Intel Regains CPU Market Share that it lost to AMD, Latest Steam Hardware Survey

[Chrispy_]

Hmm, just looked it up locally - prebuilts with a 10400F are almost £300 cheaper than the equivalent spec but 5600X. These things aren't rocking RTX 3080s so the CPU isn't going to be a bottleneck under any circumstances.

As for parts to DIY build a machine, £125 for a 10400F vs £275 for 5600X and it's criminal to waste the investment into a 5600X with shit RAM so DDR4-3600 CL16 is probably the price/performance sweet spot at a 50% premium over the bargain-basement DDR4-3000 which a 10400F cannot exceed. Nor do you need anything more than a cheap H410i board on clearance deal because the 10400F can't use overclocking features either.

Zen3 is amazing, but it AMD have completely ignored the mainstream market segment where 90% of people want to spend their money. Everything from the entry level-i5 and cheaper outsells the enthusiast, unlocked chips by a significant margin.

 

[jmcosta]

Most of the increase has been in CPUs with base frequency around 3Ghz and 6 cores and that could be OEMs packed with i5 9400-9500f or 10400-10500f

 

[Valantar]

Most of the increase has been in CPUs with base frequency around 3Ghz and 6 cores and that could be OEMs packed with i5 9400-9500f or 10400-10500f

Only the 9400(f) and 10400(f) would fit into the 2.7-2.99GHz bracket where the increase is, as the rest are clocked higher.

 

[Makaveli]

First off anyone with a clue wouldn't take a 11900K over a 11700K/11700KF/11700/11700F. Secondly Intel owns the budget gaming market atm.

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Intel Core i5-10400F Review - Six Cores with HT for Under $200

Intel's new Core i5-10400F offers a large performance jump over the previous generation Core i5-9400F because of its six-core/twelve-thread design. In this Core i5-10400F review we also test the feasibility of overclocking through BCLK, or by relaxing the PL1 and PL2 Turbo Limits.

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I've seen plenty of users with a 11900k not necessarily on this forum so people are buying them. These are most likely the hardcore intel fan boys which there are many because I agree there are more attractive options on their side. Owning the budget market is great for intel but i'm not a budget gamer, and how the tables have turned AMD was the previous budget king. Which I might add many people looked at negatively but now with intel in that position its a positive.

 

[N3M3515]

A budget / mid-range user who hasn't been able to buy an AMD chip under £280? Looking back over the past few years, Ryzen 1600 / 1600AF and 2600 were selling in the UK for £99 at one point. The 3600 hit £129. Meanwhile the 5600X (that already launched at double the price of the 3600) recently soared from £260-£280 to over £330 during the same time frame that the i5-10400F was at £125 (and in stock). The budget 3100 were permanently out of stock, 3300X is still vapourware in many regions, and it didn't help that AMD refused to sell the 4000 series APU's to end users during the same time they could have made an absolute killing with a new replacement for the out of stock 2-year old 2200G / 2400G / 3200G / 3400G APU's during the GPU shortages. In short, for 99% of people who aren't going to spend 2.5x the money for +2% performance in games (and for non-gamers don't care at all), AMD simply priced themselves out of the budget market for quite a few months.

Exactly my thougts. AMD has nothing in the fattest market.

 

[Valantar]

Exactly my thougts. AMD has nothing in the fattest market.

3000-series Ryzens probably still sell well enough in that market that they don't see a need to further reduce chip output by shifting towards (larger-die) 5000-series for lower end chips. Makes me wonder if a) the low-end market will actually be left to APUs (though that doesn't seem very likely given that they've only announced 6- and 8-core variants for retail) or b) if there might be a smaller (4c? 6c?) CCD for lower end 5000-series Ryzens. Though that's pure speculation on my part.

 

[N3M3515]

3000-series Ryzens probably still sell well enough in that market that they don't see a need to further reduce chip output by shifting towards (larger-die) 5000-series for lower end chips. Makes me wonder if a) the low-end market will actually be left to APUs (though that doesn't seem very likely given that they've only announced 6- and 8-core variants for retail) or b) if there might be a smaller (4c? 6c?) CCD for lower end 5000-series Ryzens. Though that's pure speculation on my part.

That may be true, BUT I5 11400 crushes any ryzen r5.
The only reason not to buy an 11400 is if there was a r5 5600 at $200

 

[R0H1T]

As for parts to DIY build a machine, £125 for a 10400F vs £275 for 5600X

I dunno, how about zen2 or even zen+ if you're going the bargain basement route? The good thing is you can now potentially upgrade to a zen3+ chips next year ~ that's what (nearly) 5 years of upgrades on a single socket! Yeah I'd say the supposed value proposition of Intel is overblown in many instances

 

[Valantar]

That may be true, BUT I5 11400 crushes any ryzen r5.
The only reason not to buy an 11400 is if there was a r5 5600 at $200

Completely agree about that. I was just giving a possible reason for why AMD hasn't budged in the last half year or more.

I dunno, how about zen2 or even zen+ if you're going the bargain basement route? The good thing is you can now potentially upgrade to a zen3+ chips next year ~ that's what (nearly) 5 years of upgrades on a single socket! Yeah I'd say the supposed value proposition of Intel is overblown in many instances

That applied when those chips were new, but not as much today. "5 years of upgrades" isn't an argument if you buy into the platform in year five, even if you buy older hardware. Upgrade potential? Absolutely. Future proofing? Not really at this point. Sure, if that's all you can afford today, then it's a decent deal, but the 10400F performs excellently today and will be good for most uses just as long as a 5600X. I wouldn't buy Intel myself - they're still in the dog house for me after decades of anticompetitive crap - but they are the clear value proposition today.

 

[R0H1T]

Depends what price you're paying for the 10400f ~ I don't pay US prices & neither does 90% of the rest of the world. So zen2 is very much a decent proposition for anyone not living in US or Western Europe ~ hence the value proposition of Intel is overblown thing.

 

[Valantar]

Depends what price you're paying for the 10400f ~ I don't pay US prices & neither does 90% of the rest of the world. So zen2 is very much a decent proposition for anyone not living in US or Western Europe ~ hence the value proposition of Intel is overblown thing.

I don't know where you are, but here in the nordics, the 10400F is great value. It's half the price of a 5600X, and 3/4 the price of a 3600. That's pretty good value IMO.

 

[Selaya]

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bargain-basement DDR4-3000 which a 10400F cannot exceed. Nor do you need anything more than a cheap H410i board on clearance deal because the 10400F can't use overclocking features either.
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The 10400F without at Z490 or B560 can only do 2666, at which point it sucks royal ass. The 10400F-H410-2666 plan is only good if you plan to jam something like a 1650S into it. Beyond that, you're much better off spending a bit more on a cheapo B560 (the flavor that will throttle a 11400) just to unlock the memory.

That may be true, BUT I5 11400 crushes any ryzen r5.
The only reason not to buy an 11400 is if there was a r5 5600 at $200

Untrue. Especially given the fact that the platform cost skyrockets since you need a B560 or something with solid VRMs to unlock the 11400's full potential, along with a sizeable cooling solution. And even then it does not beat the 5600X.
10400F or 10600K are much more sensible midrange choices, they do not draw like 200W peak power so don't need oversized VRMs, have much better IMCs and are cheaper to boot. All you need is a B560 for the memory - even the cheapest will do since these parts cap out at like 100W.

 

[N3M3515]

the platform cost skyrockets since you need a B560 or something with solid VRMs

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[Chrispy_]

I dunno, how about zen2 or even zen+ if you're going the bargain basement route? The good thing is you can now potentially upgrade to a zen3+ chips next year ~ that's what (nearly) 5 years of upgrades on a single socket! Yeah I'd say the supposed value proposition of Intel is overblown in many instances

I would also be looking for a 3600 on a budget, but your average joe just buys what's in the prebuilt on the shelf and Intel dominates shelf space because they have supply.

Even in the DIY market, 3600 is still 40% more expensive than a 10400F and both current AMD and Intel sockets are going to be superceded in a year by DDR5 platforms. There's no reason to get hung up on future upgrades on the same motherboard at this point.

 

[Why_Me]

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I would also be looking for a 3600 on a budget, but your average joe just buys what's in the prebuilt on the shelf and Intel dominates shelf space because they have supply.

Even in the DIY market, 3600 is still 40% more expensive than a 10400F and both current AMD and Intel sockets are going to be superceded in a year by DDR5 platforms. There's no reason to get hung up on future upgrades on the same motherboard at this point.

And why is that?

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Intel Core i5-11400F Review - The Best Rocket Lake

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Intel Core i5-10400F Review - Six Cores with HT for Under $200

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[dirtyferret]

I love the STEAM hardware survey, it's the easiest way to separate idiot fan boys from people who showed up to their first day of stats class and understand basic math.

 

[jared889]

....but.....why...how....who would buy a PC today and go for Intel?

Dont get me wrong, im planning to go for Alderlake myself should that turn out to be worth a damn (its just a weird piece of tech for what we know so im interested)....but like if I had to get something now I would never ever go for Intel, thats just rediculous..(well unless the price is extremely agreable I guess).

some million engineers on companies like audi,boeing,bae systems,bmw

 

[Saabjock]

A budget / mid-range user who hasn't been able to buy an AMD chip under £280? Looking back over the past few years, Ryzen 1600 / 1600AF and 2600 were selling in the UK for £99 at one point. The 3600 hit £129. Meanwhile the 5600X (that already launched at double the price of the 3600) recently soared from £260-£280 to over £330 during the same time frame that the i5-10400F was at £125 (and in stock). The budget 3100 were permanently out of stock, 3300X is still vapourware in many regions, and it didn't help that AMD refused to sell the 4000 series APU's to end users during the same time they could have made an absolute killing with a new replacement for the out of stock 2-year old 2200G / 2400G / 3200G / 3400G APU's during the GPU shortages. In short, for 99% of people who aren't going to spend 2.5x the money for +2% performance in games (and for non-gamers don't care at all), AMD simply priced themselves out of the budget market for quite a few months.

100% agree with this assessment.
AMD screwed themselves with this radical non-AMD approach to customer sales.
Once they realize they had something people wanted, they forgot about the sheer size of Intel...instead relying on the product to bolster market share.
Covid-19 put the brakes on their supply and that spelled the end of their ability to make sales inroads to Intel.
They'll be okay but this has to sting a bit.

 

[Why_Me]

The Empire Strikes Back!

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[80-watt Hamster]

I feel like folks misunderstand what the SHWS represents. It's a survey, not a market analysis; is 100% opt-in; represents usage, not sales; and is randomized, so there's a built-in potential sampling bias. There are so many confounding variables that a month-to-month swing means essentially nothing. HOWEVER: There are so many data points, and the survey base is so broad, that useful conclusions can be drawn over time. Let's take the article chart. Significant: The overall end-to-end slope of the chart. Not significant: The circled spikes in favor of Intel.

Apologies for thread CPR.

 

[budgetgaming]

....but.....why...how....who would buy a PC today and go for Intel?

Dont get me wrong, im planning to go for Alderlake myself should that turn out to be worth a damn (its just a weird piece of tech for what we know so im interested)....but like if I had to get something now I would never ever go for Intel, thats just rediculous..(well unless the price is extremely agreable I guess).

Just my thought, May be the new generation knows that AMD is faster then intel gen 11, but the old school is the father and he is paying the PC, just my thought and joking around....

 

[InVasMani]

I'll take a good look at Alderlake PC upgrade eventually if Intel manages to come out with something interesting. It's supposed to support DDR4 and PCIE 5.0 so who knows. The 6 + 8 and 8+2 big LITTLE chips look interesting I'll be curious to see just how those end up comparing in benchmarks will they trade blows or will the 8 + 2 just outright beat the 6 + 8 or vice versa. If the 6 + 8 option provide a compelling balanced upside I'd consider it I'm sure I could balance the core usage out a bit better the make the most out of them that doesn't worry me really on thread scheduling there are ways of fixing some of that.

 

[Chrispy_]

I feel like folks misunderstand what the SHWS represents. It's a survey, not a market analysis; is 100% opt-in; represents usage, not sales; and is randomized, so there's a built-in potential sampling bias. There are so many confounding variables that a month-to-month swing means essentially nothing. HOWEVER: There are so many data points, and the survey base is so broad, that useful conclusions can be drawn over time. Let's take the article chart. Significant: The overall end-to-end slope of the chart. Not significant: The circled spikes in favor of Intel.

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Apologies for thread CPR.

The spikes are usually nothing to do with AMD or Intel, but a popular title that hits both viral status and will run on a 15-year-old potato.

Since Intel's cumulative history of CPUs sold is far higher than AMDs, this will always be a spike in Intel's favour.

 

[64K]

I think it's because Intel is dominant in prebuilts for business and home use for a long, long time.. The average customer doesn't visit tech sites and probably isn't aware of any advantages that AMD may offer. They don't build their own PC. They've bought PCs with Intel Inside for the last 15 years and that's what they recognize.

I have said for a long time that if AMD wants to make great strides in market share then they have to spend money on marketing to computer manufacturers. It does no good to have great CPUs if they aren't going into the average PC.

 

[ThrashZone]

I've seen plenty of users with a 11900k not necessarily on this forum so people are buying them. These are most likely the hardcore intel fan boys which there are many because I agree there are more attractive options on their side. Owning the budget market is great for intel but i'm not a budget gamer, and how the tables have turned AMD was the previous budget king. Which I might add many people looked at negatively but now with intel in that position its a positive.

Hi,
11900k it's a terrible price for 8 cores

The few I've seen opting for z590 boards put a 10900k in it instead and are waiting for next gen chips for that board to release can't blame them there
Still going to be way overpriced but at least they will have more than just single core performance if reports are true.