Intel Has Fixed its 7 nm Node, But Outsourcing is Still Going to Happen

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[GeeBee]

I'm an Intel buyer exclusively, but all I see in recent years is more announcements, pretty slideshows, cute roadmaps, but no juice.

What the hell is going on there? Anyone knows what the REAL problem is?

 

[mtcn77]

I'm an Intel buyer exclusively, but all I see in recent years is more announcements, pretty slideshows, cute roadmaps, but no juice.

What the hell is going on there? Anyone knows what the REAL problem is?

Yes, as a matter of fact I do. Intel has been second guessing engineering employees for a long time. Couple that with a dirty supply channel, they couldn't launch EUV. Listen to the process engineer.
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Make sure to stick around until 1:50.

 

[InVasMani]

I know Intel's node isn't directly comparable to TSMC, but by the time 7nm arrives for Intel that's still a huge deficit node disadvantage gap to overcome. Still if anyone could turn it around for the better it would probably be Intel. This down turn and up turn cycle between a bunch of these big tech companies frankly has been needed though. I do hope 7nm fairs better for Intel by the time it does arrive in relation to TSMC's 3 nm time will tell.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

I'm an Intel buyer exclusively, but all I see in recent years is more announcements, pretty slideshows, cute roadmaps, but no juice.

What the hell is going on there? Anyone knows what the REAL problem is?

With other words: Why small nanometers nodes is too hard for big complexity CPU's?
0. Electrical migration.
1. Too much transistors on too small area. Heat density is tremendous.
2. Defective yields percentage.
3. Low quality "engineers".
4. Intel inside.
+ Investors decisions.
+ Owners decisions.
+ State rules.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

I'm an Intel buyer exclusively, but all I see in recent years is more announcements, pretty slideshows, cute roadmaps, but no juice.

What the hell is going on there? Anyone knows what the REAL problem is?

With other words: Why small nanometers nodes is too hard for big complexity CPU's?
0. Electrical migration.
1. Too much transistors on too small area. Heat density is tremendous.
2. Defective yields percentage.
3. Low quality "engineers".
4. Intel inside.
+ Investors decisions.
+ Owners decisions.
+ State rules.

enough said

 

[Wirko]

7nm delayed 1 year? Try 6 years!!!
And even that is only if Intel sticks to 2023 this time which I won't be holding my breath for.

Official Intel slide:
View attachment 185160

Thank you, fellow archeologist. Anyone knows if Intel or anyone else is using or researching materials synthesis and computational lithography? What does "materials synthesis" even mean in this context?

 

[xSneak]

If China invaded, Taiwan would blow up the fabs before letting China have them. Emperor Xi has enough problems to deal with at home and with US to start an invasion of Taiwan right now.
North Korea is starving to death, so not sure they'd survive another war.
Maybe read some news instead of spreading FUD?

you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I'm an Intel buyer exclusively, but all I see in recent years is more announcements, pretty slideshows, cute roadmaps, but no juice.

What the hell is going on there? Anyone knows what the REAL problem is?

Well because people blindly bought intel CPU for ten years they stopped innovating completely, then put a pure bean counter in charge who didn't invest enough in new nodes.
Then they slowly over time lost their manufacturing advantage and their competitiveness has been negated.

They have themselves to blame.

Hopefully the new guy sorts their engineering out then they can move forward on their own nodes though a press release ten minutes after he starts saying the clouds are clearing just smells like same shit different day/guy.
Heard this song before.

 

[medi01]

7 nm node is on track for 2023 delivery

Oh boy.

Now, provided it definitely beats 7nm TSMC and likely 5nm too, a tad too far for a "fixed" node.

 

[Super XP]

Uhm, hasn't the 7nm node been delayed a lot more than just a year by now?

Intel's 7nm is more like 4 years delayed. And now client 7nm parts coming sometime in 2023.
So AMD should continue to lead, though competition is quite healthy right now. I don't see as much Intel shenanigans as before, as of late.

 

[Wirko]

I don't think the claim was either of those were likely to happen. But if they do... well, we all remember what happens when a HDD factory is flooded in Vietnam.

Or when a food additive factory in Japan can't produce enough plastic for substrates for chip packages.

 

[Vayra86]

PRogress!

FTFY

Pat G is taking over and suddenly Intel gets to repeat the same bullshit they have until now. Its just another escalation to keep shareholders on board. Pat is just repackaging the same messages here... I doubt the intel world suddenly changed because Bob leaves the building.

7nm delayed 1 year? Try 6 years!!!
And even that is only if Intel sticks to 2023 this time which I won't be holding my breath for.

Official Intel slide:
View attachment 185160

Exactly. In the meantime they told us we would get:
- super storage (optane) = dead
- ARM adventure = never materialized
- IoT = nothing more than a one off at best (dev boards)
- 10nm = still trying to keep it from a total trainwreck, but will not clock or perform better than 14nm at all)
- 7nm = fantasy land, a repeat of the same BS we heard about 10nm
- Foveros... massive xeons that look like something literally welded together... a dozen lakes and coves... backports snd biglittle yet none of it really convincing.. total lack of direction or focus.

Realistically Intel only has its legacy business and its volume/production capability to keep them afloat going forward. Ultrabooks are however slowly getting replaced and Apple will push that ARM button ever harder.

 

[Kentaro]

Did they ever mention what products they are going to outsource?

 

[Tatty_Two]

Not sure what a discussion around Taiwan's military capability and China's military strategy has to do with the topic in hand, fabs yes, invasions no, please stay on the topic of this news piece.