Intel Claims 11 Percent Gaming Performance Advantage of the Core i9-13900K Over AMD's Ryzen 9 7950X

[TheLostSwede]

Intel has been busy briefing its customers about its 13th gen Core processors and courtesy of a reader over at Videocardz, we now know a little bit more about Intel's positioning of its Core i9-13900K processor. In the slides, Intel is pitching its upcoming flagship CPU against AMD's current flagship, the Ryzen 9 7950X, which is hardly surprising, since it'll be its main competitor. Intel put the two CPUs through 12 game benchmarks using an unknown graphics card and on average, the Core i9-13900K leads by around 11 percent. As always, take the numbers with a sprinkle of salt, especially as we don't know the system configuration, or even what resolution was used, but we'd hazard a guess that it's 1080p or lower. Intel only allowed for one game win for AMD, with Intel being as much as 22 percent ahead in The Riftbreaker.

Intel also claims to lead in content creation, but this doesn't appear to be quite true, as AMD either comes out on top or ties with Intel in all of the Pugetbench tests. Intel is somewhat ahead in AutoCAD Catalyst and a healthy 16 percent ahead in Autodesk Revit, but as we know, the type of scene being rendered can have a huge impact in these types of tests, as we've seen from both camps. On the plus side, here it appears that content creators shouldn't have to worry too much about which CPU is in their system, as both should be performing exceptionally well. Intel is set to launch its 13th gen Core processors tomorrow, so it won't be long until we'll have some third party benchmarks comparing the two CPUs.



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[phanbuey]

I mean considering zen 4 has a hard time beating Zen3 X3D and tuned Alderlakes (ring OC/ram tune) this isn't surprising now that intel added cache and pumped clocks on that arch.

Still I'm a huge fan of new builds on AM5 - Zen4 X3D will be the gaming champ imo.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I mean considering zen 4 has a hard time beating Zen3 X3D and tuned Alderlakes (ring OC/ram tune) this isn't surprising now that intel added cache and pumped clocks on that arch.

Still I'm a huge fan of new builds on AM5 - Zen4 X3D will be the gaming champ imo.

Intel is likely to remain the gaming champ until AMD launches the X3D parts, nothing unexpected here.

 

[dj-electric]

The x86 chip generationally beating each other is good.
There's just one issue here. The Ryzen 7000 series has just barely made to to stores and especially its lower end half going to get... well.. you'll see.

 

[phanbuey]

Intel is likely to remain the gaming champ until AMD launches the X3D parts, nothing unexpected here.

Just in time for B series AM5 boards and 7900xt/4080ti that's not a kidney (hopefully)

 

[TheLostSwede]

The x86 chip generationally beating each other is good.
There's just one issue here. The Ryzen 7000 series has just barely made to to stores and especially its lower end half going to get... well.. you'll see.

AMD really didn't get their pricing right this time around, no doubt about it.

 

[the54thvoid]

Intel being as much as 22 percent ahead in The Riftbreaker

Is this a fart simulator?

I'm always dubious of company slides but I imagine the 13900K will have a slight gaming advantage. No surprise there.

 

[Nanochip]

I want to know more about meteor lake and arrow lake. Can’t wait until that rumor cycle begins.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Without real reviews the slides make it look like Intel is up to old marketing tricks.

 

[Blueberries]

Intel claims to LEAP in content creation not lead, and they did, they've made massive strides in their multithreaded performance.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

These days it seems like the best gaming CPUs should be something other than the model with the highest core counts or even clocks. Make chips that excel at gaming the most, even if other benches suffer. The 5800X3D proves that. Seems to me if both vendors want to brag about best gaming, they should be making a line of chips with bonus cache for gamers. Imagine 6 and 8 core gamer-focused chips with higher cache totals for a small price premium. I think AMD knows this, which is why they didn’t launch an X3D Zen4 yet—it would be too superior to the flagship 7950X in games and even energy consumption, while not being nearly as expensive. Just seems like missed opportunity at the moment, even if it confuses the product stack a little.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Intel is likely to remain the gaming champ until AMD launches the X3D parts, nothing unexpected here.

Id be curious to see the 13900KS with it's 6GHz all core compared against it.

 

[zo0lykas]

Ill never understand intel dirty move...

if they show slides amd vs Intel dont forget add another line with your last gen results.

12900k vs 13900k vs 7950x vs 5950x

 

[TheLostSwede]

Intel claims to LEAP in content creation not lead, and they did, they've made massive strides in their multithreaded performance.

It says leadership below the graphs.

 

[R0H1T]

I wonder if AMD jebaited Intel here

Their x3d chips will almost certainly take the "gaming" crown back!

 

[Iain Saturn]

I mean considering zen 4 has a hard time beating Zen3 X3D and tuned Alderlakes (ring OC/ram tune) this isn't surprising now that intel added cache and pumped clocks on that arch.

Still I'm a huge fan of new builds on AM5 - Zen4 X3D will be the gaming champ imo.

And 3D cache isn’t going away

AMD has split Zen 5 cores into standard, 3D V-Cache, and ‘ Zen 5c’ variants. The Zen 5 era will debut with a 4nm process, presumably from TSMC, and 3nm variants will also be on offer, though the timing of their arrival isn’t clear. AMD’s CPU roadmap slide ends in 2024, so these cores will debut in 2024.

 

[Kapone33]

And 3D cache isn’t going away

AMD has split Zen 5 cores into standard, 3D V-Cache, and ‘ Zen 5c’ variants. The Zen 5 era will debut with a 4nm process, presumably from TSMC, and 3nm variants will also be on offer, though the timing of their arrival isn’t clear. AMD’s CPU roadmap slide ends in 2024, so these cores will debut in 2024.

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The 5800X3D has me convinced that the Zen 4 Vcache will be a chip that makes you smile when you experience it. I do feel though that that will be even more pronounced as Zen4 already pushes the GPU more than any 5000 series chip.

 

[rbgc]

Intel i9-13900K will go up to 5.8 GHz, so it is expected and this CPU will be new king. Then AMD 7800X3D prolly take it back and month or two later Intel with i9-13900KS pre binned CPU labeled 6 GHz.

Just marketing games. Intel waited with 13900K for 7950X, AMD is waiting with 7800X3D for 13900K, later Intel will do the same with 13900KS.

And then ...

 

[JustBenching]

What intel pulled is nothing sort of a miracle though. 40% performance increase with similar wattage in a single year at the same nm with similar prices. That has probably never happened before. Actually that hasnt even happened in the GPU space either. Love them or hate them, they delivered.



For context, it took amd 2 years, a node shrink, a price increase and 50% more wattage to deliver a similar performance increase.(7950x to 5950x).

 

[neatfeatguy]

I went to the https://www.intel.com/performanceindex indicated at the bottom on the charts in the pictures and I couldn't find any comparison listed there of the 13900k vs the 7950.

I can find the 13900k being compared to the 5800X3D and 5950X, but nothing from AM5. Perhaps someone else can pop in there and look around and see if I just somehow overlooked it.....or maybe Intel just hasn't posted it? Seems odd they say you can check specs for hardware on their chart, yet you can't find it.

I took one of the games on the graph (Far Cry 6) and looked under the 13th Gen Desktop Processors, but I couldn't find any 7950 (or any 7xxx series CPU from AMD listed).

Here are examples of what I can find:

As measured by Far Cry 6. (this is for 1080p)

• The 13th Generation Intel® Core™ i9-13900K processor delivers up to 6% more average frames per second (FPS) while playing Far Cry 6, compared to the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D processor.
• 13th Gen Intel® Core™ i9-13900K processor (RPL-S) PL1 set to 253W TDP, 24C32T (8P + 16E); Motherboard: Intel Internal Validation board; Memory: G.Skill DDR5 CL 28-34-34-89, 2X 16GB DDR5-5600MHz; Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1TB; Display Resolution: 1920x1080; OS: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro 22621.160; Graphics card: NVIDIA RTX 3090 (FTW3), Graphics driver: 516.59; Motherboard BIOS version: RPLSFWI1.R00.3257.A00.2207020322 with ucode patch 0x107
• AMD Ryzen™ 7 5800X3D processor PL1=105W TDP, 8C16T, Motherboard: Asus ROG Crosshair Hero VIII (WI-FI); Memory: G. Skill DDR4 CL 14-14-14-34, 2X 16GB DDR4-3200 MT/s; Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1TB; Display Resolution: 1920x1080; OS: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro 22621.160; Graphics card: NVIDIA RTX 3090 (FTW3), Graphics driver: 516.59; Motherboard BIOS version: 3201

As measured by Far Cry 6. (this is for 1080p)

• The 13th Generation Intel® Core™ i9-13900K processor delivers up to 31% more average frames per second (FPS) while playing Far Cry 6, compared to the AMD Ryzen 9 5950X processor.
• 13th Gen Intel® Core™ i9-13900K processor (RPL-S) PL1 set to 253W TDP, 24C32T (8P + 16E); Motherboard: Intel Internal Validation board; Memory: G.Skill DDR5 CL 28-34-34-89, 2X 16GB DDR5-5600MHz; Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1TB; Display Resolution: 1920x1080; OS: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro 22621.160; Graphics card: NVIDIA RTX 3090 (FTW3), Graphics driver: 516.59; Motherboard BIOS version: RPLSFWI1.R00.3257.A00.2207020322 with ucode patch 0x107
• AMD Ryzen™ 9 5950X processor PL1=105W TDP, 16C32T, Motherboard: Asus ROG Crosshair Hero VIII; Memory: G. Skill DDR4 CL 14-14-14-34, 2X 16GB DDR4-3200 MHz; Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1TB; Display Resolution: 1920x1080; OS: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro 22621.160; Graphics card: NVIDIA RTX 3090 (FTW3), Graphics driver: 516.59; Motherboard BIOS version: 4201

Clearly the gains of the 13900k vs the 5950X or the 5800X3D are not listed in the graphs so I'm not sure where they are getting the info if it's not publicly listed on the link they provided.

 

[R0H1T]

"Similar wattage" yeah right :quadruple eyeroll:

I can find the 13900k being compared to the 5800X3D and 5950X, but nothing from AM5. Perhaps someone else can pop in there and look around and see if I just somehow overlooked it.....or maybe Intel just hasn't posted it? Seems odd they say you can check specs for hardware on their chart, yet you can't find it.

This was posted from a launch event in India I think, the ones listed at Intel(.com) is from a while back.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I went to the https://www.intel.com/performanceindex indicated at the bottom on the charts in the pictures and I couldn't find any comparison listed there of the 13900k vs the 7950.

I can find the 13900k being compared to the 5800X3D and 5950X, but nothing from AM5. Perhaps someone else can pop in there and look around and see if I just somehow overlooked it.....or maybe Intel just hasn't posted it? Seems odd they say you can check specs for hardware on their chart, yet you can't find it.

I took one of the games on the graph (Far Cry 6) and looked under the 13th Gen Desktop Processors, but I couldn't find any 7950 (or any 7xxx series CPU from AMD listed).

Here are examples of what I can find:

As measured by Far Cry 6. (this is for 1080p)

• The 13th Generation Intel® Core™ i9-13900K processor delivers up to 6% more average frames per second (FPS) while playing Far Cry 6, compared to the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D processor.
• 13th Gen Intel® Core™ i9-13900K processor (RPL-S) PL1 set to 253W TDP, 24C32T (8P + 16E); Motherboard: Intel Internal Validation board; Memory: G.Skill DDR5 CL 28-34-34-89, 2X 16GB DDR5-5600MHz; Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1TB; Display Resolution: 1920x1080; OS: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro 22621.160; Graphics card: NVIDIA RTX 3090 (FTW3), Graphics driver: 516.59; Motherboard BIOS version: RPLSFWI1.R00.3257.A00.2207020322 with ucode patch 0x107
• AMD Ryzen™ 7 5800X3D processor PL1=105W TDP, 8C16T, Motherboard: Asus ROG Crosshair Hero VIII (WI-FI); Memory: G. Skill DDR4 CL 14-14-14-34, 2X 16GB DDR4-3200 MT/s; Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1TB; Display Resolution: 1920x1080; OS: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro 22621.160; Graphics card: NVIDIA RTX 3090 (FTW3), Graphics driver: 516.59; Motherboard BIOS version: 3201

As measured by Far Cry 6. (this is for 1080p)

• The 13th Generation Intel® Core™ i9-13900K processor delivers up to 31% more average frames per second (FPS) while playing Far Cry 6, compared to the AMD Ryzen 9 5950X processor.
• 13th Gen Intel® Core™ i9-13900K processor (RPL-S) PL1 set to 253W TDP, 24C32T (8P + 16E); Motherboard: Intel Internal Validation board; Memory: G.Skill DDR5 CL 28-34-34-89, 2X 16GB DDR5-5600MHz; Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1TB; Display Resolution: 1920x1080; OS: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro 22621.160; Graphics card: NVIDIA RTX 3090 (FTW3), Graphics driver: 516.59; Motherboard BIOS version: RPLSFWI1.R00.3257.A00.2207020322 with ucode patch 0x107
• AMD Ryzen™ 9 5950X processor PL1=105W TDP, 16C32T, Motherboard: Asus ROG Crosshair Hero VIII; Memory: G. Skill DDR4 CL 14-14-14-34, 2X 16GB DDR4-3200 MHz; Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1TB; Display Resolution: 1920x1080; OS: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro 22621.160; Graphics card: NVIDIA RTX 3090 (FTW3), Graphics driver: 516.59; Motherboard BIOS version: 4201

Clearly the gains of the 13900k vs the 5950X or the 5800X3D are not listed in the graphs so I'm not sure where they are getting the info if it's not publicly listed on the link they provided.

Because it's not launching until tomorrow.

 

[phanbuey]

"Similar wattage" yeah right :quadruple eyeroll:

This was posted from a launch event in India I think, the ones listed at Intel(.com) is from a while back.

Gaming wattage among all 3 is around 80-110W... unless you're playing Cinebench.

 

[Why_Me]

Just in time for B series AM5 boards and 7900xt/4080ti that's not a kidney (hopefully)

Until the B760 boards and locked cpu's are released in January, Intel is in the same boat as AMD as for as pricing goes if you want a 13 gen DDR5 board to go along with a 13 gen cpu. If Intel had done it right they would have released those boards and cpu's in early December (before Christmas).

 

[Richards]

What intel pulled is nothing sort of a miracle though. 40% performance increase with similar wattage in a single year at the same nm with similar prices. That has probably never happened before. Actually that hasnt even happened in the GPU space either. Love them or hate them, they delivered.



For context, it took amd 2 years, a node shrink, a price increase and 50% more wattage to deliver a similar performance increase.(7950x to 5950x).

Meteor lake will be even bigger.. arrow lake or lunar lake will double golden cove ipc