Intel Core i9-14900KS

[Chrispy_]

Because the super ethical, consumer friendly company AMD, who always has their fans' interests at heart, is unopposed in the HEDT market and currently charges whatever it wants for the Ryzen Threadripper. The cheapest consumer-grade TR is currently $1,500.

Hah, there's nothing ethical or consumer-friendly about any megacorp!

They have reached megacorp status by:

• getting as close to the law as possible, often breaking it and just settling the lawsuit.
• charging people as much as they can get away with, no charity unless you can gain PR or exposure from said charity.
• investing huge amounts of resources in political and marketing spin to sell things to consumers, governements, investors, etc.
• being caught cheating, lying, stealing and sometimes even in the act of covering up said offences or other socially/ethically-inappropriate behaviours such as astroturfing and smear campaigns.

This applies to just about every single one of the FTSE 100 companies, and I'd wager the vast majority of the Fortune 500 companies. Sadly, this is what late-stage capitalism looks like and George Orwell, Stanley Kubrick weren't a million miles off the mark all those years ago....

 

[Readlight]

Power for one frame is most interesting.

 

[Dr_b_]

I remember someone in techpowerup saying that the 14900KS would be the most efficient processor in the market.*

On topic, great review! And sheesh, that power draw, it's uuhh, it's one hell of a thing, isn't it?


*Do note that I may be misremembering things.

you aren't, i was posting on the same thread about how its a power hog based on early reviews. Its dead last in every metric https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-14900ks/22.html

 

[Carlyle2020hs]

There is somebody in the UK called Ian (8Pack) Parry who is a professional overclocker and he says the answer to the power and heat problems of the 14900KS is to overclock it.

A little bit more than that, specifically

"...(for gaming) 8Pack tunes the (14900KS) CPU using a Thermal Velocity Boost overclock, improving on stock speeds substantially. A static overclock of 5.9GHz is set with a TVB +2 ratio, allowing for consistent boosts of around 6.1GHz in gaming. The E cores are also tuned to 4.3GHz.

Improvements are also made on limitations of the stock CPUs behaviour by reducing power consumption, which leads to lower temperatures all while offering huge gains in performance. This is achieved by disabling hyperthreading on the p cores and turning off half of the e cores, allowing for up to 20% improvement in CPU bound gaming workloads such as high FPS esport titles."

See his YouTube video Fixed with Overclocking?? Intel Core i9 14900KS Review with 8Pack.

He didn´t run it as a daily system.

The pump-out effect is really bad.
I ran my 13900ks that way and had to clean and repaste the CPU every 90 to 120 days.

And he never cought the jitter and bad latency turning all those things off. Latencymon shows this.

It games like hell that way but it is not fit for audio production.

 

[Dr_b_]

Oh, it will be.
Once you restrict and disable everything that makes it a KS.

exactly the excuses are "Well if you limit the clocks and voltage and power, its crazy how efficient it is"

 

[Braegnok]

I tried to buy i9-14900KS this morning at Denver MicroCenter, the store never opened, sold out.

Intel Core i9-14900KS Launch today

Hello, today was the launch of Intel Core i9-14900KS CPU, I checked Denver store online at 3:00AM and you had 10 14KS chips in stock, the store opens at 10:00AM.

community.microcenter.com

 

[Godrilla]

I tried to buy i9-14900KS this morning at Denver MicroCenter, the store never opened, sold out.

Intel Core i9-14900KS Launch today

Hello, today was the launch of Intel Core i9-14900KS CPU, I checked Denver store online at 3:00AM and you had 10 14KS chips in stock, the store opens at 10:00AM.

community.microcenter.com

Strange, in NY there are dozens across the state currently single digits per store.
Update Newegg seems to have it available currently.

 

[Dr_b_]

For a minute I thought I was reading an Extreme Edition Netburst CPU review

Even netburst wasn't this bad, this is a holy isht earth destroyer

 

[Imouto]

If you NEED that MT performance, why don't you have a ThreadRipper?
NEEDING that much performance implies that time=money for your renders and even a 24-core Threadripper will pay for itself in very little time.

You don't really need a TR for CPU rendering when you can rent an AWS instance for pennies. 1 hour of a 96 core EPYC instance is like ~$5. A 32 core is ~$2.

 

[MonteCristo]

- Nothing to see here.. move on please!
- But there is a fire!..

 

[mama]

So, Intel has the best 4K gaming chip then...

 

[fevgatos]

The usual amd brigade. Who would have thought that with no power limits the chip wouldn't be efficient. Im shocked.

Regarding the x3d's supposed gaming prowess, here is a 14900k running @ 95 watts. Happy to see some results with the x3d's beating the crap out of it. If that happens, im buying one.

Spoiler

I remember someone in techpowerup saying that the 14900KS would be the most efficient processor in the market.*

@iso power it is the most efficient intel CPU. Not sure if it's beats 7950x or not.

 

[Chrispy_]

You don't really need a TR for CPU rendering when you can rent an AWS instance for pennies. 1 hour of a 96 core EPYC instance is like ~$5. A 32 core is ~$2.

If you've already paid to host your datasets in AWS that's great, but we rarely do it because the viz team is pulling assets from 150TB of locally-stored historic data. Collating and uploading relevent stuff to AWS for cloud rendering takes time which is expensive and the AWS hosting costs and associated setup costs aren't zero either.

If it's all already in place and you're already using AWS for production it's great - and it's also the obvious choice - but that's rarely the case for the people I've dealt with both in-house and externally.

Costs add up fast too. If you have a big project that's going to take 50 hours of AWS compute that's $250 for one single use. After a dozen of those and you could already have secured yourself a trio of 7950X render nodes to use for the next few hundred projects. We trialled both Azure and AWS and it wasn't cost effective at all based on compute costs alone, though if you managed to land a job that needed 5000 cores in a hurry on a tight production deadline then it has a dramatically shorter lead time than physical in-house renderboxes, doesn't require any capital costs, and presumably the urgency and scale of that job means it comes with a fat enough paycheck to absorb the AWS costs many times over.

 

[AnarchoPrimitiv]

AMD are guilty of the exact same sins, to a lesser extent. I'm doing plenty of 7950X builds this year and they default to a 230W PPT which is silly because you can get 92-95% of that performance at 80 Watts less, and still around 85% of the performance at 100W or soso.

Isn't that the fault of the motherboard manufacturer?

The usual amd brigade.

I get fanboys can be annoying, but at least AMD fanboys make some sense, because AMD's success OBJECTIVELY improves things for ALL consumers....Intel's success however, because they have the majority marketshare in a duopoly, OBJECTIVELY is a bad thing for all consumers (the same can be said about Nvidia for that matter). Ideally, what we should all be hoping for is for Intel and AMD to fight to a 50/50 stalemate, this would bring about the most competition and the best situation for consumers. In that sense, Intel and Nvidia fans are actively cheering for monopoly, less competition, and against their own interests as consumers.

 

[Imouto]

If you've already paid to host your datasets in AWS that's great, but we rarely do it because the viz team is pulling assets from 150TB of locally-stored historic data. Collating and uploading relevent stuff to AWS for cloud rendering takes time which is expensive and the AWS hosting costs and associated setup costs aren't zero either.

If it's all already in place and you're already using AWS for production it's great - and it's also the obvious choice - but that's rarely the case for the people I've dealt with both in-house and externally.

I have the opposite experience. AWS is scalable, on-demand and without a heavy initial investment. I honestly don't know anyone you could trick into buying more hardware than strictly necessary for a project or ongoing operation which is even less needed because it's going to sit unused for long periods of time.

Uploading a 32 GB scene to render takes 5 min on a 1 Gbps connection so I don't get that either.

 

[Solaris17]

@W1zzard Thank you SO much for the PCB design, AI and VS compile benchmarks. I didn't catch when these were added but this is what I wanted.

 

[Super XP]

This Intel CPU is the worst processor they've ever released to date. Worst efficiency, price/performance, power hungry etc., what is the point of this CPU? Its not even worth buying it just to play around with it and benchmark it for its high cost.

 

[jmcosta]

This Intel CPU is the worst processor they've ever released to date. Worst efficiency, price/performance, power hungry etc., what is the point of this CPU? Its not even worth buying it just to play around with it and benchmark it for its high cost.

My guess is that this model is target to overclockers, those who like to tinker, lapping and run at crazy frequencies for the best min fps or simply reach to new records in many applications.
If you buy hardware at this price range, energy cost or heat output isn't a problem.

 

[Super XP]

My guess is that this model is target to overclockers, those who like to tinker, lapping and run at crazy frequencies for the best min fps or simply reach to new records in many applications.
If you buy hardware at this price range, energy cost or heat output isn't a problem.

Probably yes. Just that it's an expensive CPU that looks like it can get damaged by tinkering.

 

[Blueberries]

@W1zzard you use the 115C temperature limit in your Intel reviews. I was wondering if this is an arbitrary limit or if you based that limit on a technical specification.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

The usual amd brigade. Who would have thought that with no power limits the chip wouldn't be efficient. Im shocked.

Intel is doing this! They CAN prevent their CPUs running with high power limits. They CAN sell their CPUs with reasonable power limits/frequencies out of the box so that the CPUs run efficiently and do not overheat.

 

[W1zzard]

@W1zzard you use the 115C temperature limit in your Intel reviews. I was wondering if this is an arbitrary limit or if you based that limit on a technical specification.

This is the highest possible setting

 

[1d10t]

Yawn, another beating for already horse carcasses. For one of a kind, I bet this CPU will sell like hot cakes, literally and figuratively.

 

[fevgatos]

Intel is doing this! They CAN prevent their CPUs running with high power limits. They CAN sell their CPUs with reasonable power limits/frequencies out of the box so that the CPUs run efficiently and do not overheat.

And they'd do that to pretend they are efficient like AMD? Why? What's the point? They have non K and T cpus for people that care about efficiency.

 

[demonicmaniac]

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500w @ 118° C ??? What the... Intel always breaking its own records! Congrats. I wonder what AMD is doing, not even server processors can achieve this feat. Well played intel.

you don't need to look far, anandtech tested the 7950x at 35w/65w/90w and it beats the 14900ks in efficiency at every point by at least 60%, yes even at 35w.

https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph17641/130507.png

oops sorry that was meant as a reply to the but intel 14900ks most efficient cpu sorry