AMD Debuts Radeon RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 Powered by RDNA 4, and FSR 4

[Kaleid]

Let's not call things low end, most gamers on Steam are still on 1080p. If people had 7800xt levels of performance as a norm games would be optimized to look a lot better.

It's absurd for Nvidia to try to normalize massive price increases, this must be resisted

 

[Daven]

Wow the comments are apocalyptic. I would be sad for AMD except the vast majority here are disappointed that AMD doesn’t have RDNA4 ready to help drive down Nvidia prices so that they can afford a 5000 GPU. Sorry ladies and gents but Huang is gonna get all your disposable income for now. Lol!

 

[Hxx]

This announcement is pointless without concrete info on availability and pricing. They essentially just confirmed that the card that we knew was coming indeed will be coming and have performance levels that already were expected and discussed to death for month. Classic AMD marketing self-inflicted wound. Jesus fucking Christ.

They are waiting on Nvidias keynote before announcing pricing and more details .

 

[_roman_]

I hope MSI has quit making amd graphic cards. They do not have the knowledge or skill for that task.

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When the gaming handheld market keep on going AMD will have to advance their graphic cards. That could bring also benefits to desktop cards.

 

[AusWolf]

They are waiting on Nvidias keynote before announcing pricing and more details .

Yeah, but this was their CES keynote, their big chance to announce something. Are they gonna come back in a few days saying "by the way..." That'd be so cheap.

 

[Onasi]

They are waiting on Nvidias keynote before announcing pricing and more details .

I am sure they do. They had another option though - don’t fucking say anything until you are ready. That’s how NV does things. That’s how, surprisingly, Intel did things. Anything else looks amateurish and hiding this away in the margins for the press without giving Radeon any space in the main presentation just exacerbates this look. That’s why I said it’s a MARKETING failure. Marketing has been Radeons biggest enemy for years now. They have pretty damn good products, all things considered, but they have absolutely no idea how to present and sell people on them.

 

[k0vasz]

It's in fact the Moore's law that screws us, and TSMC which jumps over itself with the ridiculously high wafers prices (I look at you 2nm and 3nm ) which stops AMD from innovating.

RX 9070 will be more of the same, released more than 4 years ago in the form of RX 6800 XT.

it didn't stop innovating, it just turned out that this arch is a deadend, and they're working on UDNA. that will be the real next gen GPU

 

[RedelZaVedno]

Yeah, 670 EUR (or $700) are sale prices unfortunately (which I like of course), but AMD still officially had the MSRP for it around $750 until now:
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I'm not sure why you think $600 would be considered DOA since the direct performance rival of the RX 7900 XT (the RTX 4070 Ti Super) is pushing $800. $600 would be a competitive price.

Because of 5070 and 5070TI pricing. I can't see Ngreedia push 5070 past $599 and 5070TI past $799 MSRP given their specs. AMD needs to price RDNA4 at least $100 to $150 bellow them to sell. So $499 if it competes with 5070 or $649 max if it competes with 5070TI. AMD likely won't do that and that's why RDNA4 will share the same faith as RNDA3 did with it's current 0.2% presentation on Steam. It saddens me Radeon division doesn't get it or maybe they just don't have enough TSMC waffers at their disposal inside AMD, so they maximize the pricing on even shrinking Team red fanboys (being one of them myself since Ati times back in the 90ies, but even I had enough of broken promises and jumped on Ngreedia wagon ).

 

[Cheeseball]

Because of 5070 and 5070TI pricing. I can't see Ngreedia push 5070 past $599 and 5070TI past $799 MSRP given their specs. AMD needs to price RDNA4 at least $100 to $150 bellow them to sell. So $499 if it competes with 5070 or $649 max if it competes with 5070TI. AMD likely won't do that and that's why RDNA4 will share the same faith as RNDA3 did with it's current 0.2% presentation on Steam. It saddens me Radeon division doesn't get it or maybe they just don't have enough TSMC waffers at their disposal inside AMD, so they maximize the pricing on even shrinking Team red fanboys (being one of them myself since Ati times back in the 90ies, but even I had enough of broken promises and jumped on Ngreedia wagon ).

I'm still going to hope for around $600. And the worst-case pricing still at $800. I cannot see AMD aiming this at $500 or $550, but I would willingly eat my socks if they do it.

 

[Hxx]

Yeah, but this was their CES keynote, their big chance to announce something. Are they gonna come back in a few days saying "by the way..." That'd be so cheap.

No it’s strategic . Hey we have a product it’s awesome we will announce more details later . It’s not like they are selling it at CES. They’re building up the hype that’s what this event is all about. Pricing helps customers start making plans but in this specific case their biggest competitor keynote is coming up so they don’t wanna rush it and have to readjust.

also just stepping back , fukups do happen but these events are planned months ahead entire teams work on this and their job depends on it so it’s not like some dude writing those notes down over the Christmas break . All this is planned . Just something to keep in mind .

My CES reaction it’s always been “ah cool I’ll keep in mind for next time I upgrade” and that’s it lol . I’m not reading too much into these curated speeches

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I'm still going to hope for around $600. And the worst-case pricing still at $800. I cannot see AMD aiming this at $500 or $550, but I would willingly eat my socks if they do it.

The only way it ends up 800 is if Nvidia does a massive price hike and the 5070ti is 1000 and the 5070 is 800 and both are underwhelming on top of that. The only way I can see Nvidia having the balls to ask 1k for the ti is if it comes close to 4090 performance.... with the 5070 beating the 4080 super... Not impossible I just don't think any of the lower tier products will have significant improvements. I mean if it's basically just a slightly worse 4070ti super I doubt they can charge the same for it.... I doubt they will leap frog Nvidia even the 40 series in RT especially in RT heavy games.


They have a long ways to go to catch up.... I see people saying it will have 4080 RT performance. That is a long way to jump even to it's raster equivalent the 4070ti super.... My guess is it will come close to the 4070ti 12GB and even that would be a win compared to where they are at. But even if Nvidia improves this 15-20% per tier they are still going to be way behind again.

 

[Cheeseball]

The only way it ends up 800 is if Nvidia does a massive price hike and the 5070ti is 1000 and the 5070 is 800 and both are underwhelming on top of that. The only way I can see Nvidia having the balls to ask 1k for the ti is if it comes close to 4090 performance.... with the 5070 beating the 4080 super... Not impossible I just don't think any of the lower tier products will have significant improvements. I mean if it's basically just a slightly worse 4070ti super I doubt they can charge the same for it.... I doubt they will leap frog Nvidia even the 40 series in RT especially in RT heavy games.

My guess on that front is that the RTX 5070 Ti will most likely be $900 ($800 is what the RTX 4070 Ti came out at, and the same for the Super variant a year later).

The RTX 5070 coming out at $800 is just disgusting (in a bad way) if they actually do it. The 4070 Super still debuted at $600 a year after its first version so if they price it more than its successor any higher it would not be a good look for that stack.

 

[mouacyk]

It's over 9000.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

My guess on that front is that the RTX 5070 Ti will most likely be $900 ($800 is what the RTX 4070 Ti came out at, and the same for the Super variant a year later).

The RTX 5070 coming out at $800 is just disgusting (in a bad way) if they actually do it. The 4070 Super still debuted at $600 a year later as well so if they price it any higher it would not be a good look for that stack.

I don't see them raising the 5070 at all and it will at least jump 1 tier in performance is my guess.... The 5070ti it depends on how good it is. it would have to clearly beat the 4080 super and even then would
suck at 900-1k.

While I do expect the 5080 and especially the 5090 to be priced insane... I doubt below that will be all that bad..... But it is Nvidia I guess so I guess we will see.

 

[mb194dc]

As we saw today...Tech innovation now mainly involves spamming "AI" as many times as possible at every product presentation. Then price increases and little generational improvement in real life workloads...

We already educated guess and from leaks the 9070xt will be similar to 7900gre, probably with much better RT performance... No doubt its got "AI" upscaling etc etc...

Probably they'll price it the same as the 5070, or maybe 50 bucks less. Or why brand it as 9070? Issue can be if the 5070 is very expensive >700. Then they'll be no price / performance benefits from new gen at all.

 

[Bobaganoosh]

Cool. When?

by March 31st apparently. Seems a bit late to me, but this doesn't really beat the previous gen, just replaces it (with some improvements to RT...), so I guess there's no rush?

 

[gmn17]

I want a 9090 XT

 

[Bobaganoosh]

From their chart, it looks like they're comparing it with the 4070ti, which had an MSRP of $799. I would not be surprised to see this thing land around $750. I'd also be extremely surprised to see Nvidia drop any MSRP's from the previous gen (and pretend the RTX 4080 Super MSRP didn't exist as well) so there's likely no incentive for AMD to pick a price lower than that.

 

[ModEl4]

"The Navi 44, on the other hand, is exactly half of this (128-bit GDDR6, 32 CU)."
If 9070XT has the same raster performance with 7900XT (which the slide doesn't provide exactly much confidence for this scenario, since it placing it at the same level despite all the other advancements Navi 48 has) then even if RX 9600 (Navi 44 based) has 10% higher clocks than 9070XT and the memory is 20Gbps, it will probably be just 5% faster than 6700XT in QHD but i doubt it will clock so high and also the memory probably will be 19Gbps.If RX 9600 has 16GB of memory and this kind of performance (7600XT +17%) i fear that AMD will try to price it at $350 which will be DOA (probably they will have a game selection placing it at the same performance level with RTX 4060Ti 16GB)

 

[Deleted member 190956]

This is pathetic. They didn't even clarify if FSR4 will be compatible with all rdna4 cards or only 9070. They should know this by this point. Is FSR4 even real? All the fanboys in the world screaming how we're... unworthy of a good radeon release won't change the fact that AMD's graphics division is faltering.

 

[JustBenching]

I don't see them raising the 5070 at all and it will at least jump 1 tier in performance is my guess.... The 5070ti it depends on how good it is. it would have to clearly beat the 4080 super and even then would
suck at 900-1k.

While I do expect the 5080 and especially the 5090 to be priced insane... I doubt below that will be all that bad..... But it is Nvidia I guess so I guess we will see.

I'm pretty confident the prices won't be lower than ampere. Maybe the 5080 will land a bit cheaper than the 4080, but even that is highly unlikely. Regarding the 5090, oh boy I can see it at 1.999.

And tbf, the prices are warranted. When there is no other company on the entire planet that can make anything close to competitive with your products..

Was hoping for some good news from the amd camp at ces so I could buy Nvidia for cheaper but whatever, I'll have to pony up

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

They are waiting on Nvidias keynote before announcing pricing and more details .

Yeah, when you know you won’t win, nor how your competition is going to tier out, there’s no way to announce this and not look pretty bad. At best they save face on pricing. Imagine if they price it above the 5070 and it loses by 10%. The shameful price cut comes before the product.

Yeah, but this was their CES keynote, their big chance to announce something. Are they gonna come back in a few days saying "by the way..." That'd be so cheap.

No doubt, but it’s not like anyone really expected a miracle from AMD this round. We knew it wasn’t going to be top-tier performance, so it’s not like they have a winning hand. All they can do is price it convincingly if they can.

 

[Cheeseball]

I don't see them raising the 5070 at all and it will at least jump 1 tier in performance is my guess.... The 5070ti it depends on how good it is. it would have to clearly beat the 4080 super and even then would
suck at 900-1k.

While I do expect the 5080 and especially the 5090 to be priced insane... I doubt below that will be all that bad..... But it is Nvidia I guess so I guess we will see.

I will also eat my used shorts (no skidmarks here folks) if the RTX 5090 debuts at $1799. That would (technically) be fair pricing for a 32 GB GDDR7 monster.

RTX 5080 is hard to guess since the previous Super did come out at $1000 (so NVIDIA made themselves look "generous" ) but the predecessor was $1200. I would be surprised as hell if they do $1000 again.

 

[Darc Requiem]

Let's not call things low end, most gamers on Steam are still on 1080p. If people had 7800xt levels of performance as a norm games would be optimized to look a lot better.

It's absurd for Nvidia to try to normalize massive price increases, this must be resisted

Yeah people on Steam are rocking RX 580s, 1650s, and even 1060s. Sometimes enthusiasts lose sight of what the average PC gamer has for a GPU.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

It just saddens me to see no competition. XTX is like 23% slower than 4090 in 4K. Now add at least additional 30% for 5090 and you're at XTX being 50% slower. Can AMD really make a comeback next gen? They'd need like 70-80% faster GPU than XTX in order to compete with 6090, while Nvidia will only need to add additional 20-30% on top of 5090 to beat them again. Sad days for dGPU market and our wallets