AMD Ryzen 5000 "Zen 3" "Vermeer" Launch Liveblog

[v12dock]

Hmm... Do I go to Microcenter on the 5th...

 

[B-Real]

Let me be brutally honest. AMD is no different than Intel in terms of dictating prices when they have the performance crown.

And who said that AMD is a charitable organization? While they were building the brand, they brought CPUs with lower price and of course better price/performance ratio. But don't worry: with Zen 3, they will still own the better price/performance product title. And I bet that the 5800X for $450 will be better or very close to the 10900K for $488 (which is more like $650).

And do not forget that while with an AMD B motherboard, you get full memory frequency support and the ability to OC, while you can only get higher than 2400 MHz memory with Z Intel mobos, as well as OC capability.

Where is the 5ghz hype train?

Don't worry, blue boy, your only point remains is to watch the frequency numbers while knowing your 10900K will be beaten by an AMD product. LOL.

 

[Octopuss]

So there won't be any new motherboards, not even new revisions or whatever? I mean, I guess I can buy one now if I run into a discount, good deal or something, right?

 

[birdie]

you will just be able to pay for a new CPU to upgrade where with Intel, you always have to add the cost of a new motherboard.

Firstly, Intel normally allows two generations of CPUs for the same socket/chipset, so you're basically lying.

Secondly, considering their anemic performance gains from Sandy Bridge up to Comet Lake (for almost eight years) you must have had more money than common sense to upgrade each generation.

With AMD it's indeed different because I don't remember the last time Intel offered a 20% IPC generational uplift. Probably it was Sandy Bridge back in 2011. Ice Lake is around 18% but it hasn't been released as a desktop part and won't be.

So there won't be any new motherboards, not even new revisions or whatever? I mean, I guess I can buy one now if I run into a discount, good deal or something, right?

Why would you need a new mobo when the X570 chipset has all the bells and whistles? PCI-E 4.0, USB 3.2 gen 2, etc.

 

[Nater]

So there won't be any new motherboards, not even new revisions or whatever? I mean, I guess I can buy one now if I run into a discount, good deal or something, right?

There already are new revisions announced. The new Asus boards are on the front page now. I'm sure there will be more from other brands to follow in the next month.

Just no new chipsets, as of yet. Doesn't sound like their will be until AM5.

 

[birdie]

And when you thought that AMD has basically started price gouging with Ryzen 5000, only the 5600X CPU will feature a stock cooler which means it's not a $50 difference, it's even larger.

What kind of justification would AMD lovers provide? I'm just curios.

 

[B-Real]

So there won't be any new motherboards, not even new revisions or whatever? I mean, I guess I can buy one now if I run into a discount, good deal or something, right?

Even the B450-X470 mobos will be able to run these CPUs. But there will definitely be new boards later on: if you check the title here, it says "AMD Confirms Ryzen 4000 ‘Zen 3’ Desktop CPU Compatibility With X570 & B550 Motherboards", which 100% means there will be new models.

 

[Deleted member 187435]

It's good for the consumer that they've finally caught up with Intel in gaming, it's been a long time coming and better late than never. It's a shame they've hiked the prices above Intel levels.

Anyone buying a new CPU will want to consider these but nobody with a recent CPU from either company should feel any urgent imperative to upgrade.

 

[R0H1T]

Firstly, Intel normally allows two generations of CPUs for the same socket/chipset, so you're basically lying.

Normally right so z270--z370-z390 & now z490, are you sure you aren't the one who's lying here?

 

[Nater]

And when you thought that AMD has basically started price gauging with Ryzen 5000, only the 5600X CPU will feature a stock cooler which means it's not a $50 difference, it's even larger.

What kind of justification would AMD lovers provide? I'm just curios.

Did you mean price "gouging"? Gauging might be the better word actually, I think they priced them just right. Honestly, they could probably get more for them.

 

[B-Real]

And when you thought that AMD has basically started price gauging with Ryzen 5000, only the 5600X CPU will feature a stock cooler which means it's not a $50 difference, it's even larger.

What kind of justification would AMD lovers provide? I'm just curios.

1. No need to change motherboards, even 2 (later 3 when B650 and X670 comes) generation-old ones.
2. Though the stock coolers were enough for the 3900X, custom coolers provided significantly better temperatures (and maybe dBs too).

 

[Octopuss]

There already are new revisions announced. The new Asus boards are on the front page now. I'm sure there will be more from other brands to follow in the next month.

I guess there wouldn't be any way to tell from the descriptions in eshops, so the new revisions will simply eventually replace the old stock.

 

[B-Real]

Firstly, Intel normally allows two generations of CPUs for the same socket/chipset, so you're basically lying.

Secondly, considering their anemic performance gains from Sandy Bridge up to Comet Lake (for almost eight years) you must have had more money than common sense to upgrade each generation.

So you had money to change mobos for Intel, but it's shitty from AMD to raise CPU prices... lol.

BTW, AMD provided 3 generation motherboard compatibility for all their Ryzen series so far (including Zen 3), while allowing to CO with B series motherboards (Intel only lets you do it with Z), plus Intel did that shitty move that their new B series motherboards do not support memories higher than 2400 MHz, which would let you gain extra performance in games or applications.

 

[Deleted member 50521]

That big navi number on 4k is a bit underwhelming TBH

 

[ZoneDymo]

That big navi number on 4k is a bit underwhelming TBH

How can it be? what if its priced at like 600 dollars? 200 dollars less then a 3080? that would be amazing.

 

[TheLostSwede]

So there won't be any new motherboards, not even new revisions or whatever? I mean, I guess I can buy one now if I run into a discount, good deal or something, right?

There might be a few new boards, like what Asus announced today, but yes, as we've been telling you for quite some time, just go with something currently available.
Just make sure it has a flashback button or whatever they like to call it, so you can update the UEFI without a CPU in the board.

 

[illli]

I'm really curious in the difference in performance between the 5800x vs 5900x. I don't need that many cores in the 5900x, but I wonder how much of a difference that 70MB vs 36MB cache really makes

 

[Space Lynx]

@R-T-B @TheLostSwede

How does clock frequency work? like lets say I buy the 5600x, I manage to find one of the 6 cores will hit 4.8ghz 24/7 and rest left at stock. will games default use that 4.8ghz core? will benchmarks? how do they know that is the core i want to use most?

 

[Blueberries]

wow big navi matches rtx 3080 at 4k in 3 games, about 5 fps slower than 3080, but still wow. well done AMD

3070*

 

[Space Lynx]

I'm really curious in the difference in performance between the 5800x vs 5900x. I don't need that many cores in the 5900x, but I wonder how much of a difference that 70MB vs 36MB cache really makes

for only 100 bucks more it seems silly to me anyone would buy a 5800x. i think they messed up their product stack honestly.

3070*

mmk.

 

[agentnathan009]

Let me be brutally honest. AMD is no different than Intel in terms of dictating prices when they have the performance crown.

The pricing for the Ryzen 5000 series:

5600X: $300 - very close to the price of the 3700X which featured two more cores.
5800X: $450
5900X: $550
5950X: $800

All priced $50 higher than their Ryzen 3000 counterparts. What's more, there's no sign of 5700X which was a sweet spot for the previous gen Ryzen CPUs. Either you pay $50 more for the 3600X alternative or you have to pay whopping $120 more to get just two more cores.

Customers first, my ass. More like profits first now that Intel still cannot solve their 10nm node.

And you feel that this new pricing is somehow unfair? What if you were putting in the hard work to beat Intel, wouldn’t you want to be rewarded for your hard work with higher profit margins on premium products?

 

[Franzen4Real]

Let me be brutally honest. AMD is no different than Intel in terms of dictating prices when they have the performance crown.

The pricing for the Ryzen 5000 series:

5600X: $300 - very close to the price of the 3700X which featured two more cores.
5800X: $450
5900X: $550
5950X: $800

All priced $50 higher than their Ryzen 3000 counterparts. What's more, there's no sign of 5700X which was a sweet spot for the previous gen Ryzen CPUs. Either you pay $50 more for the 3600X alternative or you have to pay whopping $120 more to get just two more cores.

Customers first, my ass. More like profits first now that Intel still cannot solve their 10nm node.

Everything you said is true. But I think another way we can look at this is that AMD's CPU division is finally in a position to where they can charge enough to not only cover their costs on this gen, but also have funding for R&D to actually keep pushing forward generation over generation. As a consumer, sure, I don't want to pay higher prices, but I also don't want the only company that can put Intel in check to be stagnant or dragging behind (i.e. Bulldozer days). I want to see a true fight between them, not a "good enough" option. To me it looks like they are doing this exactly.
Secondly, as a long time ATi customer, after the buyout I watched that GPU division prop up the CPU division during the Bulldozer days to get them to ZEN, at the cost of GPU's falling behind. AMD can now take the profits from a successful ZEN2/3 and use it to boost the GPU division and hopefully become as competitive as their CPU's today (at all performance tiers).

TLDR: I don't see the prices as a negative. Actually, I think it's long overdue for AMD to stop being Generation Entitlement's best friend at their own detriment, and start charging what they need to charge in order to thrive and outpace competition. We also have to remember that whether we talk about AMD, Intel, or nVidia--- the closer we get to physical limitations of silicon, the cost of development and engineering skyrockets, as they have already picked all low hanging fruit performance-wise long ago.

 

[B-Real]

That big navi number on 4k is a bit underwhelming TBH

Do note that all 3 games run better on NV cards (Techspot review vs. individual game benchmark reviews).

3070*

It can't match the 3070 as we don't even have rumours about its performance (and we don't even have non-AMD benchmarks of the RX 6000). Only NV said "faster than 2080Ti", however, Galax pictures showed it's under it.

 

[TheLostSwede]

@R-T-B @TheLostSwede

How does clock frequency work? like lets say I buy the 5600x, I manage to find one of the 6 cores will hit 4.8ghz 24/7 and rest left at stock. will games default use that 4.8ghz core? will benchmarks? how do they know that is the core i want to use most?

Unfortunately not. The core allocation works just like on any other CPU, as you can't set the fastest core to be the "default" core that kicks in.
What you want to hope for is core 1 being the fastest one, but most people aren't that lucky.
In the case of my current CPU, core 8 is the fastest one, followed by core 4 and then 2 and 7, at least according to Ryzen Master.
On the plus side of these new chips, you have eight cores in a single CCX, which should hopefully allow for a bit better utilization of the cores, whereas in the Zen 2, the first CCX seems to be utilised more than the second CCX. Right now, 3/4 cores in my second CCX are asleep, with all the cores in the first CCX being active.

 

[B-Real]

And you feel that this new pricing is somehow unfair? What if you were putting in the hard work to beat Intel, wouldn’t you want to be rewarded for your hard work with higher profit margins on premium products?

Still, it will be the better price/performance CPU for sure. And I would bet on it that the $450 5800X will be on par (or maybe beat) the 10900K. So regarding the same-strength CPUs, AMD will probably remain cheaper too. Not to mention you need Z motherboard for Intel CPUs to be able to use memories over 2400 MHz.