Microsoft Forces Automatic Windows 11 24H2 Update on Pro and Home PCs

[Steevo]

didn't want to admit it but i use a custom lite version iso of both windows 10 & 11, it has most of the crap removed. RAM usage is a bit on the higher side and sometimes randomly windows modules installer becomes active in background which i found pretty annoying.

You can use the gpedit to disable updates or regedit.

How to disable windows automatic update from internet. - Microsoft Q&A

We are using WSUS server for managing windows update. WSUS is working fine. When we allow internet for client computer, then client computer (windows 10, 11) are getting automatic update from internet and some client computer upgrade automatically from…

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[tsunami2311]

well unless they are forcing the updates now on "unsupported" cpu like my 6700k or bypassing the whole 180 delay before "feature" updates are offered. I dont have to worry about this still I actual bother install it my self or I get a NVME drive, which ever comes first.

It guarantees a class-action lawsuit against them if users cannot stay on Windows 11 23H2, the last version that supports Windows Mixed Reality...

It's illegal to disable a product or means of using it, after it's been physically bought.

pretty sure sony did this with ps3 when the remove linux support from it, pretty sure they where brought to court to for class action but still got away with it. if sony can get away with so can MS I mean MS has got away with alot things and still is, Still not sure how Windows has brought MS court for monopoly

 

[wheresmycar]

When updating to 24H2 from previous version, i noticed performance drops in some games and as others have reported - some update installation failures. Luckily no crashes. Did some light troubleshooting, lost interest and opted for a clean install.

Hope the upcoming update is not going to be a repeat of the previous experience. Not entirely confident with this one. During the last major updates of Windows 10, I encountered similar issues, often involving 0x8 installation errors. My assumption being - almost 10-yr old system without re-installs, shit happens. I didn’t expect the same issue to show up on a fresh, clean Windows 11 install, especially on a build thats barely a year old.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I love manjaro and mint so much!

pretty sure sony did this with ps3 when the remove linux support from it, pretty sure they where brought to court to for class action but still got away with it. if sony can get away with so can MS I mean MS has got away with alot things and still is, Still not sure how Windows has brought MS court for monopoly

Well, they didnt "get away with it". They did break the law and paid out millions to the lawyers and had to pay anyone who submitted their claim. For a feature they didnt have to pay to maintain.

 

[cal5582]

thank god i disabled tpm in my bios long ago.
at this point windows 11 is just actually malicious.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

You don't need Rufus to enable the bypasses for TPM, SecureBoot, or other hardware requirements. They're just registry values that can be set up from normal installation media by opening a command prompt to open regedit as seen here. While we're on the topic, I'd like to mention that with the bypasses, Windows 11 will run just fine on my Sandy Bridge-E 3930k machine which is quite dated at this point.

Yeah, I found that W11, even 24H2, ran perfectly fine on an Ivy Bridge E setup I had. Ran way better than my W11 work laptop does, where I experience GUI issues quite regularly. Just today, I had a tool tip stick and not go away, even when switching applications.

 

[Psyclown]

The thing is, Windows 11 gets worse over time, not better. Even feature updates do break basic things that worked before.
At work, we're experiencing serious problems with USB to LAN Realtek network cards (chipset 8153) since several computers were forced to update from 23H2 to 24H2.
Already updated drivers from Realtek on all machines. No problems before update and no problems on machines that are still on Win10.

It really is shocking how bad it is. A slow, bloated and buggy disaster.

 

[tsunami2311]

I love manjaro and mint so much!

Well, they didnt "get away with it". They did break the law and paid out millions to the lawyers and had to pay anyone who submitted their claim. For a feature they didnt have to pay to maintain.

I dont remember what they "had" to pay but i guaranty the cost to them didnt mater which why they did it, which is usual why company so such thing the cost and or fine too them means nothing

 

[mb194dc]

Meanwhile Windows 10 ltsc iot rolls on with updates to 2032... Only users on the normal channels get shafted...

 

[umeng2002]

Disgusting company.

 

[wheresmycar]

Disgusting company.

I never really understood all the hate Windows gets. I’ve been rolling with it since 95/98 and honestly on the most part its been smooth sailing. Every new release drops and the internet acts like the skys falling and the grounds cracking the earth into two gigantic watermelon slices floating in space.

Windows saw me through college, uni, job No. 1, 2, 3, so on... helped me launch my first business and even played wingman for some side hustle (passive income). I found my house and my car(s) through Windows, not metaphorically, literally! If it weren’t for this OS, I might’ve never reconnected with an old friend who (plot twist) is now my wife. Thanks to Windows, I now have three kids who also can’t get enough of Windows (well theres iOS/Android too).

Decades later, here I am... still on Windows, saying hello to umeng2002 - imagine that. Hello!

I get it, forced updates, bloat, privacy concerns, resource hog, etc etc... i don't like it either. But overall, its been great!

 

[Baru68]

You don't need Rufus to enable the bypasses for TPM, SecureBoot, or other hardware requirements. They're just registry values that can be set up from normal installation media by opening a command prompt to open regedit as seen here. While we're on the topic, I'd like to mention that with the bypasses, Windows 11 will run just fine on my Sandy Bridge-E 3930k machine which is quite dated at this point.

I know, but Rufus is easier for most people.

True. I'm running 23H2 on my Vostro V131 with an I3-2310M and it runs perfectly.

Man you guys remind me of how I used to do things; custom editing stuff to make it work as perfectly as I wanted for my needs - custom phone roms, cleaned up windows 7 install footprint was like 7gb or less. Reminds me there's always a way if you're willing to put in the effort. Guess I know what I'm going to try this weekend. Thanks nnneeeerrrddddssss

 

[AusWolf]

Even for Windows 10?

Well, Microsoft can f*k off! Time to install Linux even on my HTPCs.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

I never really understood all the hate Windows gets. I’ve been rolling with it since 95/98 and honestly on the most part its been smooth sailing. Every new release drops and the internet acts like the skys falling and the grounds cracking the earth into two gigantic watermelon slices floating in space.

Windows saw me through college, uni, job No. 1, 2, 3, so on... helped me launch my first business and even played wingman for some side hustle (passive income). I found my house and my car(s) through Windows, not metaphorically, literally! If it weren’t for this OS, I might’ve never reconnected with an old friend who (plot twist) is now my wife. Thanks to Windows, I now have three kids who also can’t get enough of Windows (well theres iOS/Android too).

Decades later, here I am... still on Windows, saying hello to umeng2002 - imagine that. Hello!

I get it, forced updates, bloat, privacy concerns, resource hog, etc etc... i don't like it either. But overall, its been great!

I dunno, maybe you could have done all those things on another OS, like MacOS or maybe Linux, or these days, a smartphone or tablet. I make my living on a Windows PC, too, but if I'm honest, I could do my job on something other than Windows. Now, MS Office, PowerBI? My career is far more dependent on those. Windows was good, and I used to be very enthusiastic about MS software and products, owning lots of MS hardware even, but they've long killed that relationship.

Your last sentence just doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, it has these significant issues, some of which are directly user-hostile, but it's still great?

 

[AusWolf]

I dunno, maybe you could have done all those things on another OS, like MacOS or maybe Linux, or these days, a smartphone or tablet. I make my living on a Windows PC, too, but if I'm honest, I could do my job on something other than Windows. Now, MS Office, PowerBI? My career is far more dependent on those. Windows was good, and I used to be very enthusiastic about MS software and products, owning lots of MS hardware even, but they've long killed that relationship.

Your last sentence just doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, it has these significant issues, some of which are directly user-hostile, but it's still great?

Before all the telemetry...
Before tiles...
Before forced upgrades...
Before mandatory online logins...
Before AI spied on you whether you wanted it or not...
Before you got a popup message about every small thing the OS wanted you to do...
Before you had to enable secure boot...
Before the OS did a million things in the background...
Before apps installed themselves randomly with Windows update...

Yes. Before all these (and many more things), Windows used to be great. The thing that many people haven't realised is that Linux has long passed Windows in user friendliness by a country mile. Unless you need some specific piece of software that doesn't run on Linux, I see no reason for anyone to resort to using Windows these days.

 

[AGlezB]

Before all the telemetry...

I use NextDNS and it's not hard to tell how much data collection MS does on a daily basis if you look at the 30-day analytics:

Down on the right you can see the top blocked domains and every *.data.microsoft.com was an attempt to upload telemetry data. Not to mention that's after disabling every telemetry option in the OS and configuring every single group policy that affects telemetry and having a well configured firewall that blocks a lot of that stuff because some MS services will try to connect directly by IP or use DNS over HTTPS (DoH) to bypass UDP 53 restrictions and avoid blocking by custom DNS services like NextDNS.

What's more, I have a recurring task in my calendar to remind me to manually delete whatever managed to get through at https://account.microsoft.com/privacy.

Thing is, MS doesn't want you to delete the data so App and service performance data isn't directly listed there and they try to scare you if you want to erase it:

Cry me a river MS, my answer is always Clear.

 

[AusWolf]

I use NextDNS and it's not hard to tell how much data collection MS does on a daily basis if you look at the 30-day analytics:

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Down on the right you can see the top blocked domains and every *.data.microsoft.com was an attempt to upload telemetry data. Not to mention that's after disabling every telemetry option in the OS and configuring every single group policy that affects telemetry and having a well configured firewall that blocks a lot of that stuff because some MS services will try to connect directly by IP or use DNS over HTTPS (DoH) to bypass UDP 53 restrictions and avoid blocking by custom DNS services like NextDNS.

What's more, I have a recurring task in my calendar to remind me to manually delete whatever managed to get through at https://account.microsoft.com/privacy.

View attachment 398511

Thing is, MS doesn't want you to delete the data so App and service performance data isn't directly listed there and they try to scare you if you want to erase it:

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Cry me a river MS, my answer is always Clear.

The fact that you have to take the extra step to do this on an operating system that you pay for is beyond fucked up. Not to mention everything else I said. Only if telemetry was the only thing wrong with Windows...

 

[AGlezB]

The fact that you have to take the extra step to do this on an operating system that you pay for is beyond fucked up. Not to mention everything else I said.

Not exactly my case because I get the licences for free, but I agree in general. Just note Windows Home Single Language is free. I frequently see markeplaces selling PCs where they let you choose between Home Edition and having no OS pre-installed and the Home Edition costs an extra $50 and that's just a scam but worse because those pre-install usually come with a lot of bundled garbage that, i.e. Norton AV, that you're not going to get with a clean ISO from MS.

 

[AusWolf]

Just note Windows Home Single Language is free.

Is it really? That's good to know.

But yeah, still...

 

[BillyRazOr]

Just successfully moved my parents off Windows completely. Both are running Linux on their laptops and are happy as could be. All my systems (and I have several) are on Linux now as well apart from a single windows machine for support reasons.

I get the pull of staying on Windows, especially for gaming but I've gotten to a point now, if the game doesnt run on Linux, I dont wanna play it.

Well, good luck with your parents for Linux. I don't know if your parents isn't getting forced to use Linux by you or you're just too biased to tell your parents should completely ditch Windows.

I must say, everything isn't perfect at all, not everybody would the same thought, they have different choices and favorites because they're different path on their own. You want to play games or not, that's your own choice. (I have no idea why somebody like you are telling about your own based and illogical meaning on this forum. This isn't kind of facts.)

 

[avidgamer121]

You can use the gpedit to disable updates or regedit.

How to disable windows automatic update from internet. - Microsoft Q&A

We are using WSUS server for managing windows update. WSUS is working fine. When we allow internet for client computer, then client computer (windows 10, 11) are getting automatic update from internet and some client computer upgrade automatically from…

learn.microsoft.com

updates are already disabled by default on the lite version i use. Or at least, from settings it shows paused until 2077.

 

[AGlezB]

Well, good luck with your parents for Linux. I don't know if your parents isn't getting forced to use Linux by you or you're just too biased to tell your parents should completely ditch Windows.

From time to time I've done testing with people in my family and most of the time they can't tell the difference between Windows and Linux and as long as the icons they're used to are more or less in the same place. They'll comment about things "not looking the same" but they'll go around using Linux without issues. Inexperienced users are a lot less biased and what they care about is familiarity and not what OS they're using, even more so if they're used to use online services like Google Docs because the experience is always the same, in contrast to using MS Office in Windows and something else in Linux which might cause a bigger dissonance.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I never really understood all the hate Windows gets.

Then you're more easy-going then some of us. The antics microsoft has pulled really make for some angry people. Sure, they can try to claim it's their software. But we pay for it and it's installed on OUR PC's. It our software too and they think we have no rights.

I could go on like that, but you get where I'm going. They have become a trash company, more & more people are seeing this, seeing through their lies and only they can clean themselves up.

Reminds me there's always a way if you're willing to put in the effort. Guess I know what I'm going to try this weekend. Thanks nnneeeerrrddddssss

You're welcome! Chime in at the thread below if you want some tips, a bit of help or get stuck with something.
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/windows-11-general-discussion.284164

 

[LittleBro]

If it weren’t for this OS, I might’ve never reconnected with an old friend who (plot twist) is now my wife. Thanks to Windows, I now have three kids who also can’t get enough of Windows (well theres iOS/Android too).

No. If it weren't for the moment where Bill Gates licked IBM's ass when they were in desperate need for an OS for their hardware, you might have found the same wife with Linux.

Thanking Windows for having kids it's just ... awfully gross. This is probably one of the most disgusting things I've ever read on the internet to this date.
After all, it's the god who introduced Windows to you and to your wife. Since I'm an atheist, I'd call your situation just coincidence. Anyway, how much does M$ pay you?

You might have had better wife and better kids with other woman on other OS. LOL. This video comes to my mind:

 

[lexluthermiester]

You might have had better wife and better kids with other woman on other OS. LOL. This video comes to my mind:

This was sooo disturbing... Funny, yes! But disturbing.