AMD Spring 2022 Ryzen Desktop Processor Update Includes Six New Models Besides 5800X3D

[chrcoluk]

I took my ram out of 2133 mode on my 5600G, straight into XMP, I manually set the voltages to stop Auto voltage going crazy, no errors on stress testing in linux and windows, whilst on my 2600X it wouldnt even post at 300mhz with 4 dimms and had to run at 2667 to be error free.

The ram is mediocre, hence only 3000mhz. 5600G also doesnt have that half write speed issue on RAM I have read about. Brilliant chip almost 40% ahead of 2600X and about 8% ahead of 3600X. With GT 1030 out of case now I am saving 20W power, which at 68W idle is significant, down to 45W now, about 30% less power for a system, on 24/7.

 

[Chrispy_]

I all ready have a 5950X and a 5600X in my pc,so I'm good.

I see your problem, you're trying to put two CPUs into one AM4 socket!
Try one CPU per socket
/s

 

[wheresmycar]

No 4100G quad... or similar?

I have a couple of spare barebone 300 and 400 series amd boards, well not mine but my brothers old office stuff which isn't in use. It would be nice if I could pick up a snappy ~£100 APU for a spare machine in the home.

It would have been nice if I could pick up a used 3200G/2200G for £50'ish. Can't see that happening either.

 

[Tomgang]

I see your problem, you're trying to put two CPUs into one AM4 socket!
Try one CPU per socket
/s

There is no problem. There are two motherboards in my system with a AM4 socket. So one for each cpu.

Tomgang´s project 2 systems in 1 case. All air cooled.

I was asked to make a build log for my new project 2 systems in 1 case. You can see all parts that goes in to this build in the link: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/the-show-off-your-tech-related-purchase-thread.225885/post-4537865 The first image of the mini-itx system up and...

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[SL2]

The 5500 159$ will be on the Level of the 12100F for 100$ in Games.

The 5500 is the worst one.

There's no -G that tells you that it's a Cezanne, just because it doesn't have graphics. The 4000 may be inferior but at least you kind of get that from the number.

With the 5500 you're stuck with PCIE 3.

Let's go all out 2022 and build teH freshest rig ever together with a brand new Radeon 6500XT and BOOM you're stuck with PCIE 3.0 x4.

Did I mention it was all brand new from 2022?

 

[seth1911]

Yeah please @W1zzard make a Test with an AMD midprice PC like a 5500 + 6500XT

 

[SL2]

Yeah please @W1zzard make a Test with an AMD midprice PC like a 5500 + 6500XT

I expect that a certain hairy guy on youtube will do it.. and then just slaughter the 5500 with the cheaper 12100F.

 

[seth1911]

Hell no im not such of a sub human, i think 5500 + 6500XT got beaten by a Pentium 7400 + 6500XT

The celeron is useless with 2 cores / 2 threads, but the Pentium G7400 with HT will be a good counterpart with the 6500XT


Im sure in the future ull see the OEM Gaming PC with Amd Ryzen 5500, 16GB RAM and 6500XT

 

[trsttte]

These look pretty good! Great to see competition returning to the low end CPU market - and of course kudos to Intel for putting pressure on AMD to compete here as well. Kind of weird to bring the 4600G to retail at this point, but ... yay? At least it's an excellent budget-ish APU - my 4650G is very snappy.

The 4500 and 4100 are the weirder ones to me - not only they don't have the iGP enabled, Renoir was also limited to 8x lanes, shouldn't really matter for anything were this chips will be used but a bit of a though sell when even a 12100F can enjoy full pcie 5.0. I guess beggars can't be choosers, though the anemic cache on this old ryzen chips and good single thread performance on Intel might still make them a tough sell regardless or the more cores/threads

I think I'm going to have to snag the 5700X, as the 5800X3D is too pricey, unless it's really something in games.

I'm also very undecided, I'd like to go for the 5700G but the pricing is still a bit nuts, the 5700x is looking to undercut it which is nice but I'd like to have the iGPU this time around. There's also AM5 coming soon™ but that would mean throwing away my board and ram

 

[TheLostSwede]

I'm also very undecided, I'd like to go for the 5700G but the pricing is still a bit nuts, the 5700x is looking to undercut it which is nice but I'd like to have the iGPU this time around. There's also AM5 coming soon™ but that would mean throwing away my board and ram

Went with a 5800X, as the price dropped to the equivalent of the MSRP of the 5700X plus the local VAT here. It was a no brainer in this case.
Don't have the funds to swap out everything and on top of that, I'm going to skip the next first gen platform from AMD.

 

[Valantar]

The 4500 and 4100 are the weirder ones to me - not only they don't have the iGP enabled, Renoir was also limited to 8x lanes, shouldn't really matter for anything were this chips will be used but a bit of a though sell when even a 12100F can enjoy full pcie 5.0. I guess beggars can't be choosers, though the anemic cache on this old ryzen chips and good single thread performance on Intel might still make them a tough sell regardless or the more cores/threads

Hm, I'm reasonably sure Renoir has 16 PEG lanes - IIRC it was only Picasso that had 8 PEG lanes. Though I may be mixing things up here. Still, I agree that those SKUs make the least sense - if nothing else, letting them have a barebones 3CU iGPU would have made them a more attractive proposition. Though I guess part of the point is to harvest Renoir dice with entirely defective iGPUs, given the specs.

Edit: nope, specs confirm 24/20 lanes of PCIe, i.e. the conventional x16 PEG + x4 m.2 + x4 chipset layout for the Ryzen 3 4100 (and the 4600G too).

 

[chrcoluk]

Hm, I'm reasonably sure Renoir has 16 PEG lanes - IIRC it was only Picasso that had 8 PEG lanes. Though I may be mixing things up here. Still, I agree that those SKUs make the least sense - if nothing else, letting them have a barebones 3CU iGPU would have made them a more attractive proposition. Though I guess part of the point is to harvest Renoir dice with entirely defective iGPUs, given the specs.

Edit: nope, specs confirm 24/20 lanes of PCIe, i.e. the conventional x16 PEG + x4 m.2 + x4 chipset layout for the Ryzen 3 4100 (and the 4600G too).

It does, the 5600G I believe uses Renoir for its i/o, and my 5600G has the 16+4+4 combination for lanes 3.0.

It also shows up as Renoir in Linux for the lanes.
A little warning though, it seems on the G chips AMD segmented off some of the features to a PRO line, (I think OEM only), the 4x4x4x4x mode isnt available in bios (whatever that does) and no ACS either, However ASRock found a way to get the ACS level grouping back without ACS on my bios.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-5-pro-5650g

 

[Valantar]

It does, the 5600G I believe uses Renoir for its i/o, and my 5600G has the 16+4+4 combination for lanes 3.0.

It also shows up as Renoir in Linux for the lanes.

Interesting! They probably just copy+pasted that portion of the design over, just replacing the cores, cache and rearranging things to fit.

 

[trsttte]

Hm, I'm reasonably sure Renoir has 16 PEG lanes - IIRC it was only Picasso that had 8 PEG lanes. Though I may be mixing things up here. Still, I agree that those SKUs make the least sense - if nothing else, letting them have a barebones 3CU iGPU would have made them a more attractive proposition. Though I guess part of the point is to harvest Renoir dice with entirely defective iGPUs, given the specs.

Edit: nope, specs confirm 24/20 lanes of PCIe, i.e. the conventional x16 PEG + x4 m.2 + x4 chipset layout for the Ryzen 3 4100 (and the 4600G too).

That's interesting, previously Renoir chips were reported as having only the 12pcie available (8x graphics + 4x m.2 - not counting the 4x from the chipset or the 8x on the iGP) but the die shot indeed reveals 24 available for use

Renoir - Cores - AMD - WikiChip

Renoir is codename for AMD series of mainstream mobile and desktop APUs based on the Zen 2 CPU and Vega GPU microarchitectures succeeding Picasso. Renoir processors are fabricated on TSMC 7 nm process.

en.wikichip.org

AMD "Renoir" Die Annotation Raises Hopes of Desktop Chips Featuring x16 PEG

VLSI engineer Fritzchens Fritz, famous for high-detail EM photography of silicon dies and annotations of them, recently published his work on AMD's 7 nm "Renoir" APU silicon. His die-shots were annotated by Nemez aka GPUsAreMagic. The floor-plan of the silicon shows that the CPU component...

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Probably they were mistakenly reported in some places as having only 8x PEG because the chips were more commonly found in laptops dunno

 

[5 o'clock Charlie]

Went with a 5800X, as the price dropped to the equivalent of the MSRP of the 5700X plus the local VAT here. It was a no brainer in this case.
Don't have the funds to swap out everything and on top of that, I'm going to skip the next first gen platform from AMD.

Good to hear you made a decision and have no regrets. For me, I am still going to play the waiting game for the 5800X3D till the end of April. I also saw that the price dropped to a new low where I live as well for the 5800X. Maybe I may end up doing the same as you since I also have no plans on migrating to AM5 immediately. Only time will tell.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Good to hear you made a decision and have no regrets. For me, I am still going to play the waiting game for the 5800X3D till the end of April. I also saw that the price dropped to a new low where I live as well for the 5800X. Maybe I may end up doing the same as you since I also have no plans on migrating to AM5 immediately. Only time will tell.

Well, I've been fine with my 3800X to be honest, but I'm curious if AMD is about to discontinue the 5800X in favour of the 5700X and 5800X3D.
This rig is going to have to last me a couple of more years, as I have been an "early" adopter twice and it has been quite painful both times, as AMD has launched what I'd call beta platforms both times and it took about six months of UEFI and AGESA updates to make the systems work as intended and I'm not playing that game again, especially with the cost of everything else I would need to get.

 

[mechtech]

I think I'm going to have to snag the 5700X, as the 5800X3D is too pricey, unless it's really something in games.

Even that 5600 looks nice on a budget. Still has the 32MB cache.

 

[ThrashZone]

I think I'm going to have to snag the 5700X, as the 5800X3D is too pricey, unless it's really something in games.

Hi,
450.us doesn't sound to bad to me if it's as good as amd states.

Intel just released a 800.us 12900ks for goodness sake

 

[5 o'clock Charlie]

Well, I've been fine with my 3800X to be honest, but I'm curious if AMD is about to discontinue the 5800X in favour of the 5700X and 5800X3D.
This rig is going to have to last me a couple of more years, as I have been an "early" adopter twice and it has been quite painful both times, as AMD has launched what I'd call beta platforms both times and it took about six months of UEFI and AGESA updates to make the systems work as intended and I'm not playing that game again, especially with the cost of everything else I would need to get.

If my memory serves me correctly, I don't think they phased out or discontinued the 3800X from the previous generation that quickly, but I could be wrong. I always saw sale prices of the 3800X when the 5000 series was available. So my assumption is that AMD will still produce 5800X chips as long as they have the yields to warrant them. I came in late to the Ryzen platform (e.g. B550), so I missed all of the drama you mentioned. My previous system was a z77 platform running a 3770k, which one day back in November 2020 decided to no longer complete its POST process because of an overvolted usb port and shuts down. I was unsuccessful to get it to complete the boot process and did not have the time to troubleshoot as my main rig was used for work since I was telecommuting to work. At that time, I was able to get a b550 board and 5600X immediately, which has been very good to me and fit my budget at the time. I guess I just want to get the most out of my AM4 system now rather than later when AM5 is released. At that point it may be harder get upgrade parts.

 

[TheLostSwede]

If my memory serves me correctly, I don't think they phased out or discontinued the 3800X from the previous generation that quickly, but I could be wrong. I always saw sale prices of the 3800X when the 5000 series was available. So my assumption is that AMD will still produce 5800X chips as long as they have the yields to warrant them. I came in late to the Ryzen platform (e.g. B550), so I missed all of the drama you mentioned. My previous system was a z77 platform running a 3770k, which one day back in November 2020 decided to no longer complete its POST process because of an overvolted usb port and shuts down. I was unsuccessful to get it to complete the boot process and did not have the time to troubleshoot as my main rig was used for work since I was telecommuting to work. At that time, I was able to get a b550 board and 5600X immediately, which has been very good to me and fit my budget at the time. I guess I just want to get the most out of my AM4 system now rather than later when AM5 is released. At that point it may be harder get upgrade parts.

The 3000-series got the XT parts though.

My 1700 had issues with RAM compatibility that was never properly fixed, although that RAM didn't work right with my 3800X when I got it either so... Both systems "worked" but there were little things on both, like the 3800X not reaching the promised boost speeds for at least three months and even with different RAM it took them six months before everything was 100%. AMD needs to deliver more stable platforms at launch, as that kind of stuff is infuriating. That said, Intel seems to be following AMD's lead to a degree, by giving it's partners less time to develop boards for their new chips, which isn't a good sign, as it too lead to issues on launch.

 

[mama]

Went with a 5800X, as the price dropped to the equivalent of the MSRP of the 5700X plus the local VAT here. It was a no brainer in this case.
Don't have the funds to swap out everything and on top of that, I'm going to skip the next first gen platform from AMD.

Wonder if the 'second gen' platform for Intel will be worth the wait...

 

[TheLostSwede]

Wonder if the 'second gen' platform for Intel will be worth the wait...

Performance wise, maybe, but the platform isn't changing much.

 

[Cowboystrekk]

The 5500 is the worst one.

There's no -G that tells you that it's a Cezanne, just because it doesn't have graphics. The 4000 may be inferior but at least you kind of get that from the number.

With the 5500 you're stuck with PCIE 3.

Let's go all out 2022 and build teH freshest rig ever together with a brand new Radeon 6500XT and BOOM you're stuck with PCIE 3.0 x4.

Did I mention it was all brand new from 2022?

At PCIe 3.0 and using DD4 they will perform very similar since the very similar 5600G. 5600X is 16% ahead of 5600G in gaming and 17% ahead of 12100F in gaming at 720p. 5500 has a lot more tweakability with pbo, co and running ram at 4200+ vs no OC on 12100F and ram at max 3500-3700 G1. Once tuned 5500 will be 10%+ faster and B450 (no need for B550 since it lacks PCIe 4.0) costs way less than B660.

5500 will cost the same or less than 12100F due to MB and perform better.

If you need PCIe 4.0, buy 3050, 6500/6600 gpu then 12100F is better, or if you buy Asus B660 rog F/G and bclk OC 12100F it will be faster, but price is high then (250usd MB + DDR5).

 

[5 o'clock Charlie]

The 3000-series got the XT parts though.

Good point about the XT skus, as I completely forgot about those. Though, imho I think we will not see those models in the 5000 series. I guess you can say the 3D models will fill that position. When AMD talked about 3D cache chips last year, the benchmarks they displayed were of a 3D chip version of the 5900X, yet we have not heard anything about a 5900X3D. I wonder if we will see other 3D skus in the 5000 series?

My 1700 had issues with RAM compatibility that was never properly fixed, although that RAM didn't work right with my 3800X when I got it either so... Both systems "worked" but there were little things on both, like the 3800X not reaching the promised boost speeds for at least three months and even with different RAM it took them six months before everything was 100%. AMD needs to deliver more stable platforms at launch, as that kind of stuff is infuriating.

I remember the news about the RAM compatibility and boost frequency issues, but were both due to firmware issues or something else? I can not recall what the exact culprit was with both. Would the ram compatibility issues have any bearing why AMD decided to start their own memory profile standard RAMP with AM5? I agree that ram compatibility should have been ironed out before launch, if not at least within a more timely manner post launch.

That said, Intel seems to be following AMD's lead to a degree, by giving it's partners less time to develop boards for their new chips, which isn't a good sign, as it too lead to issues on launch.

Are you referring to the 500 or 600 board series or both?

Sortof on the memory topic, I still do not fully grasp the reason why Intel decided to have two different memory modes (e.g. gear 1 & gear 2). From my reading, it runs the memory controller frequency either in full 1:1 or half frequency 1:2, so my guess more customization based on what the user's workload requires as both cater different results? I wonder if AMD will follow suit with their next platform? Thanks.

 

[Valantar]

Good point about the XT skus, as I completely forgot about those. Though, imho I think we will not see those models in the 5000 series. I guess you can say the 3D models will fill that position. When AMD talked about 3D cache chips last year, the benchmarks they displayed were of a 3D chip version of the 5900X, yet we have not heard anything about a 5900X3D. I wonder if we will see other 3D skus in the 5000 series?

AMD have confirmed that there aren't any more consumer X3D SKUs coming. That demo was an ES chip, and is not coming to market.

I remember the news about the RAM compatibility and boost frequency issues, but were both due to firmware issues or something else? I can not recall what the exact culprit was with both. Would the ram compatibility issues have any bearing why AMD decided to start their own memory profile standard RAMP with AM5? I agree that ram compatibility should have been ironed out before launch, if not at least within a more timely manner post launch.

My impression is that RAMP is more about two factors: AMD being a significant enough actor in the market to set a standard that might actually be adopted; and Intel making DDR5 XMP a lot more specific and tailored to their chips than previous generations. It makes perfect sense for AMD to do the same, specifically to ensure that people don't expect XMP kits to work flawlessly on AMD.