Microsoft Announces October 2025 Date for Windows 10 End of Support

[JohH]

Maybe in 2 years the taskbar will be able to be moved again.

 

[R-T-B]

Not it isn't. Bitlocker is NOT enabled unless the user enables it. End of story!

SecureCore PCs people. It autoenables on such systems.

These are special oem bios builds found in oem builds and notebooks. You will never get this is a whitebox PC.

We already had one TPU user experience this on a notebook.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Not it isn't. Bitlocker is NOT enabled unless the user enables it. End of story!

OK chill with the punctuation, we're all cool here. Then MS has recently started making it far too easy (pushing?) for the end user to enable BL without explaining the purpose and also how to recover from problems when faced with a non-booting Windows and a Bitlocker screen. In the end it's resulting in the same effect, users faced with an unfamiliar screen thanks to Windows corruption and not knowing how to fix the problem.

 

[lexluthermiester]

SecureCore PCs people. It autoenables on such systems.

These are special oem bios builds found in oem builds and notebooks. You will never get this is a whitebox PC.

We already had one TPU user experience this on a notebook.

Have yet to see this. Will disable it complete when I do. There is absolutely no need for bitlocker to be enabled on a non-business system.

 

[R-T-B]

Have yet to see this. Will disable it complete when I do. There is absolutely no need for bitlocker to be enabled on a non-business system.

SecureCore PCs tend to be business notebooks, think Lenovo thinkpads and such.

And yeah even my business with data compliance rules turns it off (we use our own encryption).

 

[Lew Zealand]

SecureCore PCs people. It autoenables on such systems.

These are special oem bios builds found in oem builds and notebooks. You will never get this is a whitebox PC.

We already had one TPU user experience this on a notebook.

Ah this makes sense as the problem PCs have all been laptops (Dell and Lenovo) so very likely oem Win11 builds. And I have a gaming laptop in a box which I have to set up, my first W11 setup from oem though it's Asus. I'll pay attention to what W11 asks and check Bitlocker afterwards because I don't want it enabled on this PC.

 

[AusWolf]

Everyone can install Windows 11.

Not really. You need a TPM for Win 11. My HTPC with a 4th gen i7 for example, is not compatible.

 

[Kapone33]

It is not. Where did you hear that nonsense? No one is required to use bitlocker. It is entirely optional as is OneDrive, which can be readily unistalled.


Not it isn't. Bitlocker is NOT enabled unless the user enables it. End of story!

I understand what you are saying but Windows 11 TPM is basically the same thing. If you don't reset TPM when you change hardware it can be a real pain to get Windows to run properly. I have run into issues just installing Windows 11 on some platforms. The fact remains that Windows 11 has some services baked into TPM, like Game Pass.

 

[maxli86]

Oh... great MS move to force people to move to the next OS.
For those still using older hardware so means have to upgrade their PC?
Especially those still have Intel Skylake PC so have to change PC?

I am so reluctant to upgrade to Win on my Intel 9th PC, start menu is one thing I will miss.
The VBS feature does slowdown the CPU according to my testing.

 

[mechtech]

2 years before the move to Linux......

 

[Bruno_O]

2 years before the move to Linux......

as mentioned above, get Windows 10 LTSC 21H2

been running LTSB then LTSC for years, it has a lot less bloatware than vanilla Windows, and everything works - you can install the Windows Store manually if you want Xbox live or other apps (github com/kkkgo/LTSC-Add-MicrosoftStore)

 

[Eiji]

as mentioned above, get Windows 10 LTSC 21H2

been running LTSB then LTSC for years, it has a lot less bloatware than vanilla Windows, and everything works - you can install the Windows Store manually if you want Xbox live or other apps (github com/kkkgo/LTSC-Add-MicrosoftStore)

How long until games are incompatible with Windows 10 21H2 though? You shouldn't expect compatibility until 2032.

 

[mplayerMuPDF]

Have yet to see this. Will disable it complete when I do. There is absolutely no need for bitlocker to be enabled on a non-business system.

So it is not a problem if someone steals your laptop and is able to harvest all your data (such as tax returns etc and perhaps even "remember me" cookies) from it?

 

[ThrashZone]

It is not. Where did you hear that nonsense? No one is required to use bitlocker. It is entirely optional as is OneDrive, which can be readily unistalled.


Not it isn't. Bitlocker is NOT enabled unless the user enables it. End of story!

Hi,
Got you going though didn't I

Yeah long shot doubt MS is suicidal but 2 people so far have gotten bitlocked.

 

[mechtech]

as mentioned above, get Windows 10 LTSC 21H2

been running LTSB then LTSC for years, it has a lot less bloatware than vanilla Windows, and everything works - you can install the Windows Store manually if you want Xbox live or other apps (github com/kkkgo/LTSC-Add-MicrosoftStore)

tried once key didn't work

 

[VictorLGC]

"Microsoft Announces October 2025 Date for Windows 10 End of Support"

By then I hope to be using Windows 13 or something.

Happily rocking Windows 11 latest Dev build as of now. No issues.

 

[trsttte]

I mean if you're going to violate the eula though why pay at all? Just pirate the thing at that point.

(Note to mods: not endorsing piracy, just saying it's no better to pay some greymarket vendor for an equally dubious license).

Do LTSC grey market keys even work?

Incorrect and very bad advice. YOU of all people should know this. Whether or not the EULA is fully adhered too is irrelevant to whether or not one has purchased a legit copy. Blatant piracy is dishonest and outright stealing. This is different from using a product outside the terms of EULA, especailly when many of the terms contained within an EULA are blatantly immoral/unethical or unlawful.

Using an OS your own way is a VERY different situation from using without having purchased/paid for it.

I think we're playing at semantics and personal morals/ethics when you simply can't buy the product as a regular user. It's more than just ignoring a couple lines in the EULA, it's a product that microsoft doesn't sell, from my point of view buying a grey market key is worse than regular piracy because you're giving money and someone who didn't work on the product is profeting from it. You're not just stealing a product, someone who's not Microsoft is making money out of the product which is piracy as well.

 

[Minus Infinity]

No, thank you. I'll give Windows 12 a go (unless it's riddled with spyware just like 11), but if worst comes to worst, I can live without updates, no biggie.

It'll be riddled with AI and be cloud focused. M$ is already demanding 50 TOPS AI accelerators on new cpu/apu's for 12. I know 11 is seen as the new Vista, but I'm not sure 12 will be any better.

 

[R-T-B]

Incorrect and very bad advice. YOU of all people should know this. Whether or not the EULA is fully adhered too is irrelevant to whether or not one has purchased a legit copy. Blatant piracy is dishonest and outright stealing. This is different from using a product outside the terms of EULA, especailly when many of the terms contained within an EULA are blatantly immoral/unethical or unlawful.

Using an OS your own way is a VERY different situation from using without having purchased/paid for it.

I really don't view it that way when dealing with graymarket vendors. If you have a choice between buying a product I make from a greymarket key reseller and pirating it, just pirate it.

Your view is yours but mine really is not that unusual, and the fact is software devs have rights to decide their license terms.

 

[Bruno_O]

How long until games are incompatible with Windows 10 21H2 though? You shouldn't expect compatibility until 2032.

there are no new Windows 10 builds, it's finished, just patches

so 21H2 should be compatible while Windows 10 is supported for gaming

 

[lexluthermiester]

Not really. You need a TPM for Win 11. My HTPC with a 4th gen i7 for example, is not compatible.

Yes, really. The bypasses are easy to use. Everyone can do it. For example, I have the current version(23H2) of 11 running on a Xeon X3460(Lynnfield socket 1156). It runs perfectly. I have tested 11 on a Core2 Duo(T7200) based laptop. It ran fine on that system too.

I understand what you are saying but Windows 11 TPM is basically the same thing. If you don't reset TPM when you change hardware it can be a real pain to get Windows to run properly. I have run into issues just installing Windows 11 on some platforms. The fact remains that Windows 11 has some services baked into TPM, like Game Pass.

TPM and bitlocker are not the same thing. One takes advantage of the other. The presence of TPM does not automatically enable bitlocker.

 

[AusWolf]

Yes, really. The bypasses are easy to use. Everyone can do it. For example, I have the current version(23H2) of 11 running on a Xeon X3460(Lynnfield socket 1156). It runs perfectly. I have tested 11 on a Core2 Duo(T7200) based laptop. It ran fine on that system too.

With some messing around, sure, if one is so inclined. As for me, I'm fine with Win 10.

 

[lexluthermiester]

So it is not a problem if someone steals your laptop and is able to harvest all your data (such as tax returns etc and perhaps even "remember me" cookies) from it?

Are you being deliberately difficult? If you need bitlocker, set it up and use it. Or use something else that can secure your system. I'm not saying it shouldn't be available, I'm saying it shouldn't be on by DEFAULT! And currently it isn't.

Got you going though didn't I

You were joking? Yeah, for a moment you had me thinking "What the hell?!?"..

With some messing around, sure, if one is so inclined. As for me, I'm fine with Win 10.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not implying you have too, just that everyone can.

I really don't view it that way when dealing with graymarket vendors. If you have a choice between buying a product I make from a greymarket key reseller and pirating it, just pirate it.

Your view is yours but mine really is not that unusual, and the fact is software devs have rights to decide their license terms.

You are expressing the differences between something that might be iffy and something that most certainly is wrong and illegal. This is not semantics either. It is a clear line between what is potentially questionable(even though we all know they're not) and what is flat out dishonest.

 

[chrcoluk]

Have yet to see this. Will disable it complete when I do. There is absolutely no need for bitlocker to be enabled on a non-business system.

It can be enabled automatically on 11, luckily the behaviour can be disabled.

Apparently this is a thing in earlier Windows also, but I have only heard of 11 doing it.

Details here how to disable the behaviour.

PreventDeviceEncryption

PreventDeviceEncryption

learn.microsoft.com

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Little more up to date and detailed tutorial for win-10 same for 11 as far as I know plus a 11 member posted this jewel and confirmed this string for my own extra partitions should be fine because frankly I'd hate to see my 4tb m.2s get bitlocked lol

Turn On or Off BitLocker for Operating System Drive in Windows 10

How to Turn On or Off BitLocker for Operating System Drive in Windows 10

www.tenforums.com

reg add "HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\BitLocker" /v "PreventDeviceEncryption" /t REG_DWORD /d "1" /f
fsutil behavior set disableencryption 1
manage-bde -off C:
manage-bde -off D:
manage-bde -off E:
manage-bde -off F:
cipher /d /e /f /s:C:\
sc config EFS start= disabled
sc config BDESVC start= disabled