AMD Ryzen 7000 Desktop Processors Launched: Zen4, Leadership Performance

[usiname]

IGP is only 2 CUs!!! (I haven't done the math but it should need logically at least 2.2GHz to match Raptor Lake at 1080p low)

Where you get the information for the CU count? I think it wasn't in the presentation.

 

[ModEl4]

Where you get the information for the CU count? I think it wasn't in the presentation.

From David McAfee (SVP & GM) in PCWorld interview:

1:11:27

 

[Candycrushsodasaga2]

Zen4 might be as hot as alder lake off the shelf: the 7950x has 170w tdp @ stock
360mm coolers are necessary

 

[Pumper]

Looking good, especially rendering gains, but the prices should be ~$50 lower for 7600, 7700 and 7900.

 

[Redwoodz]

You forgot that Intel didn't fully closed the doors for 8700K and 9900K on the same old socket/chipset for us tweakers. Aka 6700K-7700K-8700K and lastly 9900K had a good life with Z170. I know because I had all the Cpu upgrades in my older Clevo P870 laptop from 2015. Thats not even an desktop

Only because Intel rebadged the same tech for 8 years waiting for 10nm.

 

[fevgatos]

Oh for f*ck sake stop your crying x370 supports from a 1800X up thru to a 5950x while a z170 support a 6700K to a 7700K. Intel's had plenty of time to commit and they did f*ck all.

Yeah, 2 years after the release of the 5950x. When that x370 mobo is 5 years old and outdated. Id rather pay for a new mobo than have to wait 2 years to get support for 2 year old cpus on 5 year old motherboards.

 

[neatfeatguy]

No coolers included, not even on 7600X due to TDP/PPT (AMD expect that early buyers paying $250 plus for the motherboard and also taking account DDR5 cost and general platform cost will use anyway their own choice of cooling solutions)
IGP is only 2 CUs!!! (I haven't done the math but it should need logically at least 2.2GHz to match Raptor Lake at 1080p low)

I ran a smaller air cooler on my 5900x for a while - a Noctua NH-U9S - and it worked well enough to allow the CPU to run without issues even if the cooler is just slightly under rated for the TDP of the 5900x. I needed a cooler that fit my case until I could get an AIO. Best I can find is that the wraith cooler from AMD performs about as well as the NH-U9S. Considering the 7600 and 7700 are listed at 105W TDP from AMD, a basic cooler probably won't cut it for most people that could ship with these CPUs.

My 5900x was hitting temps of high 80s and flirting with 90 when I was doing intensive work loads while using the NH-U9S. With the H100i AIO the CPU gets to maybe mid 70s when doing intensive work loads.

 

[trsttte]

IGP is only 2 CUs!!! (I haven't done the math but it should need logically at least 2.2GHz to match Raptor Lake at 1080p low)

If we get to that point in the comparison we're in really good shape with very competitive products. I don't think either either company is pushing for performance in these product ranges, it's just a display output

 

[mahirzukic2]

Obviously will have to wait for reviews but I find it odd that the 6 and 8 core seem overpriced while the 16 core seems like it probably will be a decent deal.

This has been discussed in this Intel thread over here.
The point is to get you to go higher than you would like or need and spend more money in the process.
In marketing it is called a decoy product.
Further reading material:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoy_effect
https://www.lokad.com/decoy-pricing... the “decoy,a slightly higher quality product
https://medium.com/snippts-by-field...-pricing-strategy-for-your-brand-c5eb73f85ca8

 

[ModEl4]

If we get to that point in the comparison we're in really good shape with very competitive products. I don't think either either company is pushing for performance in these product ranges, it's just a display output

Sure, i just find it interesting that AMD with its previous history regarding IGP and graphics in general, is willing to offer a new IGP solution that it's just in the same vicinity performance wise with Intel's Raptor Lake (which is the same tech as 2021's Alder Lake essentially IGP wise)

 

[shovenose]

Sure, i just find it interesting that AMD with its previous history regarding IGP and graphics in general, is willing to offer a new IGP solution that it's just in the same vicinity performance wise with Intel's Raptor Lake (which is the same tech as 2021's Alder Lake essentially IGP wise)

I disagree, anyone who cares about GPU performance, aka gamers, will buy a discrete graphics card. So why increase the cost by including a better iGPU?

 

[ModEl4]

I disagree, anyone who cares about GPU performance, aka gamers, will buy a discrete graphics card. So why increase the cost by including a better iGPU?

You disagree that i find it interesting?

2 RDNA2 CUs on 6nm is ≤4mm² so nothing extravagant. Also it will be an extra added value (performance wise) in relation with the competition so even in the commercial sector (Optiplex,ProDesk, ThinkCentre etc) that AMD wants to get more share, although at first glance not important at all, it enables in each country local HP/Dell/Lenovo account managers to convince more easily local ITs to migrate from Intel to AMD offering an additional bullet point for local office Lan parties.
Lol, just kidding, like i told you i just find it interesting that AMD doesn't want to diversify at all performance wise, essentially justifying for that sector of the market the low performance IGP strategy that Intel was using all these years!

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AMD said that the sweet-spot is 6000 MT/s, that's very impressive if you consider that the official support regarding (non-OC) memory clock is 3600 MT/s for dual channel!

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-9-7950x

1x1R 5200 MT/s
1x2R 5200 MT/s
2x1R 3600 MT/s
2x2R 3600 MT/s

 

[Papusan]

The flagship 16-core 7950X has now been tested videocardz.com | Today

The AMD Ryzen 9 7950X was tested on ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme motherboard equipped with 32GB of DDR5-6000 memory. The CPU reached maximum boost frequency of 5759 MHz (as per detailed Geekbench data), so a bit higher than advertised boost clock of 5.7 GHz.

In Geekbench V5, Intel Raptor Lake i9-13900K with 24 cores and 32 threads is 4.4% faster in single-core and 8.4% faster in multi-core tests than Ryzen 9 7950X. On the other hand, AMD’s new flagship CPU is 31%/47.8% faster than 5950X and 14.5%/41.2% faster than i9-12900K respectively.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryz...sshair-x670e-extreme-also-tested-in-geekbench

Leadership Performance, Yep.

 

[KarymidoN]

There were rumours of Zen4 cores packaged with Zen3 I/O. Whether or not it was anything more than that...

but that would drop ddr5 and PCI-E Gen 5 support, at that point you basically using a refined ZEN3 chip. AMD Confirmed ZEN4 is not a NEW design, its just a redesigned and improved ZEN3. ZEN4 will be a complete new core.