AMD Announces the Radeon RX 6000 Series: Performance that Restores Competitiveness

[Cheeseball]

While true using windows, not so much using linux: @ least i dunno how to do it in linux.

Try using powerupp and get your pp working like it should! (GAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA)

EDIT: Review UPP first before you use the GUI above

 

[ahenriquedsj]

3090 performance for 999$ is awesome (2)

 

[RedelZaVedno]

3090 performance for 999$ is awesome (2)

And that really is the only awesome release from 21 Navi lineup. Big lost opportunity. 6800XT priced at $599 and 6800 at $449 would obliterate entire Nvidia A104/A102 lineup. It looks like AMD is content with 20% discrete GPU market share, that's why no price war with Nvidia 6900XT is awesome deal for 0.1% of the gaming market that actually buys $1K GPUs.

 

[my_name_is_earl]

Review or it's not happening. If true, AMD is back from the dead. It's been more than 10yrs. Bout time?

 

[rbgc]

They still hold that Ray Tracing upper hand along with G6X memory, it all boils down to price and availability AND Drivers. Also the NVENC too.

RT
RDNA2 is first generation with hardware accelerated RT and RT games and drivers must be optimized first. It is logical that they didn't presented RT perf now. It will take months. We will see, but I think NVIDIA will be still more better than AMD, they started with RT sooner.

Memory subsystem
We will see in tests if more expensive G6X memory/384bit bus or infinity cache and G6 memory/256bit bus is better or the same. But if infinity cache will be advantage, then it is plus for AMD, they can move to infinity cache and G6X memory if needed.

Hardware encoding
I like Turing NVENC. Using it very often to offload encoding from the CPU with low GC utilization and good and usually sufficient results for my needs. I think AMD don't plan to make hardware encoders. They have multi-core CPU already presented as CPU for content creators. Software encoding has similar or better results than NVENC. And multi-core processors from AMD is probably also reason why NVIDIA placed Turing NVENC on Ampere cards.

 

[Chrispy_]

And that really is the only awesome release from 21 Navi lineup. Big lost opportunity. 6800XT priced at $599 and 6800 at $449 would obliterate entire Nvidia A104/A102 lineup. It looks like AMD is content with 20% discrete GPU market share, that's why no price war with Nvidia 6900XT is awesome deal for 0.1% of the gaming market that actually buys $1K GPUs.

95% of the whole dGPU market is at sub-$300. Nothing AMD or Nvidia have announced in the last week is remotely relevant to market share.

Even Navi22 - presumably a 40CU and 36CU pair of cards somewhere in the $300-400 range might actually be of relevance to the marketshare numbers, but even then that's still in the realm of 'enthusiast'

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

so AMD > Nvidia now?


hmmm....

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

95% of the whole dGPU market is at sub-$300. Nothing AMD or Nvidia have announced in the last week is remotely relevant to market share.

Even Navi22 - presumably a 40CU and 36CU pair of cards somewhere in the $300-400 range might actually be of relevance to the marketshare numbers, but even then that's still in the realm of 'enthusiast'

I think being an enthusiast can be expensive, but damnn, I want a full swap out Now. .
Looks around room for something to sell.

 

[Chrispy_]

I think being an enthusiast can be expensive, but damnn, I want a full swap out Now. .
Looks around room for something to sell.

Think I'm happy for the moment, just swapped out to X570 and a 3900X, debating whether to keep the 2070S or 5700XT in that machine and the deciding factor is going to be how well either card runs CP2077. Raytracing really hasn't impressed me at all.

 

[birdie]

And I remember how I purchased the GeForce 8800 GT (basically the RTX 3080 in today's terms) for $250 which was close to the very top. Nowadays $250 is what? Lower end?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Think I'm happy for the moment, just swapped out to X570 and a 3900X, debating whether to keep the 2070S or 5700XT in that machine and the deciding factor is going to be how well either card runs CP2077. Raytracing really hasn't impressed me at all.

Well I am too frugal to actually do that but it's tempting.
GPU is next up.

 

[NeuralNexus]

RT
RDNA2 is first generation with hardware accelerated RT and RT games and drivers must be optimized first. It is logical that they didn't presented RT perf now. It will take months. We will see, but I think NVIDIA will be still more better than AMD, they started with RT sooner.

Memory subsystem
We will see in tests if more expensive G6X memory/384bit bus or infinity cache and G6 memory/256bit bus is better or the same. But if infinity cache will be advantage, then it is plus for AMD, they can move to infinity cache and G6X memory if needed.

Hardware encoding
I like Turing NVENC. Using it very often to offload encoding from the CPU with low GC utilization and good and usually sufficient results for my needs. I think AMD don't plan to make hardware encoders. They have multi-core CPU already presented as CPU for content creators. Software encoding has similar or better results than NVENC. And multi-core processors from AMD is probably also reason why NVIDIA placed Turing NVENC on Ampere cards.

Games are designed with consoles in mind first and ported to PC later. With RDNA 2 being the backbone of the next-gen consoles, I highly doubt Nvidia will have better RT performance. Devs don't like don't extra work especially for proprietary software solutions.

 

[Icon Charlie]

95% of the whole dGPU market is at sub-$300. Nothing AMD or Nvidia have announced in the last week is remotely relevant to market share.

Even Navi22 - presumably a 40CU and 36CU pair of cards somewhere in the $300-400 range might actually be of relevance to the marketshare numbers, but even then that's still in the realm of 'enthusiast'

Completely agree with this assessment.
What I think is going to happen is that they will re-brand their 5700 line as well as a cut down version of the of their 6800 video card.

But for $580 on their cheapest video card, I might decide to buy a console. the last time I bought one was 28 years ago. These prices through out the computer tech industry are just too high to validate the usual "Coof"/Tarrif excuse. I do business globally and IMHO this is utter nonsense. They are throwing prices out there to see what sticks and gerbils and influencers (including YT) make sure that the prices stay that way.

 

[medi01]

It would be interesting to see if Nvidia replies back with a 3080 TI...

3090 is full GA102 and it is only 10% faster than 3080. How could 3080Ti fit in this or what chip would it even be based on?

 

[Chrispy_]

These prices through out the computer tech industry are just too high to validate the usual "Coof"/Tarrif excuse. I do business globally and IMHO this is utter nonsense. They are throwing prices out there to see what sticks and gerbils and influencers (including YT) make sure that the prices stay that way.

Well, the other option is to just not buy into the hype:
Sure, a 6900XT or RTX3090 looks cool and at 4K Ultra with Raytracing you can get 120fps+ in some triple-A game

Here's the thing though; Those triple-A games are still just as fun, or just as shit at a quarter the resolution and half the framerate. The game itself will determine how enjoyable it is. I've also chatted with friends about a few games that made me stop playing just to pan the camera around and admire the scenery and most of the stuff that makes me actually stop and take note isn't about the resolution it's running at or mind-blowing framerates.

It wasn't that long ago that 1080p30 was the target experience. If your PC can handle a game at fluid framerates on your monitor, then you're good to go. Quality graphics are down to the developer and game artists more than your PC - and it always staggers me how good looking many games look running at medium or even low settings these days, and they do that on a potatoPC....

Here's Death Stranding, one of the most visually-striking games of 2020 running on an old GTX970:

and even an old 7970 which is slower than practically every dGPU you'd buy these days is doing a pretty respectable job in 2020:

 

[chris.london]

And that really is the only awesome release from 21 Navi lineup. Big lost opportunity. 6800XT priced at $599 and 6800 at $449 would obliterate entire Nvidia A104/A102 lineup. It looks like AMD is content with 20% discrete GPU market share, that's why no price war with Nvidia 6900XT is awesome deal for 0.1% of the gaming market that actually buys $1K GPUs.

The 6800XT results are without rage mode and SAM. With the same settings the 6900XT is only 6-9% faster which is nothing. The 6800XT is the card to get. The 6900XT is pretty bad value. At least if you get a 3090 you can tell yourself you did it for the VRAM. No such excuse for 6900XT buyers.

Edit: the 6800XT will be able to match the 3090 in some games. Crazy.
Edit 2: I am curious why AMD used a 5900X for the tests. I guess the 5950X is not faster at 1440p/4k.

 

[SIGSEGV]

I am so happy with this news. NVidia fans seem insecure reading this announcement from AMD.
6900XT price should be around $749. damn NVidia!!

 

[OolongGoat]

I haven't purchased an AMD card since the Fury X and the Fury Nano...... I think I might have to jump on the 6800XT or 6900XT. Depends on availability.

 

[Nephilim666]

Great to have competition, as always take all marketing slides with a healthy dose of salt. The Nvidia 3000 launch ones were a bit misleading.

Personally, I'm a huge AMD fan (who doesn't love a good underdog story).
My system is a 3960X + Vega64 and I have an RTX3090 on order. Once reviews and RT performance numbers for RX6900 are out I'll decide whether to cancel the RTX3090 order... it's not like I'm going to get it any time soon.

Great time to be a PC enthusiast.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

It saddens me to write this observation, but PC gaming is becoming more and more of a niche. Just look at XBox X package: $499 gets you 52CU RDNA2 GPU/8C-16T Zen2-3 CPU/16GB GDDR6/1TB custom super fast NVMe SSD/Blu-ray optical drive. All this tech for the price of RTX 3070 and costs even 16% less than 60 CU RX 6800. How can one justify these prices? I've been a PC gamer since getting PC 286 back in the early 90ies, but now I'm seriously considering buying Xbox X + good 55in 4K OLED TV instead of investing the same amount of money into a gaming rig and call it a day. GPU prices are getting just ridiculous

 

[turbogear]

Looks good, be nice to see some independent reviews though.
6800XT looks a good buy.

Yes, 6800XT looks like would be good choice.
Waiting to see review from TPU though.

Looking forward to see if also fan performance this time would be better than on my Radeon VII and if their is any headroom for increasing performance by undervolting and water-cooling.

If performance is as good as shown here, maybe time is coming to sell my Radeon VII with EK water block on eBay.

 

[Anymal]

no worries, its up to

 

[rhaoul]

Why is there such a strong sense of people believing they're entitled to AMD selling their products at cost, even when the performance matches or exceeds the competition? Don't give me that driver BS either, those days are gone with Lisa Su at the helm and since she's been there, she's delivered on her promises.... This is the first GPU launch that was completely under her leadership, so I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume drivers will be just as good as Nvidia this time around (let's not forget that Nvidia has already run into driver issues with the 3000 launch that some people would be claiming is the end of the world if AMD had done it.... Go ahead call me a fanboy, despite the fact that I think these statements are nothing more than truthful observations)

i think you don't understand how the market work. AMD don't sell at cost, far from there. the situation is AMD follows the rules... dictate by the leader (nvidia high prices). AMD benefit from this situation and their partners too. That can easly be done in this kind of configuration, when there are only two players in a market. There is a tacit agreement between them. In term of competition law, it's really borderline. But the player want to play, even if he's blind...

 

[Xuper]

Great to have competition, as always take all marketing slides with a healthy dose of salt. The Nvidia 3000 launch ones were a bit misleading.

Personally, I'm a huge AMD fan (who doesn't love a good underdog story).
My system is a 3960X + Vega64 and I have an RTX3090 on order. Once reviews and RT performance numbers for RX6900 are out I'll decide whether to cancel the RTX3090 order... it's not like I'm going to get it any time soon.

Great time to be a PC enthusiast.

Here is number of Ray-tracing.so far 6900xt is probably equal to rtx 3070

 

[ebivan]

It saddens me to write this observation, but PC gaming is becoming more and more of a niche. Just look at XBox X package: $499 gets you 52CU RDNA2 GPU/8C-16T Zen2-3 CPU/16GB GDDR6/1TB custom super fast NVMe SSD/Blu-ray optical drive. All this tech for the price of RTX 3070 and costs even 16% less than 60 CU RX 6800. How can one justify these prices? I've been a PC gamer since getting PC 286 back in the early 90ies, but now I'm seriously considering buying Xbox X + good 55in 4K OLED TV instead of investing the same amount of money into a gaming rig and call it a day. GPU prices are getting just ridiculous

I agree that some pc hardware prices are ridiculus.
But basically prices for an average gaming pc have not changed too much. Remember that 3080 and 6800xt are not average, these are enthusiast products. You can get a capable gaming pc for 1000 bucks, just like you could 20 years ago.

But you can't really compare that to consoles. On pc games are usurally cheaper since you have a lot more ways to buy them. On pcs you can work, you can upgrade your pc, and sell parts you dont use anymore... There are endless possibilities. On pcs you can play brand new games and games from 40 years ago...
On consoles you can just play games and watch netflix.