Apple Announces Apple Vision Pro AR Spatial Computer

[swirl09]

I would buy one just to stream games to it tbh, if the weight is ok. It could also replace the need for a laptop. Just really comes down to weight.

 

[R0H1T]

This will finally turn the human race into the ultimate evolution/form ~

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Nope wrong gif

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[evernessince]

So what I'm hearing is I can get 90% of the experience at 50% of the price by taping an iPhone 14 pro max to a set of Google cardboard VR goggles + Anker battery pack?

Apple HATES this one trick!!!

Or just get a Quest 3 at $500. No over-priced Apple gear needed.

Someone who actually got to use it. The tech is really good, but it does feel dystopian in some way. It doesn't take 360° video/photos, but stereoscopic 3D video and photos... the question is, do you really want to wear it while witnessing important moments in your life? I understand the intent to use technology to "connect", have immersive photos of great moments in your life... but in practicality, it might end up being another case of "starring at your phone instead of being fully in the moment", but in an immersive way.

Yhea, they don't invent new technology, they are just better than most at actually selling the tech to the mass. Who know what could have happen If Xerox put a patent on the mouse/GUI, and sold an OS and computer themselves?

Marques Brownlee is very pro Apple so weigh that when you consider his opinion.

He goes off about the hand tracking not being in any other HMD but Oculus has had that for awhile now on the quest 2 and it's good. Methinks he doesn't have enough experience with VR / AR headsets to say just how good this HMD is compared to other devices already on the market.

Just looking up this set, I think Apple's might be better spec wise. Varjo requires a full up computer to be plugged into. Also, it costs almost 3 times as much. I could go into a long list of pluses here on Apple's product, but it means nothing since it can't be purchased today like Varjo. So ultimately the win goes to Varjo until next year. LoL

Not even the 4090 can drive the high end Varjo in any demanding real-time graphical applications let alone the higher resolution of the Apple HMD. Fine for work but games are too much. Now compare the 4090's 85,000 to the M2's 3,600 in 3DMark Wildlife extreme and it makes you realize that the Apple HMD is beyond under-powered for anything remotely demanding at the resolution it's displays run at. Apple likely demonstrated their HMD only rendering basic 2D objects in a 3D space because doing anything more is a massive challenge for a graphics chip that weak at such a high resolution. The applications that actually run using spatial aspect will be very low resolution or low detail.

 

[Bomby569]

I have some weird googles to look into a tv or a monitor, and that somehow is the new magic invention. Stupid that's all i got to say

 

[Frick]

So what I'm hearing is I can get 90% of the experience at 50% of the price by taping an iPhone 14 pro max to a set of Google cardboard VR goggles + Anker battery pack?

Apple HATES this one trick!!!

I mean sure, if you buy this and only use it as you would use a phone it's dumb. I could buy a forklift and use it for commuting and shopping and it would be incredibly dumb.

 

[Bomby569]

I mean sure, if you buy this and only use it as you would use a phone it's dumb. I could buy a forklift and use it for commuting and shopping and it would be incredibly dumb.

Isn't the main uses for this according to Apple, to be used as a phone, a camera, a laptop, a tv? Try to do all that but in a gimmick way and less optimal then the things it tries to replace. It's a fair point.

Apart from that it's a better VR headset but you also pay an insane cost/premium for it. I'm sure the competitors could build a similar VR for less, as it always happens with Apple stuff.

 

[foo3]

15x the price of a quest for the same experience as an ipad? - tough sell

 

[Bomby569]

 

[Tropick]

I mean sure, if you buy this and only use it as you would use a phone it's dumb. I could buy a forklift and use it for commuting and shopping and it would be incredibly dumb.

I guess the reason I take issue with it is because in the release video they only show it being used for browsing photos, watching movies, searching the internet and other pedestrian tasks that don't warrant the price tag. I would've liked to see some legitimately interesting software that allows you to do things that aren't possible with what we'd consider traditional tech. Someone could buy a kitted out Mac Mini with a max spec M2 Pro and 32GB of memory and one of their 5K studio displays for the same price and probably have a better experience doing the tasks they showed off in the video. I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm more disappointed with their product positioning than the actual product itself.

 

[Guwapo77]

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The quest is hot garbage. Side note...I might had been on board if it was Chic-Fil-A. I wouldn't feed McDonalds nuggets to a PoW.

Or just get a Quest 3 at $500. No over-priced Apple gear needed.



Marques Brownlee is very pro Apple so weigh that when you consider his opinion.

He goes off about the hand tracking not being in any other HMD but Oculus has had that for awhile now on the quest 2 and it's good. Methinks he doesn't have enough experience with VR / AR headsets to say just how good this HMD is compared to other devices already on the market.



Not even the 4090 can drive the high end Varjo in any demanding real-time graphical applications let alone the higher resolution of the Apple HMD. Fine for work but games are too much. Now compare the 4090's 85,000 to the M2's 3,600 in 3DMark Wildlife extreme and it makes you realize that the Apple HMD is beyond under-powered for anything remotely demanding at the resolution it's displays run at. Apple likely demonstrated their HMD only rendering basic 2D objects in a 3D space because doing anything more is a massive challenge for a graphics chip that weak at such a high resolution. The applications that actually run using spatial aspect will be very low resolution or low detail.

...Nobody is impressed by the Quest; however, this new Apple toy has all the tech geeks going crazy. This is a bit different my friend.

 

[evernessince]

The quest is hot garbage. Side note...I might had been on board if it was Chic-Fil-A. I wouldn't feed McDonalds nuggets to a PoW.


...Nobody is impressed by the Quest; however, this new Apple toy has all the tech geeks going crazy. This is a bit different my friend.

It has all the hipsters going crazy, which is pretty typical for an Apple product. The impression at broad in the AR / VR community is pretty mixed. There is more positive sentiment towards quest products in the VR community than there is for this device. The quest lineup has been selling very well so clearly there are people that like it.

 

[R0H1T]

The proof of the pudding is in the eating, this would definitely be more polished than most other VR/AR headsets because it's Apple. But then it's also stupidly priced. I'd rather buy a second hand car with that money, it could actually take you places for real.

 

[trsttte]

One of the few things I'd want a device like this is for having diagrams, schematics, specs, guides for instructional use for building, repairing, constructing, soldering, etc. But in a form akin to reading glasses. This is very cool, but not for me.

That has been one of the key markets for the hololens helping in manufacturing and machine maintenance - the other market being the military for **stuff**

do you really want to wear it while witnessing important moments in your life?

The guy wearing the headset while he watches the kids play has to be one of the most dystopic things apple ever put in a presentation

 

[Frick]

I guess the reason I take issue with it is because in the release video they only show it being used for browsing photos, watching movies, searching the internet and other pedestrian tasks that don't warrant the price tag. I would've liked to see some legitimately interesting software that allows you to do things that aren't possible with what we'd consider traditional tech. Someone could buy a kitted out Mac Mini with a max spec M2 Pro and 32GB of memory and one of their 5K studio displays for the same price and probably have a better experience doing the tasks they showed off in the video. I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm more disappointed with their product positioning than the actual product itself.

I think the idea is to have the market decide how best to use it. At this point it's a massively upgraded Hololens but with mass market appeal. And it does have some advantages: you can use on on a flight or train in a way you wouldn't be able to use a laptop, and a big one is the ability to just put up screens whever you want them.

This specific product won't sell in numbers massive enough to cover the RD costs, obviosuly. But what is interesting is to see ver 3 or 4.

It has all the hipsters going crazy, which is pretty typical for an Apple product. The impression at broad in the AR / VR community is pretty mixed. There is more positive sentiment towards quest products in the VR community than there is for this device. The quest lineup has been selling very well so clearly there are people that like it.

The Quest is a VR headset though, this is not. Apple didn't mention games at all, because that specific market at this time is pretty mich saturated.

 

[dyonoctis]

I think the idea is to have the market decide how best to use it. At this point it's a massively upgraded Hololens but with mass market appeal. And it does have some advantages: you can use on on a flight or train in a way you wouldn't be able to use a laptop, and a big one is the ability to just put up screens whever you want them.

This specific product won't sell in numbers massive enough to cover the RD costs, obviosuly. But what is interesting is to see ver 3 or 4.


The Quest is a VR headset though, this is not. Apple didn't mention games at all, because that specific market at this time is pretty mich saturated.

that's pretty much what he's suggesting in that video, but he's also worried that Apple "doing what other can, but better" might not be enough. Unless the devs are really inspired, it's just going to be another very good headset, If Apple themselves couldn't think outside the box when it comes to the software

 

[Mussels]

Somehow the front view says "glossier quest 2" while the back says "I belong with your SNES"


The quest 2 got some crazy updates over time, and using third party software like virtual desktop streamer DRASTICALLY changes what they can do, with far higher performance... I dont even use oculus/meta software at all, just steam VR and the virtual streamer and it chugs away at 120Hz/FPS problem free.

The problem is I can never convince anyone to use it often - and because of that software devs never spend much money on them. When there are so few must have VR apps and they're only available on other platforms, what's apple going to do to make users/businesses use their VR/AR instead?

 

[aciDev]

it chugs away at 120Hz/FPS problem free.

Is it overclockable?

 

[evernessince]

The Quest is a VR headset though, this is not. Apple didn't mention games at all, because that specific market at this time is pretty mich saturated.

The quest is an XR headset, which means it can do both VR and AR. By default the Quest pro doesn't even come with light blockers (which you need for immersive VR) and is clearly angled at the same market as the Apple HMD.

The entire reason you buy the pro over the quest is for it's ability as an AR HMD. The ironic part is that the quest pro didn't sell well at it's higher launch MSRP targeting the same market that Apple is going for. It wasn't until they lowered the price and started advertising more to the VR market that sales improved.

Also, I feel like it needs to be pointed out that Apple is claiming copyright on YouTuber's videos who's impressions of the product were not approved of by Apple.

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

I find it impressive.
Not hardware but software-wise.

Yes there are/will be probably better VR sets but I don't think there is software, environment or apps in general in that scale that work without issues from day one.

I like it and I could put some money on a set like this.
But I don't like iOS (apart from the one in my mobile phone). When Windows, apps, games and VR sets match that level of user friendliness, I will definitely consider buying one.

Good lord, man...what a reasonable comment!

Yeah the price is high ah...but then it reminds me of the original Mac like that (and which is why I never got to touch one beyond school back when). We do all know how that product worked out.

Is it overclockable?

I like you.

There is apparently some killer content that already exists too incl something LOTR my superfan wife tells me. Which could ultimately also have to do w/ a Orlando attraction someday, as an aside.

 

[mb194dc]

Have they lost the plot finally?

 

[Mussels]

Is it overclockable?

yup, got that done too
They added a devmode feature for a 7% Overclock boost mode, and you can enable it with these tools (like choosing 72/90/120Hz) at the cost of battery life and heat - letting you choose the balance you want.
Quest2 being android based has a *lot* of awesome features available to devs. At this point I think they just unlocked it for everyone, and put it in the in-headset settings.

Mine runs OC'd and at 120Hz because i run a headband with hotswap magnetic battery packs, so i have about 5x the battery life without even taking the headset off if i had the spare in a pocket

SideQuestVR was used to sideload apps, but also change all these settings before they're officially released unlocked
Virtual desktop streamer has an awkward name, unfortunately but it's an alternative to the stock software - you can use it to stream a 2D desktop directly, or use with steamVR with gaming
Oculus tray tools uses their software, but with a ton of tweaks


The BoboVR strap is freaking amazing, the gel cushioning is cooler and less forceful, and the battery weight at the back rebalances the headset to prevent as much pressure on your face - big game changer for headache prevention

The batteries use strong magnets and a loud beep, so you know when its connected even with the headset on, with blind hotswaps

Apple wants another device to sell expensive accesories for, and i fear they'll try to patent lock a bunch of good designs or ideas and prevent them being used on other devices


Sidequest image, i think this is no longer needed. The Quest2 devs seemed to notice what was popular in the modding community and adopted a lot of tweaks officially, and since i use VDS and it has these options, I havent used this in a long time.

 

[aciDev]

yup, got that done too
They added a devmode feature for a 7% Overclock boost mode, and you can enable it with these tools (like choosing 72/90/120Hz) at the cost of battery life and heat - letting you choose the balance you want.
Quest2 being android based has a *lot* of awesome features available to devs. At this point I think they just unlocked it for everyone, and put it in the in-headset settings.

Mine runs OC'd and at 120Hz because i run a headband with hotswap magnetic battery packs, so i have about 5x the battery life without even taking the headset off if i had the spare in a pocket

SideQuestVR was used to sideload apps, but also change all these settings before they're officially released unlocked
Virtual desktop streamer has an awkward name, unfortunately but it's an alternative to the stock software - you can use it to stream a 2D desktop directly, or use with steamVR with gaming
Oculus tray tools uses their software, but with a ton of tweaks


The BoboVR strap is freaking amazing, the gel cushioning is cooler and less forceful, and the battery weight at the back rebalances the headset to prevent as much pressure on your face - big game changer for headache prevention


The batteries use strong magnets and a loud beep, so you know when its connected even with the headset on, with blind hotswaps


Apple wants another device to sell expensive accesories for, and i fear they'll try to patent lock a bunch of good designs or ideas and prevent them being used on other devices


Sidequest image, i think this is no longer needed. The Quest2 devs seemed to notice what was popular in the modding community and adopted a lot of tweaks officially, and since i use VDS and it has these options, I havent used this in a long time.

Wow, that's a lot of information. Thanks! I'm going to pass them on to my father-in-law, who has one and I suppose he only uses it for iRacing. Perhaps I'll borrow it.

 

[Wye]

Fake clickbait title in trending topics "Apple VR Headset Launched".
It did not launched, just announced.
Are you THAT desperate?

 

[Mussels]

Are you THAT desperate?

Who? Apple or techpowerup?

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