6700 XT vs. RTX 3070 for 1080p resolution - Seeking urgent help, details inside.

[nguyen]

Tons of news from various tech channels have reported on drivers causing black screens and crashing.

That is some obvious cherrypicking to support your favorite brand and comparing a 4090 vs. a 9070XT, not a very fair comparison to have a 4K high end GPU vs. mid range 1440P GPU.

On topic, I'd go for the 6700XT, the 3070 is faster until it runs out of VRAM, but the 3070 will run out of vram in newer titles. If you have the extra budget get a 3080 or 6800XT.

More people having RTX5000 --> more crash reports, 9070XT are crashing too but you don't often hear about it because fewer people have them.

Radeon has always been performing worse than Geforce counterpart in UE4, it is common knowledge at this point.

Playing older games with DLSS2 will always be a massive advantage on 3070, thanks to DLSS4 compatibility

I don't have any issues with ue4 based titles. No need to own an Nvidia gpu, the facts speak for themselves, or are you accusing HUB, gamers nexus and all the big outlets for false information, grow up man.

And I haven't had issue at all with RTX5000, what's your point again ?

Reviewers had been using featuring less and less UE4 titles in their testing suite, otherwise it will favor Nvidia too much.

 

[Todestrieb]

RTX 3070 - $250
RTX 3080 - $360
RX 6700 XT - $215

Here is the recent pricing. What would be you go-to, minding the price/performance ratio?

I have looked at your previous posts.

If I'm going by this page, and then estimate the price/perf ratio, 6700XT is the pick.
But...
a) VRAM issues are not taken into account.
b) RT performance and other features are not taken into account. I'm not into NVIDIA features but they are easily justifiable for the price difference for that 3070.
c) price/perf ratio will often favor lower-tier GPUs (unless it's the "I'm only here to offer moar ports" tier)

I'm not telling you to sell a liver to buy a used 3080 of all things, but if you can afford it without running into financial troubles and you will actually play games, 3080 will offer a much better experience that worth the higher price imo.

 

[Zazigalka]

I tried FSR with my GTX 1060 while ago, and noticing it's particles really disturbed me.

dlss4 doesn't have that, it's worlds apart from what you saw with fsr

 

[lexluthermiester]

I am not chasing every new game. I don't have any problem lowering some of the graphics, mostly starting with shadows and keep going with the most unnoticeable ones.

Could you open your "RT is required by default" thought more, please? Never experienced it, but watched some videos. And I can tell, in my opinion, it is not necessary at all. It is more like good to have, but I wouldn't be looking for it since I would focus some other details going around.

I will be undervolting and also overclocking the 6700 XT. I believe it will make the raw performance, temps and noise levels even better for AMD. Because 3070 is not consuming way less than AMD. If it was consuming as low as a 4060, I would worry about it since electricity is a bit expensive here. But it feels like it can be handled.

If you were me, which one would you choose and not feel bad afterwards? I wish I could get 9060 XT at MSRP price, but I know it will be around $470-500 at best. If I wait more, that $215 6700 XT deal will be lost. If I don't wait, there is a chance that 9060 XT will be cheaper than expected and I will feel guilty for buying 6700 XT. It literally a coinflip situation for me recently.

Both of those cards are are in the 220w range under load. Both will benefit from drops in clocks and voltages for cooling, the 3070 is still going to be the better performer.. Just throwing it out there.

 

[W3RN3R]

Both of those cards are are in the 220w range under load. Both will benefit from drops in clocks and voltages for cooling, the 3070 is still going to be the better performer.. Just throwing it out there.

At 1080p it will never hit that 220w range, tops out at 160-170 with latest demanding games with unlocked fps. In my case it's always between 60-140w with a 100fps cap @1080p and even less with an undervolt.

 

[Lew Zealand]

I have both of these cards as well as a number of the ones you list as options and am considering buying a used 3080.

My choice, the one I use the most: 3070

4060 Ti is identical but uses 2/3 the power and will cost you more
2080 Ti is identical but uses ~20% more power and will cost you more for that tasty 11GB

3080 at $360 is good and very competitive, I'd seriously consider it if you can swing that much money.

On the power efficiency side, I undervolted my nephew's rtx3070 to use around 120W (stock 220W) and lose like 5% performance. 6700XT is not going to be able to undervolt that much.

Bull****

1. I undervolt my 3070 all the time, I do not ever run it at 220-240W. It loses more than 5% FPS at 120W in any demanding game.
2. I undervolt my 6700 XT all the time, I do not ever run it at ~230W. Including UV to 120W. It loses about the same %fps as the 3070, maybe even a smaller loss.

But why? Because the 3070 is already running lean at 220W as it could easily be a 260W GPU, it's core-heavy but power restricted. OTOH the 6700XT is a pushed design, core-shy with power pushed to compensate. Therefore the 6700XT benefits more from power restriction with less performance loss.

 

[kane nas]

Another positive thing about the 6700xt is that you can use MPT (MorePowerTool) and gain an additional 15% performance even if you have overclocked your card,it's easy,there are guides on IGORS LAB, the 6800 that I used to have ran at the levels of a 6800xt, the 6900xt that I had had similar performance to a 6950xt, if you are a little lucky through Linux there is a guide to unlock the frequencies in the memories as well,as for the low-performance RT,using MPT I had similar performance with a 3070(RX6800) in Control, if you have the appetite to "play" with such tools, it's worth the effort.

 

[blinnbanir]

There is also the fact that you get access to AMD software with the 6700XT.

 

[JustBenching]

There is also the fact that you get access to AMD software with the 6700XT.

That's something worth paying to avoid.

 

[blinnbanir]

That's something worth paying to avoid.

LMAO you are so uninformed

 

[lexluthermiester]

LMAO you are so uninformed

No, he's somewhat correct. AMD's control panel is something that is less desirable than NVidia or Intel's control panels..

 

[JustBenching]

LMAO you are so uninformed

Ok I guess

 

[blinnbanir]

No, he's somewhat correct. AMD's control panel is something that is less desirable than NVidia or Intel's control panels..

Haha, Control Panel is circa 2015. I guess because it is nuanced and very powerful vs the Spartan applications you reference make me think of As Rock vs Asus BIOS on AM3. Give me a break. Why don't you ask in the AMD owner's thread if AMD software is the worst one available.

Ok I guess

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Have you ever actually used it?

 

[JustBenching]

Have you ever actually used it?

I try not to - was only running clean install without it for 2 years cause it was a horrorshow (woke up dgpu killing battery life). The last couple of months im using it yeah.

 

[blinnbanir]

I try not to - was only running clean install without it for 2 years cause it was a horrorshow (woke up dgpu killing battery life). The last couple of months im using it yeah.

Good you have confirmed that you have no idea what you are talking about. You can even turn the power down in AMD software but like you said you were avoiding it. A horror show if you are used to the pedestrian Nvidia app that looked the exact same when I got a 3060 as my GTS450 from 2011. Now Nvidia have some App that they tell you to disable to play some Games.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Haha, Control Panel is circa 2015.

Are you kidding?

I guess because it is nuanced and very powerful

No it isn't. It's very lacking and limiting.

Give me a break.

Oh would I love too...

Why don't you ask in the AMD owner's thread if AMD software is the worst one available.

I AM an AMD owner. You were saying? And yeah, it's less desirable.

Good you have confirmed that you have no idea what you are talking about. You can even turn the power down in AMD software but like you said you were avoiding it. A horror show if you are used to the pedestrian Nvidia app that looked the exact same when I got a 3060 as my GTS450 from 2011. Now Nvidia have some App that they tell you to disable to play some Games.

Would you please stop with the shtick?

Let's focus on helping the OP.

 

[JustBenching]

Good you have confirmed that you have no idea what you are talking about. You can even turn the power down in AMD software but like you said you were avoiding it. A horror show if you are used to the pedestrian Nvidia app that looked the exact same when I got a 3060 as my GTS450 from 2011. Now Nvidia have some App that they tell you to disable to play some Games.

Yeah, i apologize Im not using an app that literally destroys battery life on a laptop. I should have known better

 

[AVATARAT]

Wait so you are seeing report online regarding Nvidia without having an Nvidia GPU
So I can use online sources regarding Radeon, when I don't have Radeon, right? right?
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Looks pretty poor 1% low FPS there for the 9070XT, UE4 has been the weakest point of Radeon for the past decade. Though this is just the beta, the final game is coming out in a few days

I'm downloading this demo to test this "stutter"
And I suppose not the Radeon driver, but the Windows libraries, as usual
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Ahahahahahaha, it took me 1 hour to find the problem, but you can see what the problem is, after all this is a beta version of the game, the game starts like this:
Yeah, the problem is the Radeon driver

 

[_roman_]

looks like windows 11

windows 11 only makes problems with two different hardware configurations here.

Radeon drivers are broken for 6600XT -w10pro, later 6800 non xt-w11pro, currently 7800XT w11pro or ryzen pro 4650u cpu graphics. 2 drivers broken, one may work. Bugs are not fixed. Nothing new for 4 years

windows install faulty updates or not working software or downloads non working software - facts in my limited data sample

 

[lexluthermiester]

Radeon drivers are broken for 6600XT -w10pro, later 6800 non xt-w11pro, currently 7800XT w11pro or ryzen pro 4650u cpu graphics. 2 drivers broken, one may work. Bugs are not fixed. Nothing new for 4 years

windows install faulty updates or not working software or downloads non working software - facts in my limited data sample

Very limited. Most people have not and will not see any problems.

 

[AVATARAT]

Тhe problem up is pure game based - the game start with just set Affinity to use only 1 core (+SMT) at the start, and because that the game work, but lag/stutter, when you manually set to all cores, it starts working fine.
And this is managed by the game developers, they can set priorities and affinity of the process, Windows has no blame here - it's just a game bug that needs to be fixed!

In the end, I was really impressed how it works on only 1 core

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'm downloading this demo to test this "stutter"
And I suppose not the Radeon driver, but the Windows libraries, as usual
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Ahahahahahaha, it took me 1 hour to find the problem, but you can see what the problem is, after all this is a beta version of the game, the game starts like this:
Yeah, the problem is the Radeon driver


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There is more than one problem in this screenshot. The processor affinity issue aside, I'm seeing several things labeled "Norton" in that list... Granted, at least it's not McAfee, but still, you're running Norton? THAT is part the stuttering problem. Then there is Discord. Point being, you have a ton of crap running in the background and you have a 6core CPU.. Just throwing it out there..

EDIT: I know you laugh, but I am somewhat serious. You should be shutting things down while running games.

 

[AVATARAT]

There is more than one problem in this screenshot. The processor affinity issue aside, I'm seeing several things labeled "Norton" in that list... Granted, at least it's not McAfee, but still, you're running Norton? THAT is part the stuttering problem. Then there is Discord. Point being, you have a ton of crap running in the background and you have a 6core CPU.. Just throwing it out there..

EDIT: I know you laugh, but I am somewhat serious. You should be shutting things down while running games.

Norton 360 works pretty well, I even do benchmarking with it , don't worry it doesn't mess with my games either And if sometimes it does something for some reason - there's a Exclusions, as with any other Antivirus.
Discord not only worked, but I was in conversation with other people.

The processor is not 6, but 8 cores and these tasks are really far from overloading it. I think I know how to manage my Windows well so that background tasks are not a problem, they may just reduce a few FPS.

And, see, I played the game a bit and it runs very flawlessly at 3840×1600.
I also was wondering what the difference is between TAA and FSR3 Native AA, in overall FSR3 Native AA looks a bit better when looking closely at the game character or other details, but after some testing I decided that TAA+AMFM works better than FSR3 Native AA+FG.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Norton 360 works pretty well, I even do benchmarking with it

In fairness to Symantec, they have come a long way in the past decade. Still, I would be shutting it off while gaming. I do with everything not related to the game being played.

Discord not only worked, but I was in conversation with other people.

I believe you. Many people do it. It has been known to cause issues though..

The processor is not 6, but 8 cores and these tasks are really far from overloading it.

That screenshot directly implies a 6core at play. Glitch of some sort?

I also was wondering what the difference is between TAA and FSR3 Native AA, in overall FSR3 Native AA looks a bit better when looking closely at the game character or other details, but after some testing I decided that TAA+AMFM works better than FSR3 Native AA+FG.

I never play anything with AA. IMHO it's been superfluous since 720p became a standard. 1080p and above? Forget about it. Shut it off and leave it off.

I just can't stand aliasing, guess you're just used to it

Or I just don't consider it to be a problem, nor using a needless effect worth solving. BITD when resolutions were small and pixel edges were big, it was a problem and AA was a solution that was a fair option. Once we got beyond the resolution limitations, AA became as useful as a screen door on a submarine. Some people like the look better, thus the continued effort to refine it. But some of us don't care and would prefer our GPU compute be used for something we do care about.

 

[AVATARAT]

In fairness to Symantec, they have come a long way in the past decade. Still, I would be shutting it off while gaming. I do with everything not related to the game being played.

I believe you. Many people do it. It has been known to cause issues though..

That screenshot directly implies a 6core at play. Glitch of some sort?

I never play anything with AA. IMHO it's been superfluous since 720p became a standard. 1080p and above? Forget about it. Shut it off and leave it off.

I have been using Norton for couple of years, if I encounter any problem I will just change it.

Discord problems are sometimes related to sharing Hardware Acceleration between different applications.

I'm not sure if you use and know the Window 11 menu, but there is a slider on the right and only "cores" 1-5 are visible , but de facto it's Core 1, SMT 1, Core 2, SMT 2, etc. The look is just different from Windows 10/8/7/...

I sit 90-100 cm distance from my Monitor so with AA for me the picture is better, if I get 30-40 cm closer like most of you then I should probably think about the AA problem.