AMD Announces Radeon RX 9060 XT Graphics Card, Claims "Fastest Under $350"

[Random_User]

Exactly my point; if they were to actually fight NV there would've been 300-dollar GPUs capable of beating RTX 4070 BEFORE 2025. 500-dollar GPUs capable of beating 4070 Ti Super, also BEFORE 2025. And maybe a 1000-dollar GPU that beats 4090 in every metric. And the market would've been flooded with such chips, good stock everywhere from the day 0.

What we have is crumbs and it's beyond unforgivable.

Very true! The "lords" (Enterprise/AI/miners) have gobbled all the stuff. No efferings for "peasants".

P.S. FSR4 is also very slow to expand. The number of games natively supporting it is still minimal.

That's the whole point. The whole upscaler's/frame gen existence, is a result of lack of the competition and progress. AMD should have offered/made the HW the way it would have been capable to not rely on the slimy tricks, like DLSS, and FSR.

This alone would have eliminate the which upsacler tech is better dispute, for good.

Oh... and stop advertising the RT for the entry level cards. This is just silly BS. Be honest, and you will get the reward. As soon as people realise, that RT doesn't cut for x60 class cards, this would hit heavilly on nVidia, as it sells them more.

 

[Macro Device]

AMD should have offered/made the HW the way it would have been capable to not rely on the slimy tricks, like DLSS, and FSR.

Yeah but upscaling is still a very powerful tool. I personally use it in conjunction with super resolution: using a 1080p monitor, I enable 2160p in game and then turn the upscaler on so it renders from 1440p (or 1080p in heaviest games) so I get both vastly superior image quality and still playable framerate. Without upscaling, I couldn't do that, non-integer scaling sucks and integer scaling is too heavy on the resources.

 

[AusWolf]

Not everywhere this is true, sadly. At least not for 9070 (non XT) here, in Poland.
Gainward Python III - 2600 PLN (2500 on sale right now)
Palit Infinity 3 - 2630 PLN
Palit GamingPro - 2790 PLN
That's for RTX 5070.

Cheapest ASRock Challanger or Sapphire Pulse means 3000 PLN (or 2812 PLN for PowerColor Hellhound from that one small store who is selling things not from official distribution).

It looks better for 9070 XT though, as it starts from 3200 PLN (PowerColor Reaper), while RTX 5070 Ti starts from 3800-3900 PLN (Inno3D X3/Gigabyte Windforce).

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Now. There's a chance I'm going to join Macro Device with him complaining all around If 330$ (RX 7600 XT's MSRP) means at least 1500-1600 PLN in my country, then RX 9060 XT will cost at least 100-200 PLN more. And that's a price range of a brand new 7700 XT or RTX 5060 Ti 8GB (or 6750 XT when was available). So, if not cheaper, better be significantly faster than them or it's really DOA for me. Hope to be wrong as I want one. No need it, but want.

The 5070 is a 12 GB card. Of course it's cheaper than the 9070, just like it should be.

Exactly my point; if they were to actually fight NV there would've been 300-dollar GPUs capable of beating RTX 4070 BEFORE 2025. 500-dollar GPUs capable of beating 4070 Ti Super, also BEFORE 2025. And maybe a 1000-dollar GPU that beats 4090 in every metric. And the market would've been flooded with such chips, good stock everywhere from the day 0.

What we have is crumbs and it's beyond unforgivable.

We, gamers, are not a profitable market sector anymore. AMD, Nvidia and even Intel have bigger fish to fry. Whether we like it or not, we have to accept it. All we can do is vote with our wallets.

P.S. FSR4 is also very slow to expand. The number of games natively supporting it is still minimal.

Every game that supports FSR 3.1 also supports FSR 4 through a toggle in the driver menu.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Oh, so the 3.2 trillion $ company not selling anything is fine and expected because they're into AI, but the 178 billion $ company selling 10 times as many cards is bad? Do you see your bias here?

By the way, did you see or glance over AMD's CES keynote back in January? It was all about AI. Nvidia isn't the only company riding the wave, you know.

Edit: So if the 18 times smaller company can sell 10 times more cards than the bigger one on launch day, that says something about the difference in their attitude towards gamers, don't you think?

That's somewhat beside the point, I reckon. AMD has never made it a secret consumer Radeon is one of their lowest priority businesses as it demands latest generation nodes that can be used to make much higher margin, much lower maintenance and thus far more lucrative products, currently in voracious, unprecedented demand (such as Epyc). The same situation applies at Nvidia, high as their prices are, the MSRP price for the RTX 5090 is actually "incredibly low" (notice my use of quotation marks), because it's the same core that goes on their RTX Pro 6000 and even if it doesn't meet its standard of yield quality, they could make it a "RTX Pro 5500" and sell it for $7000 instead of $8800 per card. And it's almost guaranteed it'd sell out, again, due to unprecedented demand.

AMD definitely can but will not increase wafer allocation to this product line. Even if for a few batches, they could flood the market and drive prices down overall... it's just that there is no incentive for them to do so whatsoever. They will sell each "Radeon AI Pro W9700" they build, and gamers/AI bros will be vying for them.

Intel could be in an enviable position, but they use their smaller TSMC allocation to manufacture CPUs instead. It's a safer revenue stream for a traditional CPU company, even though the Ultra 9 285 and 285K are both expensive, difficult to find and even if they weren't, still doesn't change Intel's foundry failed and that Arrow Lake's performance is rancid.

Yet now they've started up this VRAM controversy. The industry is belly up, just waiting for it to gasp its last, really.

 

[ARF]

demands latest generation nodes that can be used to make much higher margin

That's not true. You need a state-of-the art process node only for the consumer GPUs. Everything else can be made on older nodes, and closer to the reticle size limit..

 

[Dr. Dro]

That's not true. You need a state-of-the art process node only for the consumer GPUs. Everything else can be made on older nodes, and closer to the reticle size limit..

Re-read what I wrote, because I'm fairly sure I implied exactly that

 

[Luminescent]

This is just silly. AMD is clearly not fighting nVidia. There's no challange, no competition, no progress. They do not make products affordable. They want to be a "slightly cheaper and inferior" nVidia. I don't get how this is different of their previous "stigma" of underdog, and how does this show up as being a "premium" brand, outside the price making.

That's somewhat beside the point, I reckon. AMD has never made it a secret consumer Radeon is one of their lowest priority businesses as it demands latest generation nodes that can be used to make much higher margin, much lower maintenance and thus far more lucrative products, currently in voracious, unprecedented demand (such as Epyc). The same situation applies at Nvidia, high as their prices are, the MSRP price for the RTX 5090 is actually "incredibly low" (notice my use of quotation marks), because it's the same core that goes on their RTX Pro 6000 and even if it doesn't meet its standard of yield quality, they could make it a "RTX Pro 5500" and sell it for $7000 instead of $8800 per card. And it's almost guaranteed it'd sell out, again, due to unprecedented demand.

I believe i can address both these concerns.
Neither Nvidia or AMD will abandon what is a sure thing, even if it's small business at least it's there, remember mining, now is gone, who knows what happens with AI but gaming never goes away.
I also think AMD now actually competes with Nvidia, the reason many have bought RDNA4/9070 XT it's because they looked at the specs, it finally has the AI component they were missing and they offered a bit more compute power to make up for the lack of optimization, it's a matter of time before current and future RDNA4 gpu's, equal Nvidia in ray tracing games, so AMD actually challenged Nvidia here.
Just wait and see!

 

[Dr. Dro]

I believe i can address both these concerns.
Neither Nvidia or AMD will abandon what is a sure thing, even if it's small business at least it's there, remember mining, now is gone, who knows what happens with AI but gaming never goes away.
I also think AMD now actually competes with Nvidia, the reason many have bought RDNA4/9070 XT it's because they looked at the specs, it finally has the AI component they were missing and they offered a bit more compute power to make up for the lack of optimization, it's a matter of time before current and future RDNA4 gpu's, equal Nvidia in ray tracing games, so AMD actually challenged Nvidia here.
Just wait and see!

Don't disagree there, but presently, it's little more than a lifeline and a safe revenue stream for them. The volume in itself doesn't really matter, looking at it from a business perspective. Mining isn't completely gone, but it has become a much smaller portion of the pie chart since Ethereum went proof-of-stake and the Chinese government banned cryptocurrencies.

 

[AusWolf]

I believe i can address both these concerns.
Neither Nvidia or AMD will abandon what is a sure thing, even if it's small business at least it's there, remember mining, now is gone, who knows what happens with AI but gaming never goes away.
I also think AMD now actually competes with Nvidia, the reason many have bought RDNA4/9070 XT it's because they looked at the specs, it finally has the AI component they were missing and they offered a bit more compute power to make up for the lack of optimization, it's a matter of time before current and future RDNA4 gpu's, equal Nvidia in ray tracing games, so AMD actually challenged Nvidia here.
Just wait and see!

Exactly - no one knows what will happen with AI. Personally, I think the bubble will burst, just like it did with crypto, the question is when. Until then, AMD, Nvidia, and to an extent, Intel, are guaranteed to keep riding the wave because it's a much more lucrative investment than gaming.

Edit: For that reason, I think we should be happy if we get any GPU that's worth buying instead of just scraps at an artificially inflated price. One can't deny that AMD is trying with the 9070 series. About the 9060 XT, I'm not sure. I'd never spend 300 quid for an 8 GB card anno 2025, that much is certain.

 

[kiakk]

1*small GPU silicion + 8or4*GDDR chip (depends on chipand design) + 180W VRM + small heatsink + 2*fan = 349 USD ???
May be a good business for the investors, but not for the customers.
Opinion:
This price is fckN absurd.... Just one example: Nobody asked nVidia or AMD to produce chips on expensive nodes...
Another example: Radeon RX 580 MSRP was 230 USD. This is 152% gain in the GPU class (~180W) by the last 8 years. This is FAR not only inflation...
Come'on guys: Hands up Who's salary gained by 152% by the last 8 years ???
Let me guess, ~95-97% of the society did not get 152% increasement of salary in the last 8 years.
Maybe Who can EZ forget the near past, can be happy for the price, but truth is, these prices are absurd.

 

[ARF]

1*small GPU silicion + 8or4*GDDR chip (depends on chipand design) + 180W VRM + small heatsink + 2*fan = 349 USD ???
May be a good business for the investors, but not for the customers.
Opinion:
This price is fckN absurd.... Just one example: Nobody asked nVidia or AMD to produce chips on expensive nodes...
Another example: Radeon RX 580 MSRP was 230 USD. This is 152% gain in the GPU class (~180W) by the last 8 years. This is FAR not only inflation...
Come'on guys: Hands up Who's salary gained by 152% by the last 8 years ???
Let me guess, ~95-97% of the society did not get 152% increasement of salary in the last 8 years.
Maybe Who can EZ forget the near past, can be happy for the price, but truth is, these prices are absurd.

Agreed. The card will most probably fail. Just like the previous rebrands RX 6600 -> Radeon RX 6600 XT -> Radeon RX 6650 XT -> Radeon RX 7600 -> Radeon RX 7600 XT.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-9060-xt-appears-in-first-synthetic-benchmarks-at-least-25-faster-than-rx-7600-xt

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Agreed. The card will most probably fail. Just like the previous rebrands RX 6600 -> Radeon RX 6600 XT -> Radeon RX 6650 XT -> Radeon RX 7600 -> Radeon RX 7600 XT.

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https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-9060-xt-appears-in-first-synthetic-benchmarks-at-least-25-faster-than-rx-7600-xt

- That shows the 9070XT 13% ahead of the similarly spec'd 7800XT in Vulkan, while the TPU average its more like 40%+ ahead. 9060XT is 11% ahead of the similarly spec'd 7600XT in this test so that should put it right around the 5060Ti in TPU testing.

Far from a fail if it scales like its bigger brother does.

 

[Super XP]

8GB graphics cards shouldn't exist.

 

[wNotyarD]

8GB graphics cards shouldn't exist.

Oh no, they definitely are a must in the market. But not at the price they're commanding.
Shave at least $100 off their price tag and they're golden.

 

[kiakk]

Oh no, they definitely are a must in the market. But not at the price they're commanding.
Shave at least $100 off their price tag and they're golden.

+1
I am fed up with the benchmarkers opinion 8GB VRAM is no go. 8GB VRAM is tons of RAM for 1080p.
What we need first of all:
1. Win 11 dwm.exe sometimes use almost 1GB VRAM. That is nonsense! "fck Microsoft!"
2. Game devs should take care more of opitmization.
(Just 1 reason of many: We are living a world that is fighting against GHG gases, so if software developers do not take care efficient code/design we fucked up. Personally I do not support hardware monster games, they have nonsense ration of visuals/performance of the gaming experience aspect. For example isometric games could be beautiful with low hardware requirements. Real time 3D rendered games needs good optimization. But studios do not make enough efforts of it.)

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

Oh no, they definitely are a must in the market. But not at the price they're commanding.
Shave at least $100 off their price tag and they're golden.

I'm 100% with you. 8GB cards are going to be the unsung heroes of forcing performance optimization to either kill games, or make the RT crap disappear. They'll also be the heroes of a media server designed for ISO ripping and video transcode, because I can absolutely see these chugging along in relatively tight boxes without melting down.

That said, I also agree on the pricing. I think the 5060 and 9060 are absolute turds because they are priced out of reason for the punch that they actually deliver. Maybe not $100 off, because a $200 GPU is probably well under the component costing, but the $200-250 range with a gradual decay to $180-220 as they age would be absolutely worth being on the market. That, combined with either 12th gen Intel or a 5000 series AMD processor would be the answer to the middle finger that Nintendo and the other consoles are offering this generation...and having everybody as part of the PC master race would be excellent.

 

[RinSenpai]

I'm 100% with you. 8GB cards are going to be the unsung heroes of forcing performance optimization to either kill games, or make the RT crap disappear. They'll also be the heroes of a media server designed for ISO ripping and video transcode, because I can absolutely see these chugging along in relatively tight boxes without melting down.

That said, I also agree on the pricing. I think the 5060 and 9060 are absolute turds because they are priced out of reason for the punch that they actually deliver. Maybe not $100 off, because a $200 GPU is probably well under the component costing, but the $200-250 range with a gradual decay to $180-220 as they age would be absolutely worth being on the market. That, combined with either 12th gen Intel or a 5000 series AMD processor would be the answer to the middle finger that Nintendo and the other consoles are offering this generation...and having everybody as part of the PC master race would be excellent.

Nintendo doesn't care about what you think of their console hardware. You buy a Nintendo console to play Nintendo games and that's it.
Nintendo is actually the one who forces game studios to optimize the games for their consoles (ironically, thing they sometimes don't do themselves as we've seen with BotW on the WiiU first). I don't understand that hate of PC enthusiasts against Nintendo when Nintendo doesn't care about PC enthusiasts or even the PC market and other consoles as a whole.