Microsoft Forces Automatic Windows 11 24H2 Update on Pro and Home PCs

[MCJAxolotl7]

I gave up windows about 2 years ago, when I saw the LTT Linux Challenge series, and I tried it for a week, then was like, "This is better, I'll just format the other partition". Now, a Linux user, happy as ever, running games on steam and everything else. So, thankfully, I don't need to worry about this

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Yeah been using win11 since December 2023, i also installed 24h2 on release day, no issues, seems people just like pissing on win11 just because, for me it's a better experience overall.

Congratulations, your medal is coming in the mail.


Meanwhile, your experience =! all experiences. Other people ARE having problems, you should try listening to them.

 

[Aquinus]

oh good ppl of earth.. JUST USE LINUX !!

Are you assuming what people do with their computers? You say that like people who use Windows, use it exclusively. My daily driver is a Mac and my tower dual boots between Ubuntu 24.04 LTS and Windows 11.

I gave up windows about 2 years ago, when I saw the LTT Linux Challenge series, and I tried it for a week, then was like, "This is better, I'll just format the other partition". Now, a Linux user, happy as ever, running games on steam and everything else. So, thankfully, I don't need to worry about this

I would say that for 90% of things, I'm perfectly content with Ubuntu. On the Mac, I find the alternatives to Apple Photos and Adobe Lightroom Classic to be lacking, which is why I don't do any of my photo editing in Linux or Windows. Most of the games I play will run in Linux and Windows, but it usually turns into a slog if I have to leave Steam and Proton. All in all, if I want a Windows native game to just work, I'll just run Windows, but that's about the only reason why I use it.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Just because you have issues, doesn't mean everyone has issues

Counterpoint: just because you dont have issues doesnt mean everyone else doesn't have issues.

Why would anyone NOT be updated to 24H2 by now, in improved performance on my PC across the board. 25H2 is around the corner what is the hold up here.

24H2 was severely buggy when it came out, and it's forced rollout has been delayed several times. My work machine is open to the internet and has yet to install the 24h2 update.

MS screwed the pooch.

 

[Aquinus]

Counterpoint: just because you dont have issues doesnt mean everyone else doesn't have issues.

Instead of finger pointing, something like a poll would be more productive. I personally haven't experienced any issues, but I'd be curious to know how widespread these issues actually are. That way you can let the numbers speak for themselves.

 

[AleXXX666]

The thing is, Windows 11 gets worse over time, not better. Even feature updates do break basic things that worked before.
At work, we're experiencing serious problems with USB to LAN Realtek network cards (chipset 8153) since several computers were forced to update from 23H2 to 24H2.
Already updated drivers from Realtek on all machines. No problems before update and no problems on machines that are still on Win10.

COME ON, to EVERYONE:
TARGET VERSION, TARGET VERSION INFO put whatever you have RN 21H2, 22H2 or 23H2 and MS go f..k yourself with ya stupid 24H2 crap!
https://www.elevenforum.com/t/specify-target-feature-update-version-in-windows-11.3811/

 

[LittleBro]

Yeah, hurry up everyone!

 

[W3RN3R]

Congratulations, your medal is coming in the mail.


Meanwhile, your experience =! all experiences. Other people ARE having problems, you should try listening to them.

Good god what a typical childish response, i did say MY experience... Oh boy.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

We do have a Windows 11 pc in the house (my wife’s laptop), and the telemetry has got to be very lacking for MS, as it barely ever gets used. My kids do typing lessons on it, and my son is doing a “learning Python” book on it. That’s basically it. The iPads in our house get more use by a light year. That’s been MS’s problem for a long time now, IMO—mobile devices are the go-to now. Outside of gaming, the average use cases are pretty much replaced by other devices. I think this is why Windows has become what it is now. No one will pay for upgrades, so money is made in the telemetry and services.

 

[Heiro78]

my refurbished notebook which was bought maybe in past two months has a broken windows 11 pro 24h2 installation. Past 3 updates can not be installed, although it is on 24h2.
I plan to reinstall that lenovo notebook with standardised, common ryzen 4650u processor and standard components soon.

I expect lots of topics and news after this forced update. too bad it's not 1st of april regarding this news piece.

BTW, same update packages install flawless, same binaries, "fake" offline installer packages, install flawless without hassle on this desktop "gaming" only windows 11 pro. The installation dates back to may 2023.

The same was going on with my 2023 desktop. It ended up installing properly after a system reset I did for unrelated reasons. It was annoying having the regular restarts where the update continued to fail

 

[maxli86]

Here we go again with the same old _____ Microsoft been doing.
Last time was Windows 10 force update for Windows 7 and 8.1.
Ended some PC especially older hardware breaking down especially older GPUs.
Now MS is doing the same thing again for Windows 11 without realizing
they will break a lot of people PCs.
The thing I notice for upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11 is that both these OS are vastly different.
That is one issue the second will be drivers, all the drivers may be replace when Windows 11 is upgraded.
On PCs that even if upgrade goes through, there will be a black screen with cursor.
This is a issue with the system drivers so PC having such issue best have to do a clean install.
Microsoft themselves repeating the same mistake with Win 10 and now Win 11.
I won't surprise more and more people complain about their PC broke due to the force update.

 

[chrcoluk]

MS throwing a tantrum the same they did on the Win7 hold outs.
Although I do plan to upgrade this PC some time this year, happy with 10, but at some point vendor support will be dropped.

 

[DaemonForce]

Now MS is doing the same thing again for Windows 11 without realizing
they will break a lot of people PCs.

Oh no, they know full well what they're doing. Name of the mission is cost everyone MONEY.

The thing I notice for upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11 is that both these OS are vastly different.
That is one issue the second will be drivers, all the drivers may be replace when Windows 11 is upgraded.

The driver model may be a huge issue later on but I haven't noticed any issues yet.
Seems like something very dependent on the age of hardware. Still not sure.
The most glaring problem has been navigation. Not friendly towards creators or normies.
For devs and pros it's a nightmare. There should be a way to toggle the "simple" modes off.

 

[Caring1]

The fact that you have to take the extra step to do this on an operating system that you pay for is beyond fucked up. Not to mention everything else I said.

You are paying for the right to use their software, you don't own it.

 

[wheresmycar]

Your last sentence just doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, it has these significant issues, some of which are directly user-hostile, but it's still great?

Then you're more easy-going then some of us. The antics microsoft has pulled really make for some angry people. Sure, they can try to claim it's their software. But we pay for it and it's installed on OUR PC's. It our software too and they think we have no rights.

I should have articulated that more clearly. When I said 'its been great,' I meant that I haven’t encountered any major technical issues in terms of using the operating system, its been smooth-sailing for me since Win 95/98 all the way through to Windows 11. Except the recent: Post #53

Repeating from the previous post: "I get it, forced updates, bloat, privacy concerns, resource hog, etc etc... i don't like it either."

In short, undoubtedly, the negatives absolutely take the shine off an otherwise solid OS. I’m just too deeply invested in Windows, with everything from trading and accounting apps to tailored business management solutions, POS systems, other proprietary systems, to seriously consider switching OS. That said, I have full respect for Linux and can't knock it one bit without firsthand experience but the learning curve, feature gaps and lack of support for the tools I’m used to or the hassle of replacing them are enough to keep me on the sidelines for now.

Anyway, how much does M$ pay you?

Not enough apparently ... still waiting for the yacht, private island and Scala Johansson in a silk robe handing me tea under the sun like its just another Tuesday. I just need one more subscriber and i've made it!

 

[AusWolf]

You are paying for the right to use their software, you don't own it.

That's not a very valuable right at all these days - especially when you can get much better software for free.

 

[Wasteland]

Well, good luck with your parents for Linux. I don't know if your parents isn't getting forced to use Linux by you

For a typical "I'm tech support for my parents" use case, a distro like Linux Mint absolutely annihilates Windows, tbh. It's more user friendly; it's rock-solid stable; and everything your stereotypical "parent" might want to run is available in the GUI app store. You don't have to surf to random web sites to download executables. You basically never have to think about drivers. Major version updates are only required every five years.

It's the intermediate user, what you might call the "casual power user" or "gamer" class of user, that typically experiences annoyances on Linux. And even there the gap closes by the day. Unless you're married to a specific piece of software that absolutely requires Windows (e.g. Adobe software, or a driver for some niche piece of hardware), or to competitive multiplayer games, there's very little disadvantage to using Linux in the year of our Lord 2025.

 

[johnnypop]

Well I guess investment in licence for win 10 iot enterprise LTSC 2021 was a good idea, control, stability, and still many years of support, together NTlite winreducer and spybot anti beacon monitor, works well, but customised windows isn't for everyone, and I had stopped the cumulative updates as they started rolling out in them crap for a while now, I guess they will have to start breaking 10 as well to force people to update to 11 but then 11 should get better not as it is now, honestly I will be considering linux and never planning to move to 11, I'm kinda glad that 11 doesn't bring nothing new for me there and all the software and games work perfect on the old iot enterprise LTSC 2021

Did you debloat it? After debloating and slimming down, it's really good.

I have tried on multiple occasions and on different versions including LTSC 11.
So sorry to disappoint but there is something more seriously wrong with 11 than just updates, and I have been using slimmed down systems since XP can't stand out of the box editions, and if I have to use windows it is old 10 iot enterprise LTSC 2021 NTlited winreducer and few other tweaks and it works, it was worth investing in 10 iot enterprise LTSC 2021, but still I believe linux is the future.

 

[_roman_]

People are unwilling to read or to learn something new. Microsoft can do anything at the end of the day.

Too bad there is not really any non Windows 11 Pro Hardware I'd like to buy second hand. It's dated cheap, old e-waste.

I talked a few hours ago. People are just going in the next shop to buy the next cheap windows 11 garbage computer. Too lazy to read - pay money for new is the way to go.

 

[lexluthermiester]

So sorry to disappoint but there is something more seriously wrong with 11

No there isn't. I've been using it and debloating since the early beta days in May 2021. It's got a few challenges, but so did 10(still does). For those willing to make the effort to debloat and customize, Windows 11 is delightful, and this is coming from a Windows 7 diehard.

You have to put the right kind of effort in, just like with Windows 10. IMPO, Windows 11 is a solid improvement over 10. I would sooner, and easily, go back to Windows 7 then to go back to 10.

but still I believe linux is the future.

On mobile, Linux is the present(Android is Linux). On desktop? Maybe. People have been saying that for decades and yet here we are..

 

[johnnypop]

No there isn't. I've been using it and debloating since the early beta days in May 2021. It's got a few challenges, but so did 10(still does). For those willing to make the effort to debloat and customize, Windows 11 is delightful, and this is coming from a Windows 7 diehard.

You have to put the right kind of effort in, just like with Windows 10. IMPO, Windows 11 is a solid improvement over 10. I would sooner, and easily, go back to Windows 7 then to go back to 10.


On mobile, Linux is the present(Android is Linux). On desktop? Maybe. People have been saying that for decades and yet here we are..

One of the issues with slimming 11 that I have is too many dependencies and this restricts me from achieving what I need. I have been debloating for decades and 11 is the most stubborn system. If it works for you that's great, I guess this also depends on how much you need to debloat. So I have given up after trying LTSC 11
On the other hand 10 iot enterprise LTSC 2021 works very very well on my hardware and it's the first system I don't regret paying for.
As for linux, fair point but by seeing how things go we might be there sooner than later.

 

[lexluthermiester]

One of the issues with slimming 11 that I have is too many dependencies and this restricts me from achieving what I need.

There are always ways around such limitations. However, you not wrong. There are somethings one has to do without to achieve a proper debloat and "slimming" as you put it(I kinda like that way of putting it).

I have been debloating for decades and 11 is the most stubborn system.

Kinda, sorta. In the early days it was a bit difficult. Today not at all, it's very easy with the right methods/tools.

I guess this also depends on how much you need to debloat.

I don't use the Windows Store at all. I've only ever used it a few times and it's just not for me. I really do not like the way it's run. So for my removing anything I don't want(which is a lot) is how far I go.

On the other hand 10 iot enterprise LTSC 2021 works very very well on my hardware and it's the first system I don't regret paying for.

And that's a thing. I was using 10 LTSB/LTSC for a while before 11 came out. Hated it, but it worked.

As for linux, fair point but by seeing how things go we might be there sooner than later.

Credit where it's due, Linux is picking up momentum.

 

[LittleBro]

No there isn't. I've been using it and debloating since the early beta days in May 2021. It's got a few challenges, but so did 10(still does). For those willing to make the effort to debloat and customize, Windows 11 is delightful, and this is coming from a Windows 7 diehard.

You have to put the right kind of effort in, just like with Windows 10. IMPO, Windows 11 is a solid improvement over 10. I would sooner, and easily, go back to Windows 7 then to go back to 10.

That's it. Windows 11 actually requires more tweaking than Linux.
What's even worse is that M$ keeps bringing ever more bloatware to Windows 11.
Then, when you finally debloat 23H2, it updates to 24H2, breaks plenty of things and adds another bloatware.
Sometimes settings get changed by update without notice. I really hate that on machines with Win11 at work.

I kind of admire your willingness to cope with Windows 11 with everything what it takes.
It requires so much time, energy. Personally, I'd not invest that much time into that piece of shit OS.

 

[lexluthermiester]

That's it. Windows 11 actually requires more tweaking than Linux.

Sadly, yeah it does. Pathetic isn't it?

I kind of admire your willingness to cope with Windows 11 with everything what it takes.

Oh, trust me, IF I didn't need Windows for a lot of what I do, I would have permanently ditched it a long time ago.

It requires so much time, energy. Personally, I'd not invest that much time into that piece of shit OS.

Actually, it's not as bad as it was when 11 first came out and it's not as bad as 10 still is.

 

[AusWolf]

Sadly, yeah it does. Pathetic isn't it?

Amidst counting their money, and thinking how to make more, Microsoft has forgotten that an operating system has one job: to run programs. Less is more. That's where Linux comes in.