual boring failure from unpopularity, the occasional but definite to occur bug, or words of the snob that will sooner go to the grave before admitting that something with a Microsoft logo can ever be good or good as xyz. While Apple remains my go to for spectacular design flaws, other cock-ups, and jackassery.
This isn't really anything better than the best Apple has to offer, albeit at inflated prices.
 
Joined
Jan 19, 2012
Messages
459 (0.10/day)
Processor i5-13500
Motherboard MSI MAG B760 Tomahawk WiFi DDR4
Cooling Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 White
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 4x8GB 3200
Video Card(s) EVGA RTX3060 12GB
Storage 250GB NVME (main) 1TB SSD (Game) 1TB HDD (Storage) 2TB HDD (ext Backup)
Display(s) Benq 27" GW2765 + Asus 27" VE278 + 55" Hisense
Case Cougar MX600 White
Audio Device(s) Audiotrack Prodigy Cube DAC + Edifer S330D + Plantronics RIG 400
Power Supply Corsair AX760
Mouse Logitech G403 Hero
Keyboard EVGA Z15 Brown Tactile (Blue Oring, Lube, Silence Pad)
Ryzen 3 2200U or Core M3 7 would have been a better choise than Pantium.
neither of them would have been better. Ryzen 3 2200U is 4x higher TDP. M3 is slower base clocks and both costs are significantly higher.
Which would end up making Surface Go cost much higher.
 
Joined
Apr 12, 2013
Messages
6,729 (1.68/day)
neither of them would have been better. Ryzen 3 2200U is 4x higher TDP. M3 is slower base clocks and both costs are significantly higher.
Which would end up making Surface Go cost much higher.
6x4=24W wrt TDP. You sure you got the right numbers, not to mention 2200u should outperform the Pentium by a good margin especially in graphics :rolleyes:
Source for the much higher price OEM have to pay for 2200u :confused:
 
Joined
Nov 24, 2017
Messages
853 (0.37/day)
Location
Asia
Processor Intel Core i5 4590
Motherboard Gigabyte Z97x Gaming 3
Cooling Intel Stock Cooler
Memory 8GiB(2x4GiB) DDR3-1600 [800MHz]
Video Card(s) XFX RX 560D 4GiB
Storage Transcend SSD370S 128GB; Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB HDD
Display(s) Samsung S20D300 20" 768p TN
Case Cooler Master MasterBox E501L
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1150
Power Supply Corsair VS450
Mouse A4Tech N-70FX
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores BaseMark GPU : 250 Point in HD 4600
neither of them would have been better. Ryzen 3 2200U is 4x higher TDP. M3 is slower base clocks and both costs are significantly higher.
Which would end up making Surface Go cost much higher.
Ryzen 3 2200U is a 15W part ,so it only 2.5x high with better performance, And Core M3 7 is 1W less TDP and its on Core architecture not Atom based.
 
Joined
Sep 11, 2015
Messages
624 (0.20/day)
The main market for this are students for note taking and such, maybe some web browsing, portability. For this it's actually enough and a good price. It doesn't need good specs. It can have a trackpad or a mouse that even the iPad Pro doesn't offer. That's a much better selling point for this than a faster CPU. Oh, and a real operating system with Win10 - you only get iOS with iPads. Apple should lose many customers to Microsoft after this.
 
Last edited:

Frick

Fishfaced Nincompoop
Joined
Feb 27, 2006
Messages
18,914 (2.86/day)
Location
Piteå
System Name Black MC in Tokyo
Processor Ryzen 5 5600
Motherboard Asrock B450M-HDV
Cooling Be Quiet! Pure Rock 2
Memory 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury 3400mhz
Video Card(s) XFX 6950XT Speedster MERC 319
Storage Kingston A400 240GB | WD Black SN750 2TB |WD Blue 1TB x 2 | Toshiba P300 2TB | Seagate Expansion 8TB
Display(s) Samsung U32J590U 4K + BenQ GL2450HT 1080p
Case Fractal Design Define R4
Audio Device(s) Line6 UX1 + some headphones, Nektar SE61 keyboard
Power Supply Corsair RM850x v3
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Cherry MX Board 1.0 TKL Brown
VR HMD Acer Mixed Reality Headset
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores Rimworld 4K ready!
Ryzen 3 2200U is a 15W part ,so it only 2.5x high with better performance, And Core M3 7 is 1W less TDP and its on Core architecture not Atom based.

"Only 2.5x high". :rolleyes:

Anyway, nice! Looking forward to a review so much.
 
Joined
Apr 12, 2013
Messages
6,729 (1.68/day)
"Only 2.5x high". :rolleyes:

Anyway, nice! Looking forward to a review so much.
It's all relative, like I said preciously the GPU performs much better & even the CPU is miles better at 15W TDP.
Screenshot_2018-07-10 Mobile Processors - Benchmark List.png
Screenshot_2018-07-10 Mobile Graphics Cards - Benchmark List.png
The only reason to go as low as 6W IMO is passive cooling, otherwise these things will throttle fairly quickly!
 

Frick

Fishfaced Nincompoop
Joined
Feb 27, 2006
Messages
18,914 (2.86/day)
Location
Piteå
System Name Black MC in Tokyo
Processor Ryzen 5 5600
Motherboard Asrock B450M-HDV
Cooling Be Quiet! Pure Rock 2
Memory 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury 3400mhz
Video Card(s) XFX 6950XT Speedster MERC 319
Storage Kingston A400 240GB | WD Black SN750 2TB |WD Blue 1TB x 2 | Toshiba P300 2TB | Seagate Expansion 8TB
Display(s) Samsung U32J590U 4K + BenQ GL2450HT 1080p
Case Fractal Design Define R4
Audio Device(s) Line6 UX1 + some headphones, Nektar SE61 keyboard
Power Supply Corsair RM850x v3
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Cherry MX Board 1.0 TKL Brown
VR HMD Acer Mixed Reality Headset
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores Rimworld 4K ready!
It's all relative, like I said preciously the GPU performs much better & even the CPU is miles better at 15W TDP.
View attachment 103725View attachment 103724The only reason to go as low as 6W IMO is passive cooling, otherwise these things will throttle fairly quickly!

Yes but "only 2.5x the TDP" is ... a strange thing to say. It's a passively cooled tablet, not even a very slim ultrabook. Like in phones, those extra watts makes a big difference. People forget that 5W in electronics actually quite a lot to cool.
 
Joined
Apr 12, 2013
Messages
6,729 (1.68/day)
Yes but "only 2.5x the TDP" is ... a strange thing to say. It's a passively cooled tablet, not even a very slim ultrabook. Like in phones, those extra watts makes a big difference. People forget that 5W in electronics actually quite a lot to cool.
Yeah sure but the experience, with active cooling, is also much better. IIRC don't some of the (Android) tablets have active cooling, shield as well? As an aside, having used high end phones & mid range tablets for an extended period of time, I'd definitely avoid these passively cooled devices as much as I possibly can.
 
Joined
Dec 28, 2012
Messages
3,475 (0.85/day)
System Name Skunkworks
Processor 5800x3d
Motherboard x570 unify
Cooling Noctua NH-U12A
Memory 32GB 3600 mhz
Video Card(s) asrock 6800xt challenger D
Storage Sabarent rocket 4.0 2TB, MX 500 2TB
Display(s) Asus 1440p144 27"
Case Old arse cooler master 932
Power Supply Corsair 1200w platinum
Mouse *squeak*
Keyboard Some old office thing
Software openSUSE tumbleweed/Mint 21.2
All this talk of putting ryzen in, IMO ryzen would be a much better use case for the pro model, the larger body and active cooling would allow it to perform.

A platform like the surface go requires sub 5 watt real world power draw, and AMD just doesnt have anything like that yet.
Yeah sure but the experience, with active cooling, is also much better. IIRC don't some of the (Android) tablets have active cooling, shield as well? As an aside, having used high end phones & mid range tablets for an extended period of time, I'd definitely avoid these passively cooled devices as much as I possibly can.
The only SHIELD with active cooling was the OG shield, and that wasnt a tablet, it was a controller with a screen attatched, more comparable to a mobile console.

No other android OEM made a tablet with active cooling IIRC.

Not that many android tablets are even made anymore. Nvidia has long stopped, LG has given up, ece.
 
Joined
Nov 24, 2017
Messages
853 (0.37/day)
Location
Asia
Processor Intel Core i5 4590
Motherboard Gigabyte Z97x Gaming 3
Cooling Intel Stock Cooler
Memory 8GiB(2x4GiB) DDR3-1600 [800MHz]
Video Card(s) XFX RX 560D 4GiB
Storage Transcend SSD370S 128GB; Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB HDD
Display(s) Samsung S20D300 20" 768p TN
Case Cooler Master MasterBox E501L
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1150
Power Supply Corsair VS450
Mouse A4Tech N-70FX
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores BaseMark GPU : 250 Point in HD 4600
Yes but "only 2.5x the TDP" is ... a strange thing to say. It's a passively cooled tablet, not even a very slim ultrabook. Like in phones, those extra watts makes a big difference. People forget that 5W in electronics actually quite a lot to cool.
Microsoft Surface Go a hybrid device like Surface Pro which has 15W processor. It should have option of 15W CPUs. As not beign a tablet it should have active cooling.
 

Frick

Fishfaced Nincompoop
Joined
Feb 27, 2006
Messages
18,914 (2.86/day)
Location
Piteå
System Name Black MC in Tokyo
Processor Ryzen 5 5600
Motherboard Asrock B450M-HDV
Cooling Be Quiet! Pure Rock 2
Memory 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury 3400mhz
Video Card(s) XFX 6950XT Speedster MERC 319
Storage Kingston A400 240GB | WD Black SN750 2TB |WD Blue 1TB x 2 | Toshiba P300 2TB | Seagate Expansion 8TB
Display(s) Samsung U32J590U 4K + BenQ GL2450HT 1080p
Case Fractal Design Define R4
Audio Device(s) Line6 UX1 + some headphones, Nektar SE61 keyboard
Power Supply Corsair RM850x v3
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Cherry MX Board 1.0 TKL Brown
VR HMD Acer Mixed Reality Headset
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores Rimworld 4K ready!
Microsoft Surface Go a hybrid device like Surface Pro which has 15W processor. It should have option of 15W CPUs. As not beign a tablet it should have active cooling.

It is a tablet though, and 5mm thinner than the Pro. In a cramped device that is a lot.
 

Easy Rhino

Linux Advocate
Staff member
Joined
Nov 13, 2006
Messages
15,436 (2.43/day)
Location
Mid-Atlantic
System Name Desktop
Processor i5 13600KF
Motherboard AsRock B760M Steel Legend Wifi
Cooling Noctua NH-U9S
Memory 4x 16 Gb Gskill S5 DDR5 @6000
Video Card(s) Gigabyte Gaming OC 6750 XT 12GB
Storage WD_BLACK 4TB SN850x
Display(s) Gigabye M32U
Case Corsair Carbide 400C
Audio Device(s) On Board
Power Supply EVGA Supernova 650 P2
Mouse MX Master 3s
Keyboard Logitech G915 Wireless Clicky
Software The Matrix
All Surface products to date are poor performers and build quality leaves something to be desired. Not to mention it is running windows...
 
Joined
Nov 24, 2017
Messages
853 (0.37/day)
Location
Asia
Processor Intel Core i5 4590
Motherboard Gigabyte Z97x Gaming 3
Cooling Intel Stock Cooler
Memory 8GiB(2x4GiB) DDR3-1600 [800MHz]
Video Card(s) XFX RX 560D 4GiB
Storage Transcend SSD370S 128GB; Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB HDD
Display(s) Samsung S20D300 20" 768p TN
Case Cooler Master MasterBox E501L
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1150
Power Supply Corsair VS450
Mouse A4Tech N-70FX
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores BaseMark GPU : 250 Point in HD 4600
Joined
Dec 16, 2017
Messages
2,722 (1.19/day)
Location
Buenos Aires, Argentina
System Name System V
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard Asus Prime X570-P
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 // a bunch of 120 mm Xigmatek 1500 RPM fans (2 ins, 3 outs)
Memory 2x8GB Ballistix Sport LT 3200 MHz (BLS8G4D32AESCK.M8FE) (CL16-18-18-36)
Video Card(s) Gigabyte AORUS Radeon RX 580 8 GB
Storage SHFS37A240G / DT01ACA200 / WD20EZRX / MKNSSDTR256GB-3DL / LG BH16NS40 / ST10000VN0008
Display(s) LG 22MP55 IPS Display
Case NZXT Source 210
Audio Device(s) Logitech G430 Headset
Power Supply Corsair CX650M
Mouse Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0
Keyboard HP Vectra VE keyboard (Part # D4950-63004)
Software Whatever build of Windows 11 is being served in Dev channel at the time.
Benchmark Scores Corona 1.3: 3120620 r/s Cinebench R20: 3355 FireStrike: 12490 TimeSpy: 4624
All Surface products to date are poor performers and build quality leaves something to be desired. Not to mention it is running windows...

Maybe. I'll bet that any hardware problem means going straight to some Microsoft Support place... And leaving the device there for a few days at best. For me it's always been a big disappointment the fact that Surface devices can not be upgraded, and that they are nearly impossible to repair by yourself.
 

Nkd

Joined
Sep 15, 2007
Messages
364 (0.06/day)
6x4=24W wrt TDP. You sure you got the right numbers, not to mention 2200u should outperform the Pentium by a good margin especially in graphics :rolleyes:
Source for the much higher price OEM have to pay for 2200u :confused:

This is a budget product. It will do fine for everything from spreadsheets to regular work. This isn't designed to be performance power house. Yet it will still be able to do anything more than apple has to offer though. So still a better deal over productivity wise.
 
Joined
May 30, 2018
Messages
1,890 (0.89/day)
Location
Cusp Of Mania, FL
Processor Ryzen 9 3900X
Motherboard Asus ROG Strix X370-F
Cooling Dark Rock 4, 3x Corsair ML140 front intake, 1x rear exhaust
Memory 2x8GB TridentZ RGB [3600Mhz CL16]
Video Card(s) EVGA 3060ti FTW3 Ultra Gaming
Storage 970 EVO 500GB nvme, 860 EVO 250GB SATA, Seagate Barracuda 1TB + 4TB HDDs
Display(s) 27" MSI G27C4 FHD 165hz
Case NZXT H710
Audio Device(s) Modi Multibit, Vali 2, Shortest Way 51+ - LSR 305's, Focal Clear, HD6xx, HE5xx, LCD-2 Classic
Power Supply Corsair RM650x v2
Mouse iunno whatever cheap crap logitech *clutches Xbox 360 controller security blanket*
Keyboard HyperX Alloy Pro
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores ask your mother
LoL, why is Microsoft doing hardware better than Apple? When they started their shift, I waited with popcorn and bated breath for what I imagined to be the inevitable flood of questionable design practices and flood of horror stories. So far the worst I've heard is their usual boring failure from unpopularity, the occasional but definite to occur bug, or words of the snob that will sooner go to the grave before admitting that something with a Microsoft logo can ever be good or good as xyz. While Apple remains my go to for spectacular design flaws, other cock-ups, and jackassery.
Apple's problem isn't just their design flaws, those in themselves can be compensated for... ...it's the fact they won't fix your $1000+ pile of shit when it inevitably breaks just out of their criminally short and exclusive warranties - they'll probably blame you, they don't want other people to fix shit they themselves do not offer a solution for or even cover under warranty, and they make it so that when they do break, they're almost impossible to fix, assuming you manage to take a new apple product apart without breaking anything, what with riveted in keyboards with critical failure points, soldered on parts, glued-together devices... even Apple cannot fix their own shit. Something as simple as replacing a screen on a new iphone is almost impossible and often requires specialized equipment, now. And if you wanna upgrade, buy a new product, cuz everything really is soldered on now. Want 16gb of ram? Shoulda paid a few hundred more for that model! And forget about data recovery with soldered on SSD's... ...if the logic board fails, you're just done.

It's crazy... ...to them changing broken parts in an iphone makes it counterfeit. And by doing that repair you are making a fake apple and passing it off. Non oem screens are contraband - they get seized by customs as fakes. Fixing an Apple makes it a PC to them. And a schematic is an intellectual property. Trade secrets lol. They want 3rd party repair to be literally illegal. And yet they themselves will not offer actual repairs for most of their design flaws.

But other companies man... ...I don't know about that. They all try to copy Apple these days... ...the problem is they don't copy the things that make Apple good. They always mimic the stuff that makes Apple shitty... ...like making phones so thin and frail that the PCB's get damaged with regular use, or cutting down on water resistance, or eliminating the SD slot, or making the battery non-removable. Every time Apple comes out with something dumb and terrible, other companies follow. They see what apple is making off of their crap products and assuming that people want that. That and because apple gets away with it, they want a peice of that.

I swear, if Apple had it their way, nobody would own their products... ...they'd only be renting them. I think what they really want is for their customers to shell out thousands of dollars for a new product every year instead of every several years. And people actually try to rationalize the way they do business!

All in all, crap like this is bad for tech as a whole. It's setting a really crappy precedent. As long as consumers allow them to get away with completely ripping them off, they'll keep doing it and everyone else will follow.

Apple used to be good. The ecosystem was actually really good and flexible and that's what you paid for. Everything just worked together with no fuss and everything ran smooth/virus free. But every year they come up with new ways to make doing the simplest things... ...things any pc can do, a total convoluted mess. They take away the features that made them a joy to use. It's basically become a game of "what can we get away with before we get sued this year?" for them.

*sighhh* And now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
 
Joined
May 2, 2017
Messages
7,762 (3.08/day)
Location
Back in Norway
System Name Hotbox
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, 110/95/110, PBO +150Mhz, CO -7,-7,-20(x6),
Motherboard ASRock Phantom Gaming B550 ITX/ax
Cooling LOBO + Laing DDC 1T Plus PWM + Corsair XR5 280mm + 2x Arctic P14
Memory 32GB G.Skill FlareX 3200c14 @3800c15
Video Card(s) PowerColor Radeon 6900XT Liquid Devil Ultimate, UC@2250MHz max @~200W
Storage 2TB Adata SX8200 Pro
Display(s) Dell U2711 main, AOC 24P2C secondary
Case SSUPD Meshlicious
Audio Device(s) Optoma Nuforce μDAC 3
Power Supply Corsair SF750 Platinum
Mouse Logitech G603
Keyboard Keychron K3/Cooler Master MasterKeys Pro M w/DSA profile caps
Software Windows 10 Pro
Ryzen 3 2200U is a 15W part ,so it only 2.5x high with better performance, And Core M3 7 is 1W less TDP and its on Core architecture not Atom based.
The core m3-7y30 has a listed tray price of $281 - 74% higher than the $161 of the 4415Y. While MS is likely to get some serious rebates on chips compared to tray list prices, there's no way they'd get the m3 into a $399 tablet.

As for the 4415Y, it's a Kaby Lake part, not Atom based at all. That's Pentium Silver you're thinking of, not Gold. The m3 would no doubt be faster (1GHz higher turbo, twice the cache), but also significantly more expensive. I'd rather take the cheaper tablet, thank you. Besides, MS already uses the m3 in the entry-level Surface Pro, and it would be an odd choice to put the same CPU in a tablet at half the price of that with the same parts. If anything, that would force the price for the entry-level Surface Pro down by at least $200, which is definitely not what MS wants (as that would tank sales once they launch an upgraded model at what would then be an effective $200 price increase).
 
Joined
Apr 12, 2013
Messages
6,729 (1.68/day)
This is a budget product. It will do fine for everything from spreadsheets to regular work. This isn't designed to be performance power house. Yet it will still be able to do anything more than apple has to offer though. So still a better deal over productivity wise.
Hence the need for active cooling! Anyone who's worked with Windows knows that without a certain level of CPU horsepower, Windows will bring the system to it's knees if you're not careful with the kind of work you do on Atom level devices. I know it's KBL based but still passively cooled & 2c4t Pentium. I've got little problem with the concept, but a full fledged Windows isn't your Android or iOS that works nonchalantly on el cheapo devices, especially in laptop mode for extended periods of time. I'd definitely loved to be proven wrong, waiting for reviews now.
 
Top