AMD Radeon VII Hands On at CES 2019

[TheGuruStud]

If you can pay 20$ for a subscription you can def put aside $20/month for your next gpu upgrade, say every 3 years. That's $720 saved up. I mean, my wife has a phone bill of like $115 a month while mine is like $25 lol. Meaning i save $3240 in 3 years time. So yeah, i'm getting that 2080 soon.

You need to take control of the money. Phone bill should be 50 max and that's including tons of data. She's pissing it away. She must buy lots of nvidia products

 

[toyo]

I wish people would stop trying to find excuses for these corporations. Not long ago we got 970s and 1070s at decent prices that competed with the previous Ti card. AMD was always treasured for ONE thing the most:
- consumer friendly (supposedly)
- not as greedy as Nvidia/Intel
- price disruption
Few want to buy AMD at the very top end unless it is actually BETTER performance for a lower price, considering the fewer features and underdog status.
And basically 699 is top mainstream, ignore the 1200 dreams of Titan-equivalent prices from Nvidia. People hope for something akin to how the 4850 was back in the day, forcing Nvidia to drop prices and making them pay for their greed.
But just like in the past, when AMD had a good performing Athlon, they positioned it to 1000USD immediately, showing everyone what they should have always known:
- AMD is just as greedy as Nvidia
- neither of the big 3 is consumer friendly
And since these corporations don't look out for US, the consumer, we shouldn't EVER say their pricing schemes are OK and just fine, and try to find justifications, like "16GB HBM2" and "still Vega". For the consumer, these things don't matter, price is what matters first, and consumers should look for THEIR interest, NOT the corporation's.
TL;DR: people should each of the big 3 when they come with greedy disappointing prices, and also reward them for products such as the GTX970 (yes, it worked fine even with the fake 0.5VRAM, even on full 4GB VRAM used), HD4850 or even the 8700K, which in my country sold for the same price as the 7700K and BELOW the 1700x and 1800x.

 

[Dimi]

You need to take control of the money. Phone bill should be 50 max and that's including tons of data. She's pissing it away. She must buy lots of nvidia products

T-mobile in NYC is expensive lol and yes she uses a GTX 1070 But she only plays at 1080p@60hz, i play at 1440@165hz and my 1070 is showing its age.

 

[sutyi]

8GB frame buffer is not possible with its current memory configuration.
They need to cut the bus width and ROP count to half to make this an 8GB card which means significant performance decrease.
A radeon VII with 8GB frame buffer would perform like an overclocked Vega 64.

Forgot about the backend. You are right.

Why are people expecting a "price disruption" from a card that comes with the most expensive version of the most expensive memory currently in the industry is beyond me...

Actually demand is higher for this HBM2 density, so it's cheaper than GDDR6.

 

[Prince Valiant]

so performance wise this needs to go to toe to toe with a rtx 2080 across the board, min, max, avg. - i had a chance to buy a rtx 2080 for $599 free ship no tax with ebays site wide promo i backed out at last second then 5 mins later it was sold out. i have some regrets. and something tells me this $700 card won't even beat the 2080. dangit. shoulda went with my gut instinct and just bought the 2080

I wouldn't feel too bad about that. There's a good chance the 2080 is going to drop in price if this maintains availability.

 

[Space Lynx]

I wouldn't feel too bad about that. There's a good chance the 2080 is going to drop in price if this maintains availability.

yeah, I am in no rush anyway. i have so many games on backlog at this point, my 1070 literally prob last me another 3-4 years before i even dent my backlog from 5+ years ago lol... and these are games I really want to play and finish still too, so yeah i need to get on that instead of worrying about the cutting edge. i used to upgrade every generation. really surprised i didn't this time nor have the urge too. just starting tor ealize how dumb i was is all.

 

[Manu_PT]

This is a great idea until you realize 20 games later you're already down $1,200 on consoles. And that's assuming you play only titles that don't require a subscription.

Wrong. Console games are as cheap, if not cheaper, than pc games. Myths from 2010. Do your research.

 

[Space Lynx]

Wrong. Console games are as cheap, if not cheaper, than pc games. Myths from 2010. Do your research.

yeah this is kind of true too, ebay used games + they actually do have deep discount sales like steam these days. they never used to, its relatively new tho in last few years that the discounts went as deep as PC games do. but yeah

personally i am still sticking with gamefly subscription 2 games out at a time, thats all i have time for anyway, and i never have to buy games that way, can play a single story game, enjoy it, go at my own pace, then swap it in when done or beat. works great at a great price.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

For the people looking at the 29% average and freaking out about it. Keep in mind thats with 25 games averaged together. AMD tested various titles including NVIDIA centric ones. If you cherry pick the results then obvious the average will move up. Honestly I surprised by their game choice.

Assassin's Creed Odyssey, Battlefield 1, Battlefield 5, Call of Duty: Black Ops 4,Destiny 2,Deus x: Mankind Divided, Doom (2016), F1 2018, Fallout 76, Far Cry 5, Forza Horizon 4, Grand Theft Auto V, Hitman 2, Just Cause 4, Middle-Earth: Shadow Of War, Monster Hunter World, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Sid Meier's Civilization VI, Star Control: Origins, Strange Brigade, The Witcher 3, Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Wildlands, Total War: Warhammer 2, Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus

 

[medi01]

when AMD had a good performing Athlon, they positioned it to 1000USD immediately

Oh, shut the hell up. They positioned it right where "extreme" edition of Pentium (a slower CPU) was.

- AMD is just as greedy as Nvidia

Even Intel is not as greedy as nvidia, let alone AMD.

 

[XXL_AI]

yet another amd crap. try again amd, you are a few years behind of your competitor.

 

[Ravenas]

Is Sapphire making these?

 

[INSTG8R]

Is Sapphire making these?

Well they are the top AIB for AMD and they used to make the ATI branded cards for them back in the day so very possible.

 

[Mistral]

This is essentially a content creation card with good gaming capabilities. Not bad at all at that price point, if that's what you need.

 

[Deleted member 6693]

Beautifully - reminds me a little bit about the 5800 series when it came out - aesthetically

 

[Jism]

TBH I rather they cut a few more CUs and clock the card higher or lower power consumption.
Vega being so Geometry limited doesn't really ultilize all those steam processors, Vega 56 is pretty much on-par with 64 clock for clock.
Its basically the same issue with Fury vs Fury X.

This card does seem to have 128ROPS vs 64 the original Vega has. Cutted down SP's from 64 to 60 and a clock up to 1.8Ghz or so on air is not so bad.

 

[eidairaman1]

who is the idiot that buy high end gpu to play at 1080p?

Crank details to max in game and in the control panel.

I do that with a r9 290 with 1280x1024.

I wish people would stop trying to find excuses for these corporations. Not long ago we got 970s and 1070s at decent prices that competed with the previous Ti card. AMD was always treasured for ONE thing the most:
- consumer friendly (supposedly)
- not as greedy as Nvidia/Intel
- price disruption
Few want to buy AMD at the very top end unless it is actually BETTER performance for a lower price, considering the fewer features and underdog status.
And basically 699 is top mainstream, ignore the 1200 dreams of Titan-equivalent prices from Nvidia. People hope for something akin to how the 4850 was back in the day, forcing Nvidia to drop prices and making them pay for their greed.
But just like in the past, when AMD had a good performing Athlon, they positioned it to 1000USD immediately, showing everyone what they should have always known:
- AMD is just as greedy as Nvidia
- neither of the big 3 is consumer friendly
And since these corporations don't look out for US, the consumer, we shouldn't EVER say their pricing schemes are OK and just fine, and try to find justifications, like "16GB HBM2" and "still Vega". For the consumer, these things don't matter, price is what matters first, and consumers should look for THEIR interest, NOT the corporation's.
TL;DR: people should each of the big 3 when they come with greedy disappointing prices, and also reward them for products such as the GTX970 (yes, it worked fine even with the fake 0.5VRAM, even on full 4GB VRAM used), HD4850 or even the 8700K, which in my country sold for the same price as the 7700K and BELOW the 1700x and 1800x.

I call BS on Top mainstream, no highend card for consumers is worth more than 500.

Only when you get into workstations which are typically corporation bought count.

 

[Ravenas]

Well they are the top AIB for AMD and they used to make the ATI branded cards for them back in the day so very possible.

Back in the day? They made Vega 64 reference.

 

[Deleted member 50521]

source: https://hardforum.com/threads/here-are-amds-radeon-vii-benchmarks.1975236/

The Fury X reference cooler was an AIO. Literally still the best reference cooler ever shipped (Vega 64 LC, R9 295X2 also withstanding) on a reference card. What are you smoking, and would you like to share?

Quite a large number of FuryX pump died within or just outside of 2yrs warranty when you search around. The default AIO quality is meh at best.

Source: me as previous FuryX owner had to pay out of pocket to get it fixed. Would not touch another factory AIO GPU.

 

[INSTG8R]

Back in the day? They made Vega 64 reference.

Then you answered your own question no? I’m just going by Sapphire cards I’ve owned which is all of them dating back to the 9800. Ruby was under the Sapphire sticker on my X1900s.

 

[Ravenas]

Then you answered your own question no? I’m just going by Sapphire cards I’ve owned which is all of them dating back to the 9800. Ruby was under the Sapphire sticker on my X1900s.

How did I answer my question? Sapphire manufactured Vega 64 reference. The question was who is manufacturing Vega 7 reference...

 

[Apocalypsee]

Does this card really have 128 ROPs? If its really based on Vega 20 I saw the Instinct MI50/60 specs here on TPU database only have 64 ROPs?

 

[eidairaman1]

Wrong. Console games are as cheap, if not cheaper, than pc games. Myths from 2010. Do your research.

60 bucks, not cheap

 

[INSTG8R]

How did I answer my question? Sapphire manufactured Vega 64 reference. The question was who is manufacturing Vega 7 reference...

Who else would then? The partnership is decades old I don’t see it changing do you?

 

[Zubasa]

This card does seem to have 128ROPS vs 64 the original Vega has. Cutted down SP's from 64 to 60 and a clock up to 1.8Ghz or so on air is not so bad.

The ROPs are on the rendering back end, and that is not actually the main issue with GCN.
The main issue is the fact that Vega 20 keeps the same 4 Geometry Engine limit all the way back from Hawaii.
The whole Geometry Fast Path / Next Gen Geometry feature was suppose to get around that, and it was suppose be done hardware/driver side, and that never happened on Vega 10.

Does this card really have 128 ROPs? If its really based on Vega 20 I saw the Instinct MI50/60 specs here on TPU database only have 64 ROPs?

AMD certainly did not, it is all speculation until AMD release detail spec / the card is released.