gpu heirarchy/performance/benchmarks- whos lying?

[inquisitor1]

He fails to understand that, while the video cards themselves don't change once manufactured, their performance does indeed alter over time. Software released in 2016 is optimized for the cards available then, and quite differently than the software released in 2025. I rather doubt TPU retests every card in their database whenever a new one is released; quite obviously retesting old cards against modern software is going to result in disparities.

youre trying to find irrelevant excuses for the issue with tom, the cards or the tests. the 2 cards mentioned are 1.5 years between them. the benchmarks were done when they were done, not now. your point is irrelevant

As long as they appeal to one's personal biases, yes.



You're only making things worse. They aren't even remotely on the same tier, there are some tasks where the 1080 Ti is faster, perhaps even sizably faster - there are many others, which are more prevalent today where the RTX 2070 will crap on the 1080 Ti from such a height, it'd think God himself took a dump on it. And that doesn't necessarily matter, given they are both equally obsolete.



I don't necessarily agree with the editorial behind Tom's nowadays, and I especially dislike the publisher that owns the website (I'll never forgive them for turning PC Gamer into the Party rag), but I don't think they're (as in, the people behind Tom's Hardware) to be even remotely close to the realm of being "false" and "untrustworthy" just yet. Let it go. A recommendation on telling 2070 over 1080 Ti is understandable from many angles and generally, not incorrect.

Now I have to bring into question: why on God's green Earth are you so peeved about what's basically ancient history by now? You shouldn't buy a 1080 Ti and you shouldn't buy a 2070. I kind of understand a Titan RTX on the cheap? Since it's got 24 GB and all. Anything else, 2080 Ti included, there are far better options on the market today for your hard earned money.

to me, what you say isnt relevant.

and what I buy is my business, your opinion on my buying is not relevant at all

 

[Onasi]

This thread is top tier ragebait, but I am not sure for whom exactly. Tom’s is obviously technically wrong if their hierarchy is based on the tests done when the cards were released. The 2070 lost to the 1080Ti then. It’s also technically correct if we are talking modern day titles running on same cards - Pascal falls off due to not supporting DX 12_2 and I would guess (unsubstantiated as the guess is) that the 2070 is actually ahead in TODAYS games.
More to the point - this is something that only someone who is bored out of their mind would even care about.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

This thread is top tier ragebait, but I am not sure for whom exactly. Tom’s is obviously technically wrong if their hierarchy is based on the tests done when the cards were released. The 2070 lost to the 1080Ti then. It’s also technically correct if we are talking modern day titles running on same cards - Pascal falls off due to not supporting DX 12_2 and I would guess (unsubstantiated as the guess is) that the 2070 is actually ahead in TODAYS games.
More to the point - this is something that only someone who is bored out of their mind would even care about.

Oh, in the very first post, he's trying to choose 1080ti or 2070 to replace a 1070 and can't figure out which card is better. Though both are better.

But before that, it's just a randomized complaint without an actual objective.

Of course a 1080ti is faster than a 2070. By easy 20%. Both are faster than a 1070 though.

Maybe a 4060 ti would be a better pupurchase. I mean just because it's like 30% faster than a 1080 ti, not for price to performance comparisons.

 

[inquisitor1]

point - this is something that only someone who is bored out of their mind would even care about.

you read 3 pages.. maybe skimmed over maybe read, but 3 pages' so youre bored as well. posting your comment on a "ragebait" doesnt make you superior since you took the "bait".

those tests all were done when the cards were released and it depends which newer games were talking about but the 1080 ti beats the 2070 pretty much with all newer games too.

the whole which card is better between 1080ti/2070 is the small part. you know my point. legit sites like tpu or shetty shill untrustworthy sites like tomshardware

 

[dirtyferret]

How hard is it to understand that cards perform differently depending on the games they are tested on. Jared has been testing forever and I assure you that he knows more about benchmarking GPUs than you at the very least.

not only that but when you look at other reviews from sites like TPU, DF, and techspot you see the RTX2070 performs similar to or slightly better than the 1080 in those specific games. Probably why people should actually research potential GPU purchases as they pertains to the games they play/plan to play in terms of performance.

 

[inquisitor1]

Oh, in the very first post, he's trying to choose 1080ti or 2070 to replace a 1070 and can't figure out which card is better. Though both are better.

But before that, it's just a randomized complaint without an actual objective.

Of course a 1080ti is faster than a 2070. By easy 20%. Both are faster than a 1070 though.

Maybe a 4060 ti would be a better pupurchase. I mean just because it's like 30% faster than a 1080 ti, not for price to performance comparisons.

you are partly correct. 1080ti or 2070 were in question based on classifieds sales I was looking at. I was looking to replace the rx590. the 1070 will move to that pc and 1080ti /2070 will be for a backup pc for image editing. so I go see performances between them. noticed all websites except toms consistently show gpu heirarchy not true at all. 1070 is for a childs pc its fine. non of the models are relevant to the main issue

tpu anandtech, bench sites and all yt videos show 1080ti besting 2070 all the time in all comparisons but then noticed not only these on tomshardware but a few more that they rank higher when the card isnt
. see the toms link above

I dont know about 20% but 10% ill say.

not only that but when you look at other reviews from sites like TPU, DF, and techspot you see the RTX2070 performs similar to or slightly better than the 1080 in those specific games. Probably why people should actually research potential GPU purchases as they pertains to the games they play/plan to play in terms of performance.

1080ti vs 2070 not 1080. theres no comparison between them. maybe the odd game the 2070 may come close but 95% 1080ti wins and isnt the main point of my post but tomshardware showing quite a few gpu ranked higher on the list even though they dont perform better by the scores they show

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388-2.html unreliable list.

but the lie they show of the 2070 showing higher scores in their list shows they are unreliable and biased. the 2070 is not better then the 1080ti. maybe a newer game perhaps but even then I doubt better but maybe as good. maybe

 

[dirtyferret]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388-2.html unreliable list.

but the lie they show of the 2070 showing higher scores in their list shows they are unreliable and biased. the 2070 is not better then the 1080ti. maybe a newer game perhaps but even then I doubt better but maybe as good. maybe

1 - it's not unreliable since other sites show similar results in their specific game tests including the one you are posting on
2 - hard to even called it biased since both cards are from nvidia
3 - it is lacking in-depth results compared to their newer test suites along with other web sites test suites
4 - why don't you go and post this ragegasm on Tom's forum since it's their list and that forum loves all kinds of fan boy nonsense plus you would rid this forum of this stupidity

 

[Scattergrunt]

TPU is telling the truth.* Always.

* To the best of their abilities with as much honesty as is allowed, because not everything is always an exact truth.
I think TPU's assessment of the cards overall is fair though.

The 1080Ti is probably the better buy; but honestly benchmarks will vary, and some people will recommend a 2070 over a 1080Ti for the features it has over a 1080Ti.
Just because one benchmark site shows one thing that doesn't align with original opinion doesn't necessarily mean its 'lying', it just means they either have a different testing methodology.

1080ti vs 2070 not 1080. theres no comparison between them. maybe the odd game the 2070 may come close but 95% 1080ti wins and isnt the main point of my post but tomshardware showing quite a few gpu ranked higher on the list even though they dont perform better by the scores they show

To be fair, they could be valuing features or value which could explain a lot of it. RX 6800 is definitely nowhere near a RTX 3080. But I don't think that's what they're trying to say. Later on, they show this.

This is more accurate (even if I think its rather skewed, still, they shouldn't be that close together remotely), and its pretty clear that you shouldn't take their hierarchy graphic super seriously, and it seems more based on generation first before actual performance.

They don't go into a lot of detail about their testing suite either. They explain some of it (they 'warm up' their cards, retest cards for anomalies if they're within a narrow range of each other, etc) but otherwise don't elaborate much. There's also missing cards, which to be fair, the 50 series and RX 9000 series have had poor availability, and its understandable. Though the CPU choice is odd, but valid enough.

Their results are mostly.. fine. But just weird. I wouldn't say they're 100% reliable, but to say they're outright lying is a stretch. Maybe they just have a flawed testing methodology, or a testing methodology that doesn't fit your needs. (and considering you mentioned image editing, this seems likely), you should probably just focus on benchmarks related to software. A lot of the benchmarks you have been showing have been related to Gaming (at least as far as I've read anyway)

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388-2.html unreliable list.

but the lie they show of the 2070 showing higher scores in their list shows they are unreliable and biased. the 2070 is not better then the 1080ti. maybe a newer game perhaps but even then I doubt better but maybe as good. maybe

You've been offered many explanations and ideas to the what and hows. Take them as you will, but at worst, in my personal opinion, toms hardware is misrepresenting stuff. Not necessarily lying. I don't use their stuff for benchmark details anyway.

Why don't you just go to their forums and ask how their graphs are done? Since it seems a lot of your confusion / anger / kami knows what stems from that hierarchy graphic where all the generations of GPU's are laid out, and that's pretty fair.

 

[Onasi]

you read 3 pages.. maybe skimmed over maybe read, but 3 pages' so youre bored as well. posting your comment on a "ragebait" doesnt make you superior since you took the "bait".

I am bored, yeah, thanks for asking. Finished with work and scrolling through TPU to fight said boredom instead of going for a smoke. Trying to quit, y’see. So hey, I guess I can update your thread from “ragebait” to “nicotine cessation aid”. Better?

those tests all were done when the cards were released and it depends which newer games were talking about but the 1080 ti beats the 2070 pretty much with all newer games too

Any actual proof of that? Not being snarky either, I just haven’t seen anyone actually testing modern DX12 Ultimate games on cards that old. Closest I can see is this:

Cyberpunk 2077 Benchmark Test & Performance Review

Cyberpunk 2077 is one of the best open-world RPGs ever. In our performance article, we're taking a closer look at the hardware requirements, using 22 modern graphics cards. We also have tons of screenshots and a side-by-side image comparison for raytracing and DLSS quality.

www.techpowerup.com

Surpise-surprise, the 1080Ti is slower across the board.

the whole which card is better between 1080ti/2070 is the small part. you know my point. legit sites like tpu or shetty shill untrustworthy sites like tomshardware

There is no point. Whether or not the 1080Ti or 2070 is faster is academic. The crux of your thread is that you want to address Tom’s low journalistic standards and poor integrity by… complaining about that on TPU forums. Which is patently ridiculous and borderline batshit insane, hence the ridicule you are getting.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

I am bored, yeah, thanks for asking. Finished with work and scrolling through TPU to fight said boredom instead of going for a smoke. Trying to quit, y’see. So hey, I guess I can update your thread from “ragebait” to “nicotine cessation aid”. Better?


Any actual proof of that? Not being snarky either, I just haven’t seen anyone actually testing modern DX12 Ultimate games on cards that old. Closest I can see is this:

Cyberpunk 2077 Benchmark Test & Performance Review

Cyberpunk 2077 is one of the best open-world RPGs ever. In our performance article, we're taking a closer look at the hardware requirements, using 22 modern graphics cards. We also have tons of screenshots and a side-by-side image comparison for raytracing and DLSS quality.

www.techpowerup.com

Surpise-surprise, the 1080Ti is slower across the board.


There is no point. Whether or not the 1080Ti or 2070 is faster is academic. The crux of your thread is that you want to address Tom’s low journalistic standards and poor integrity by… complaining about that on TPU forums. Which is patently ridiculous and borderline batshit insane, hence the ridicule you are getting.

As if Tom's hasn't been bias for 1.5 decades or more. This, by now, is common knowledge.

 

[Scattergrunt]

This thread is top tier ragebait, but I am not sure for whom exactly. Tom’s is obviously technically wrong if their hierarchy is based on the tests done when the cards were released. The 2070 lost to the 1080Ti then. It’s also technically correct if we are talking modern day titles running on same cards - Pascal falls off due to not supporting DX 12_2 and I would guess (unsubstantiated as the guess is) that the 2070 is actually ahead in TODAYS games.
More to the point - this is something that only someone who is bored out of their mind would even care about.

I don't think its supposed to be ragebaity but it certainly turned INTO ragebaity territory. I get what inquisitor is trying to get at even if I don't agree with them entirely.. we can call Tom's hardware out for stuff, but lets not outright say they're lying.. I mean, at least they're not technical city (which technical city even then are okay, just don't ever use them to compare GPU's, because it doesn't take long for you to see where the holes in their methodology start.)

Good. More realistically about 5% difference but, its fine. Close enough comparison. Like this is pretty fair, even if this isn't really about gaming benchmarks though (hence why the 7800X3D is only so far up, and the 14900KS beats it for gaming, but overall, from a purely synthetic standpoint it checks out realistically enough.)

Bad. Very bad. If you look at how they benchmark their stuff, there is a multitude of reasons that explain this.

I'm kinda getting off topic but my point is that while I would agree Tom's Hardware is weird, to say they're outright lying is just.. eh? I wouldn't use Tom's Hardware, but they're like, middle class of bad benchmarks to follow. They're not comparable to Technical City in levels of bullshit.

Tom's Hardware editorial are weird.

As if Tom's hasn't been bias for 1.5 decades or more. This, by now, is common knowledge.

Yes, bias. That's more accurate way to descirbe it tbh.

 

[inquisitor1]

1 - it's not unreliable since other sites show similar results in their specific game tests including the one you are posting one
2 - hard to even called it biased since both cards are from nvidia
3 - it is lacking in-depth results compared to their newer test suites along with other web sites test suites
4 - why don't you go and post this ragegasm on Tom's forum since it's their list and that forum loves all kinds of fan boy nonsense plus you would rid this forum of this stupidity

links that show the 2070 as performing better? post them here. for every 1 you maybe show 5 will show the opposite. everyone know the 1080ti beats the 2070 and Ill bet even with new games.. those tests were not redone that are shown on sites

I support TPU , I dont post to trash sites. I just used TOMS list for info thinking THEY at least were legit. nope. also, their forum layout is ugly and primitve. TPU is far superior. toms looks like it did in the 2010' and why do you care about toms. I can say to you, if you care so much then go post there. you certainly care to post here. see how I can spin it back? even toms review layout is so ugly and primitive aesthetics wise. looks like from 2010

when youll learn about advertising youll understand why its bias and why their agenda is to push newer cards. its about small details. how you list things makes a differemce for sales. add affiliate links as they do too. its bias for sure. its bias for new cards. thats the narrative. push newer cards. many people who look at the list dont understand but see card a is better then b then lets get a. there are a lot of younger folks who dont know.

As if Tom's hasn't been bias for 1.5 decades or more. This, by now, is common knowledge.

good. finall soomeone honest. thank you. also an ugly websites aesthetics wide.

 

[Scattergrunt]

when youll learn about advertising youll understand why its bias and why their agenda is to push newer cards. its about small details. how you list things makes a differemce for sales. add affiliate links as they do too. its bias for sure. its bias for new cards. thats the narrative. push newer cards. many people who look at the list dont understand but see card a is better then b then lets get a. there are a lot of younger folks who dont know.

... Because people are definitely buying 2070's and 1080Ti's for new on E-retailers today? What? Only a idiot would do that, if they can even buy them. You are probably only finding those used. Which even then, a used buyer will probably value the 1080Ti more for its vram, maybe wont buy it for the fact its slower in the NEWEST of games (due to lacking DX 12_2 support), and rightfully so, speaking from personal experience.

Sure, call it bias, I'm okay with that, better than saying they're lying, but I think what T-H is doing is pretty inoffensive. I certainly don't agree with them, I certainly will steer people away from them, but there is so much worse out there. Like technical city.

 

[inquisitor1]

Yes, bias. That's more accurate way to descirbe it tbh.

thank you for your rationale post. very appreciated.

... Because people are definitely buying 2070's and 1080Ti's for new on E-retailers today? What? Only a idiot would do that, if they can even buy them. You are probably only finding those used. Which even then, a used buyer will probably value the 1080Ti more for its vram, maybe wont buy it for the fact its slower in the NEWEST of games (due to lacking DX 12_2 support), and rightfully so, speaking from personal experience.

Sure, call it bias, I'm okay with that, better than saying they're lying, but I think what T-H is doing is pretty inoffensive. I certainly don't agree with them, I certainly will steer people away from them, but there is so much worse out there. Like technical city.

you may not understand why somone may not want to buy a newer card but is it so hard looking at the currenmt gpu market and the thievery of the current state , you should be able to easily see why. also fpor what I buy it makes more sense. for picture editing or playing older games. Im not a gamer by any standard of the word. im playing mirrors edge stray and gta4 now. and at times im only playing a few minutes a day. I dont confomr I dont run after trends I dont follow and certainly hype or influemcers has 0% effect on me. I do my own thing. always. I laugh in the face when people say dont buy this its old. I laugh my asz off

 

[Scattergrunt]

you may not understand why somone may not want to buy a newer card but is it so hard looking at the currenmt gpu market and the thievery of the current state , you should be able to easily see why. also fpor what I buy it makes more sense. for picture editing or playing older games. Im not a gamer by any standard of the word. im playing mirrors edge stray and gta4 now. and at times im only playing a few minutes a day. I dont confomr I dont run after trends I dont follow and certainly hype or influemcers has 0% effect on me. I do my own thing. always. I laugh in the face when people say dont buy this its old. I laugh my asz off

Oh I certainly get it. Most of my hardware I buy is used or open box, besides the essential stuff. I am also pretty outspoken against the current state of the market but I'm not gonna pretend there isn't anything good to it (the 9070 series has been pretty good, with marginally better stock than NVIDIA at least, though it isn't perfect, just as an example.) If you get a good eye for spotting good deals, and safe deals, it can be very lucrative.

In your case, I'd probably just look for benchmarks which suit more your needs. What image editing software do you use? Adobe? Paint.net? GImp? Affinity Photo? Etc. Start there. Though I'd bet my money that the 1080Ti would be better because of it having more cores and VRAM. (Even a 3060 is fine for photo editing, so you should be fine with either choice.) I'm pretty sure there is a argument for the 2070 though.. somewhere. I'm not as familiar with software. My 2080S does fine with Paint.net, which is not that optimized, so I think a 1080Ti / 2070 should be fine.

 

[AleXXX666]

You mean those fake youtube videos where they have all videocards available and show "benchmarks"?

do you really think a youtuber has access to so many videocards and processors and mainboards? And all the time for such benchmarks?

-- I miss userbenchmark in your list of not reliable information source for benchmarks. +yt-videos +cpu-monkey


I wrote the comment for those who are new to this topic. Also consider how much you get for a youtube-video and what all the parts are costs. That business modell does not work.

-- i would consider that yt-channel / website more on the trustworthy side

I remember they compared it. You also see quite often in their videos -tehy have the hardware. It does not really matter that the article is 1 year old. You are into retro gaming anyway with a 1000 nvidia gpu.

The Greatest GPU of All Time: NVIDIA GTX 1080 Ti & GTX 1080 2024 Revisit & History | GamersNexus

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there are lots of youtubers. some of them are "technobloggers" or "wannabe" at least. the ones who SHOW their FACE. Not just channels which put random no-cr "tunes" and put some "graphs". these are pretty maybe fake ones. but the bloggers could have lots of gpus & time - their subz could send them cards, manufacturers & shops could be sponsors and also give HW for testing...

 

[inquisitor1]

there are lots of youtubers. some of them are "technobloggers" or "wannabe" at least. the ones who SHOW their FACE. Not just channels which put random no-cr "tunes" and put some "graphs". these are pretty maybe fake ones. but the bloggers could have lots of gpus & time - their subz could send them cards, manufacturers & shops could be sponsors and also give HW for testing...

thats a good idea. unfortunately I noticed the whole industry just turn to greed and deception. more and more I see is anti user/client actions

Ive never seen distance and animosity between the users/buyers to companies grow so big before. its a disgusting situation we are at. lots of scammers and milking users. newegg asus nzxt etc

 

[io-waiter]

Tom’s hardware was fine while it was sysdoc .pair.com, then it started to slide

The hard truth here however is that there is no binary good/bad, better/worse.

The Turing series bring dlss to the table and for that generation it has been a solid boost for longevity, the rest depends on use case and expectations. I vote for the 2070 being the better buy, unless my use case would benefit from the 1080ti vram and cores. But I would probably strongly encourage a 4060 for anyone asking me to choose between those two cards

 

[Vayra86]

sorry but yt videos show fps far more the 7% . no disrespect to you but well disagree and not relevant. my point is toms site lying but now I can confirm it

tpus charts is lacking gpus in the graphs so not relevant either. toms percentage list is easier to go back and forth quickly to compare. go from 980ti to2080ti to 4080 as compaison. with all due respect to tpu. too much clicking for fast comparisons but toms site is innacurate and is now out. gpumonkey technicalcity and yt videos now. I wish tpu would have a list like tom did but just % is enough

Mate, you cannot cross compare bench sites and lists based on averages like that.
You're applying high levels of detailed expectations on a comparison between two specific GPUs, to a large-numbers based list of totals for ALL GPUs.

That's like trying to find the perfect car by looking at a 'Best Cars in the world 1990-2025' list. Good luck with that.

Some advice if you want to stay sane
- Ignore Youtube - quite simply just don't even search on it, nor click on it. It is not a good source, end of story. There are a handful of rare exceptions, like GN, for credible benches. But even there: its television, subject to change and popularity contest, beware. Did you ever use the television in the past, for purchase advice? As far as I can remember, TV was always suspect because someone's broadcasting to make money, and its a contest of trying to scream loudest so you zap to said channel. Youtube is no different - and the popularity contest is 10x worse.

- Pick a website that has written reviews that you prefer, look at the testing methodology and whether it makes sense.
- Stick to said website for any comparisons/purchase info if you want to buy or compare.

Everything else is bullshit. This is why I stick to TPU. No real added value in comparing to a half dozen others.