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Windows 11 a Flop, Survey Claims Less Than 1% Upgraded, Microsoft Improves Start Menu

micropage7 said:
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You people are so quirky and original.
lexluthermiester said:
Put another way: Quit being bone-headed dumbasses, pull your heads from your rectums and do the RIGHT and CORRECT things.
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Same thing, except towards these forums and telling them to stop being cynical about everything.
lexluthermiester said:
STOP trying to force people to newer hardware. Most are giving you the finger if they're not using a by-pass. This is NOT going to change. Forcing people to newer hardware is wasteful and unreasonable. People are not just saying no to spite you, they're doing it because they see ZERO valid reason to replace a PC that works perfectly and will continue to do so.
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Force, you're hilarious. Is that why 10 still has support and they won't just end its support, idk, tomorrow?

All I have to say about the requirements is this. Goodbye, unwatching this thread full of misinformed cynics.
 
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Minxie said:
Same thing, except towards these forums and telling them to stop being cynical about everything.
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Blah blah blah..
Minxie said:
Force, you're hilarious.
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Oh?
Minxie said:
Is that why 10 still has support and they won't just end its support, idk, tomorrow?
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And that ends in less than 3 years. What happens then clever chops? You were saying?
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Goodbye, unwatching this thread full of misinformed cynics.
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lexluthermiester said:
Put another way: Quit being bone-headed dumbasses, pull your heads from your rectums and do the RIGHT and CORRECT things.
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But the right and correct things aren't as profitable.

Microsoft want to record everything about you and your habits as data to sell. They don't give a damn about you and will only change when forced to by a government, or fined millions a day for non-compliance.

Even then, you as a US citizen may not benefit from consumer-friendly changes enforced by the EU commission - just look at Windows N and KN to comply with EU and SK rulings against Microsoft. Not only did Microsoft continue to push the full-fat versions of Windows out (along with all their monopolistic, preference-ignoring bullshit that lost them the cases against the EU and SK governments), they merely offered the option to use a compliant version that wasn't 'ram our bullshit down your throat' variants in those regions.

As someone who installed a ton of Windows N, I regret that decision; Microsoft insidiously cut out a lot more of the underlying framework than they were told to, crippling the OS beyond what the ruling mandated and made use of third-party apps far more difficult than the regular version where you could just switch your browser/player/viewer back to what you preferred every 6 months after Microsoft briefly hijacked your PC and reset all your choices. What they did with Windows N was complied, spitefully and vengefully to the letter of the law whilst completely refusing to comply with the spirit of the law. The only people who they satisfied with those versions were the lawyers!
 
Chrispy_ said:
But the right and correct things aren't as profitable.
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That depends on your perspective. Using such underhanded and slimy tactics is not winning the public over. It would be in microsoft's best interests to treat the public like valued friends & allies instead of criminals and subjugates.
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They don't give a damn about you
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And that's exactly the problem. If they cared and showed it, they would win over far more people. It's better to win over a people with trust and loyalty than force them into subjugation. History has taught this lesson many times. Certain nitwits at microsoft have failed to learn the lessons offered by history.
Chrispy_ said:
What they did with Windows N was complied, spitefully and vengefully to the letter of the law whilst completely refusing to comply with the spirit of the law.
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Proving they have not learned the lessons of history. The leadership at microsoft either needs to pull their heads from their ass or they need to be replaced, by force if needed and not unironically.
 
I have uninstalled Windows 11 and re-installed Win 10. Is slower and crappier for me than Win 10. That's the truth.
 
Totally said:
For me, it was them f@#$ing with the start menu. If I want it on the side of the screen, I want it on the side of the screen. If I wanted a Mac, I'd get a Mac and have them dictate my preferences.
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Yep the Mac interface was an instant dealbreaker. It tasted like rotten Apples at first glance and everything else/new in 11 just screams 'but why?'. Its existence, too.

Not even with an eleven foot pole...
 
Tigger said:
I meant the E cores, does win 10 have the correct thread director(or whatever it is called)
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It doesn't. But Win11 doesn't handle E cores right either, even though it is ITD-aware. It always sends background windows to E cores, even if they're running CPU-intensive tasks.

Truth be told, I'm not even sure heterogeneous cores can be figured out by the OS alone, on a desktop, period. I'm waiting for Linux 5.19 to see if that fares any better.
 
lexluthermiester said:
No, it does not. Windows 10 will not properly use ADL CPU's properly.
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It depends. Out of 31 desktop CPU models released, 18 do not have E cores, so no problem with Win10. All mobile CPUs do, though.
 
lexluthermiester said:
The problem is that all of the mainstream models do have ecores and thus will not work well with Windows 10. I keep getting BSOD's with Win10 on anything ADL, so the advice is if you have ADL, use Win11.
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I haven't noticed problems on Win10. But I did disable the E cores and only boot Windows maybe once a week... Haven't even done a clean install. But I have been warned now.
 
lexluthermiester said:
The problem is that all of the mainstream models do have ecores and thus will not work well with Windows 10. I keep getting BSOD's with Win10 on anything ADL, so the advice is if you have ADL, use Win11.
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Ok i will stick to 10. Didn't really see any reason to use 10 anyway tbh. I have been using 11 since beta, and had zero bsods, errors or CTD. Maybe i am just awesome at PC building/setting up :D
 
Tigger said:
Ok i will stick to 10. Didn't really see any reason to use 10 anyway tbh. I have been using 11 since beta, and had zero bsods, errors or CTD. Maybe i am just awesome at PC building/setting up :D
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I also have been using 11 with no errors either. I don't get the hate 4 it. It does look "macish" but mac looks like gnome to me!
 
Now watch Windows 12 bring back the 7 Start Menu, Aero V2 and a new driver regime so you have to move over, including all peripheral suppliers. Oh yeah, and DX13 of course.

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As always... anything driver or OS related... if it ain't broken, don't fix it... heck don't even look at it. It was clear as day 11 was a shitshow, a similar 'upgrade' that 8 was over 7... (no not 8.1). Its MS taking way too many cues from the market and running with it, getting it ran over like roadkill by pretty much everyone, and then coming to their senses again for the next iteration. No, MS, we don't want an Apple interface, because then we'd buy Apple. No, we don't need a million connectivity options in desktop OSes. No, we don't need a Store with specially contained apps. GTFO. All is well and it was since 7. Just do your Azure business and rip off Enterprise. They have our money.
 
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SOAREVERSOR said:
I also have been using 11 with no errors either. I don't get the hate 4 it. It does look "macish" but mac looks like gnome to me!
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It's not necessarily hate. But it's an OS that takes stuff away, giving little to nothing in return. It's probably more apathy than hate. E.g. I'm at ease giving it a pass the same way I gave (pardon the expression) 8 and 8.1 a pass.
 
I have yet to upgrade any machine I own from 10 to 11. Like most things I see no reason for change, and will likely only do so when it's an absolute requirement and even then will likely do so with ire and gritted teeth. To the same point, it's why I'm still on an 8th Gen Intel. I've had no reason to upgrade since it's purchase in 2019. Everything works, the RTX 2070 does everything I need as well. This PC is fully capable of running Win 11 but....why would I change something that works exactly as I need it to? What do I gain? I see nothing in Windows 11 worth investing my time/energy in. I would surely need hours to tweak and configure it much like I did with 10 to be happy.
 
Hi,
It's one of those switches that most would probably say there wasn't anything special about 10 so why not use 11
Personally 11 is less special seeing all the new nonsense to deal with and the crap pile looks like it's going to get taller.

Just my iphone drives me bonkers sometimes so I'd never use a closed garden os like mac 24/7... and it looks like ms is going that direction.
 
ThrashZone said:
Hi,
It's one of those switches that most would probably say there wasn't anything special about 10 so why not use 11
Personally 11 is less special seeing all the new nonsense to deal with and the crap pile looks like it's going to get taller.

Just my iphone drives me bonkers sometimes so I'd never use a closed garden os like mac 24/7... and it looks like ms is going that direction.
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MS is trying hard to go that way, but, luckily for us, it can't. Between their store being a complete failure and having to cater to businesses, Microsoft just can't lock down Windows like Apple locks down macOS.
I mean, look at how miserably Win11 failed at the attempt to reduce the number of supported CPUs.
 
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