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That turbo m.2 card, mom, please..................
 
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Hello, it's 1987 calling, and we want ALL our ps/2 devices and connectors and dongles and other stuff back like YESTERDAY o_O :kookoo: :eek:

And in case you didn't know, ALL your ps stuffs are belong to us, and only us. Always has, always will :D

That turbo m.2 card, mom, please..................

gimme pleeeze....
 
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but...but... all those features only USB can offer :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I mean, for a keyboard? Literally the PS/2 does more.

I miss a PS/2 port as much as AGP, PCI, ISA, PATA etc. legacy connectors. :rolleyes:

PS/2 actually holds advatages over USB for keyboards.

Hello, it's 1987 calling, and we want ALL our ps/2 devices and connectors and dongles and other stuff back like YESTERDAY

Lol, nope. Not from me anyways.

Though I do actually have a 1988ish model M that still works. PS/2 only. Made better than most of the crap today, to say the least. :laugh:
 

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That said it's not too difficult to do it from Windows anyway, unless there's some horrible error that needs fixed in UEFI setup that causes it to crash on startup... though it's an annoying unnecessary step at best.
That's true for casual users, but when it's a part of your daily work routine - it's not just an annoyance, it's a f#$%g nightmare.

I miss a PS/2 port as much as AGP, PCI, ISA, PATA etc. legacy connectors. :rolleyes:
Hello, it's 1987 calling, and we want ALL our ps/2 devices and connectors and dongles and other stuff back like YESTERDAYo_O:kookoo::eek:
"No one needs it 'cause I don't use it" or "It's too old and must die" logic is about as ignorant as it gets.
 

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"No one needs it 'cause I don't use it" or "It's too old and must die" logic is about as ignorant as it gets.
But why there should be one for a high-end motherboard? I can't even remember when I've used that ancient connector in my main PC. People are "yay, finally we got rid of DVI", and in the meantime "there must be a PS/2 connector for grandpa's old keyboard" :rolleyes:
 
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But why there should be one for a high-end motherboard?

Because the chief benefits are specifically for high end users (full n-key rollover, faster latencies, and extreme overclocking stability benefits).

It's not "grandapas old keyboard" either. My WASD CODE was made last year.

That, and model M's are still pretty epic, if we need to go there.
 

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But why there should be one for a high-end motherboard?
It's not just a "high-end" motherboard. As you've noticed from MSIs own marketing babble, it's a product aimed at professionals and overclockers.
For overclocking PS/2 is mandatory, cause if you do Dice or LN2, you have to disable as many peripherals as possible to achieve best stability. This includes PCH USB hubs, third-party USB hubs (like that AsMedia IC), unused SATA etc.
For professionals it usually boils down to ease and cost of integration into existing infrastructure. So, if it's used for rendering, it might be connected to a KVM switch which with a legacy interface like VGA/DVI+PS/2.
For enthusiasts PS/2 is also a desired option, because USB can't offer a true NKRO, and software implementations usually suffer from increased latency: even though OEMs will shove a bunch of bullshit marketing numbers at you, like "this KB has a maximum 1000Hz polling rate", "Supports NKRO" etc., which means jack shit if your KB can't reach anywhere near that max with NKRO enabled. Whole different story with gaming mice, where raw throughput is actually more important (with some caveats, of course).

It's not super-duper critical and most people can get by without PS/2, but it should be much higher on the priority list than having a CLR_CMOS and FLASHBACK buttons on the rear IO panel and not some other spot, or more important than having a third-party USB controller for no reason at all, or cause they were too lazy to do a breakout directly from AMD chipset (x399 has two built-in Gen2 lanes and 14 Gen1 lanes).


People are "yay, finally we got rid of DVI", and in the meantime "there must be a PS/2 connector for grandpa's old keyboard"
I was never a big fan of this decision either.
Let me give you a few examples from my every day life...
One of my usuals (IT company w/ 40+ employees and even more PCs) has a bunch of older Dell, BenQ and Samsung monitors, which only include VGA and DVI ports. No one wants to spend a ton of money on upgrading perfectly functional and more than adequate monitors until they die or start malfunctioning. This means that every time we buy a new PC, we have to invest into additional stuff like passive HDMI-DVI cables or active transceivers.

My other customer was also furious, when I told him that we need HDMI-VGA or DP-DVI adapters, cause his old but once very expensive KVM switch, which was doing just fine for the past 5 years, cannot be connected to those 6 Skylake workstations which we needed to prep for departure to Huawei HQ in the next 4-5 hours. They did have PS/2 ports, thankfully.
So, I had to make a quick run across the city and spend an extra $100 and 2 hours of work time, cause "old interfaces", and "compatibility" for some reason are the least prioritized aspects nowadays, even in enterprise market segment.
 
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I guess then so..

But then again, the amount of dice/LN2 overclockers are pretty damn small when compared to us "normal" users.
 

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But then again, the amount of dice/LN2 overclockers are pretty damn small when compared to us "normal" users.
The number of people who would realistically get a $500 x399 motherboard amongst "normal users" is also very-very small comparing to the ones who'd rather build a 2nd gen ryzen rig for games at 1/3 of the cost.
 
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Is that your pickup line? :D
"Hey baby, why dont we go back to my clean room and you can show me how you apply thermal paste... you can get it a little dirty if you want."

Or maybe "Damn... id like to see HER delidded temperatures..."

And then theres always "ive got a big can of duster at home... why dont you come over and ill dust off those heatsinks of yours. Dont worry ill be real gentle with your smds."

I can do this all day.:D

Real talk if any woman ever hit me with something like that, id marry her then and there.
 
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It very much can. Please stop spreading false propaganda. ;)

If you referring to x16x8x16x8 layout. This setup cannot be altered, AMD enforces that kind of lane split on manufacturers, only lanes coming from PCH are "free" to chop and change as company X Y Z sees fit. There is nothing outside super-computer stuff that can saturate Gen.3 x8 bandwidth at the moment anyway. Was running quad 1080Ti on X99 all in x8 mode without any adverse effects on anything - gaming, rendering, encoding. I had 3 AMD Pro WX cards in my other X99 rig working in x8 mode also without issues. Now running X399 system and haven't seen shred of evidence that card in x8 slot is slower than in x16.

I only hope that MSI offers that Quad M.2 card as a separate product. It seems way better thought out that Asus Hyper x16 or AsRock weird diagonal slot placement, while Gigabyte for now locked theirs to server market only :kookoo:.

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As a side note, WTH all VRM heatsinks have too look like fashion statement instead being actually heatsinks? Threadripper rips through power bill faster than light, when OC it can draw truly obscene amount of power and neither of these "heatsinks" can deal with that heat (across all vendors).
I’m talking about the fact that you can’t physically fit more than 3 dual slot graphics cards... that wasn’t propaganda, and nor did the PCIe lane count have anything to do with what I meant by that...
 
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I’m talking about the fact that you can’t physically fit more than 3 dual slot graphics cards... that wasn’t propaganda, and nor did the PCIe lane count have anything to do with what I meant by that...
Risers sort out everything in life when space is an issue :D
 
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Risers sort out everything in life when space is an issue :D
Most cases don’t offer that in addition to the horizontal expansion slots...
 
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Most cases don’t offer that in addition to the horizontal expansion slots...
If there is a will, there is a way ;)
 
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