Anyone else disappointed with the AMD 3D-Vcache reveal?

[Totally]

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Still technically an MCM - even without the direct chiplet communication.

No, it's precisely because their is no direct communication that it can't be considered MCM. Also nowhere in the cited article it refers to or references MCM so some edited that into that wiki entry because they wanted it to be so.

 

[cazzie.nl]

I will say im disappointed. I had hoped for a 5950X3D cpu. But dosent seems happening so far.

They will come on ZEN4 // AM5 in the near future.

 

[Tomgang]

They will come on ZEN4 // AM5 in the near future.

Dosen´t help me as i am on AM4 and i have no plans to upgrafe motherboard all ready just to replace CPU.

 

[cazzie.nl]

Dosen´t help me as i am on AM4 and i have no plans to upgrage motherboard all ready just to replace CPU.

We can't expect that AMD pumps out a lot more AM4 cpu's when AM5 is just around the corner ...

ps: i have a 3700x cpu and i am still very happy with it.

 

[phanbuey]

No, it's precisely because their is no direct communication that it can't be considered MCM. Also nowhere in the cited article it refers to or references MCM so some edited that into that wiki entry because they wanted it to be so.

I mean you can try to redefine it all you want MCMs have been around forever -- long before Zen and Infinity fabric... Pentium D, Core 2 Quad was considered an MCM back in the day - just because it needed to communicate through an FSB didn't make it "not really an MCM".

They didn't have integrated memory controllers - which was the main reason they had to go to the FSB to communicate inter-chiplet but it was a chiplet on one substrate. Had an IMC been incorporated it would have been very similar to what AMD is doing now.... Conversely if the core design didn't include a shared L2 then all cores would have to go through the FSB.

 

[Tomgang]

We can't expect that AMD pumps out a lot more AM4 cpu's when AM5 is just around the corner ...

ps: i have a 3700x cpu and i am still very happy with it.

And so am i for my cpu´s. But one last upgrade pafh, had been nice. But as said dosen´t seems to happen.

 

[Totally]

I mean you can try to redefine it all you want MCMs have been around forever -- long before Zen and Infinity fabric... Pentium D, Core 2 Quad was considered an MCM back in the day - just because it needed to communicate through an FSB didn't make it "not really an MCM".

They didn't have integrated memory controllers - which was the main reason they had to go to the FSB to communicate inter-chiplet but it was a chiplet on one substrate. Had an IMC been incorporated it would have been very similar to what AMD is doing now.... Conversely if the core design didn't include a shared L2 then all cores would have to go through the FSB.

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:facepalm: Bruh....you're the the one redefining things to the point of grasping at straws now. That red arrow is pointing to the fab process tech e.g. 350 nanometers OR iow .35 MiCroMeters.

 

[phanbuey]

:facepalm: Bruh....you're the the one redefining things to the point of grasping at straws now. That red arrow is pointing to the fab process tech e.g. 350 nanometers OR iow .35 MiCroMeters.

Ah yeah ur right... point still stands tho MCM doesn't need infinity fabric.

What Is a Multi-Chip Module (MCM)? - Definition from Techopedia

 

[Mussels]

96MB is lot of cache and probly worth whatever price tag they stick on it

its a hail marry product for a dead platform AM4 is Dead amd said so months ago there will be no new chips for it

also VCache only really works on single CCD chips like the 5600x/5800x for obvious reasons it doesn't make sense to stick vcache on multi CCD designs

It'll be interesting to see if it can be used on more CCX's


because holy shit the cache level on a 5950x would go through the roof, if every CCX has 3Dcache on top

 

[oxrufiioxo]

It'll be interesting to see if it can be used on more CCX's


because holy shit the cache level on a 5950x would go through the roof, if every CCX has 3Dcache on top

AMD basically said if the 5800X3D sells well they'll bring it to more chips which makes me think it's going to be quite a bit more expensive than the vanilla 5800X.... Almost like them saying if customers are willing to pay a premium we will make more sku. I get the sense that they don't want to stick it on the 6 core chiplets as well likely for cost reasons.

 

[Dr. Dro]

It'll be interesting to see if it can be used on more CCX's


because holy shit the cache level on a 5950x would go through the roof, if every CCX has 3Dcache on top

I mean, the 5950X has 2 CCXs because it has 2 CCDs, so this would mean a desktop chip with a 192 MB L3 cache. Mighty fine... and that is why I planned on flipping the original and grabbing the 3D.

Dreams crushed, though... AMD made that decision for me. If it means doing this say, 6 months down the road, it's no longer worth it as upgrading to Zen 4 will likely turn out to be a bigger benefit than just getting a buffed up version of the processor I already own on an aging platform, after all.

 

[Erazor6000]

I wouldn't say I'm disappointed, since It should be possible to combine Ryzen 7 5800X3D with a cheap B450 motherboard.
B450 Aorus Elite (V2) for €/$100 seems to be a pretty decent choice.

Currently, Ryzen 7 5800X costs €/$360 and it would be reasonable if Ryzen 7 5800X3D has roughly the same price.

 

[freeagent]

I was a little disappointed. But if I don’t stare at benchmarks then I am still satisfied with both my 5900X and 5600X. I might pick up a 5800X3D if they aren’t crazily priced.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

TSMC's 3D SoIC technology isn’t yet in volume production and what little capacity there is is being prioritized for enterprise chips

 

[cst1992]

I was a little disappointed. But if I don’t stare at benchmarks then I am still satisfied with both my 5900X and 5600X. I might pick up a 5800X3D if they aren’t crazily priced.

I liked the 5600x because it was very power-efficient for its performance, but ultimately I thought it wasn't very fast in single-core performance.
Even the higher-end processors scale only horizontally - that is, for multithreaded applications by adding more cores - unless they consume a lot of power like the 5800x does.
Power consumption wise, Intel isn't any better unless you go for something like the 12400 mid-level i5.

What I wanted to see was something like a 5600X3D. But I guess they think it will cannibalize the 5600X.

 

[freeagent]

5600X would be way better if it hit or exceeded 5GHZ like it’s bigger brothers do. I think it’s a great little cpu.. so easy to cool, and my loud fans stay quiet lol.. but in the end it’s only 300mhz.. I am going to install my 5900X right away..

 

[Assimilator]

No, I was not disappointed by 3D VCache, because I knew it was never going to be anything more than a pathetic stopgap that AMD marketing is desperately trying to spin, to hide the fact that its CPUs are soundly beaten by ADL in gaming performance.

A better question would be "why are you so gullible as to think that a single feature would make Zen 3 competitive with a newer CPU architecture?", and the only one who can answer that is you.

 

[freeagent]

Desperately lol.. ok..

A better question would be "why are you so gullible as to think that a single feature would make Zen 3 competitive with a newer CPU architecture?", and the only one who can answer that is you.

Because cache makes the ones and zeros go by quicker? No one said it will beat ADL, but it should be a little quicker. AM5 should stomp ADL though, and Intel will bounce back leading us into the oh so familiar game of cat and mouse.

 

[Keullo-e]

I feel pretty bad for anyone who picked up rocket lake after seeing how much better Alderlake is.... I think this is quite different though it's a singular sku and gives people with a 3800X or slower Cpu a really nice drop in upgrade without having to ditch their platform (B450/X470/B550/X570) assuming the price doesn't suck.... Nobody with a 10700k or 10600K should have been excited about Rocketlake and anyone with somthing older was SOL.

At least Rocket Lake was something else than just reusing the same old Skylake over and over again.

Probably just going with this R5 3600 until I upgrade the whole platform in the future.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

At least Rocket Lake was something else than just reusing the same old Skylake over and over again.

Probably just going with this R5 3600 until I upgrade the whole platform in the future.

Yeah, but it was also not always better than skylake given the choice I would much rather own a 10900k than an 11900k.... The 11400 was solid though.

3600 is still a very solid capable cpu no reason to upgrade till DDR5 becomes more mature for sure.... Even the 2600 handles a 1080 ti/2070 super level gpu just fine when paired with low latency ram.

 

[Keullo-e]

Yeah, but it was also not always better than skylake given the choice I would much rather own a 10900k than an 11900k.... The 11400 was solid though.

3600 is still a very solid capable cpu no reason to upgrade till DDR5 becomes more mature for sure.... Even the 2600 handles a 1080 ti/2070 super level gpu just fine.

Yeah and I bought my 32GB DDR4 kit just 8 months ago so no hurry to upgrade just because for upgrading the RAM.

 

[Yraggul666]

Not disappointed in the slightest, i mean more would have been better, as in 5Ghz boost freq, but disappointed? HELL NO.

The 3600 i own rn was itself a stopgap solution.

The 5800X3D will be my last upgrade for the next 5-6 years, that's how much time i'll allow for things to get back to "normal" if they ever do, which i doubt. I'm so generous, i know.

If the performance gains over my 3600 are what the rumors say they are, i might consider getting the 5800X3D at, or close to launch day after seeing what the reviews say, of course.

If not then i'll sit with my 3600 for the next 3/6/12/18/24 months and upgrade when and if it's alittle cheaper.

I want better or equal performance to ADL flagship on AM4, i don't care if i have to wait 3/6/12/24 months to get it. I WILL HAVE IT!!!!!!

If i can't have better or equal perf i'll settle for 5/10% lower perf, no problems, i want the best AM4 has to offer for gaming.

 

[cst1992]

why are you so gullible as to think that a single feature would make Zen 3 competitive with a newer CPU architecture?

...because Zen 3 itself is a new CPU architecture? Because so far, Intel hadn't gotten their shit together, and were giving out lackluster performance whilst consuming enough power and generating enough heat to heat a room, literally?

 

[mama]

No, it's a single chip for a single purpose. That was made clear.

 

[Mussels]

I liked the 5600x because it was very power-efficient for its performance, but ultimately I thought it wasn't very fast in single-core performance.
Even the higher-end processors scale only horizontally - that is, for multithreaded applications by adding more cores - unless they consume a lot of power like the 5800x does.
Power consumption wise, Intel isn't any better unless you go for something like the 12400 mid-level i5.

What I wanted to see was something like a 5600X3D. But I guess they think it will cannibalize the 5600X.

What? It's still one of the top single threaded/gaming chips?
15% behind the fastest chip (at 720p. Far smaller at higher res, even with a 3080), and only needing a wraith stealth cooler...

Hell look at the superpi results where it smashes ahead of so many other chips, purely single threaded

And the 5800x doesnt consume a lot of power... it makes a lot of heat due to the IHS not working with the density, but it doesnt use any more power than any of the other CPU's...