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ASUS Radeon RX 9060 XT Prime OC 16 GB

Another reason why I respect TPU's testing, in the game reviews, he always notes where he tested the performance, and if he noticed any significant deviations in different areas.

Afaik TPU picks a more middle ground area but I'm not sure if that is still the case, Hub on the other hand tries to find the heaviest areas of a game to benchmark afaik.

I don't really feel either way is wrong I've always felt the more data the better. Some areas in games I get 15-20% higher performance than tpu and in others 15-20% lower so their approach makes sense to me but I would never limit myself to one websites results regardless.
 
For all the people complaining about CS2 - which I’ve never played btw:
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A game that millions of people play every day is certainly a valid benchmark.
 
For all the people complaining about CS2 - which I’ve never played btw:

A game that millions of people play every day is certainly a valid benchmark.
Source 2 also powers DOTA 2, so yeah, it's rather important to benchmark the engine that underpins over a million active players at any given moment.
 
Speaking of "a lot of attractive options" do you think this will improve? It only seems to be getting worse.
Well… let’s think, what would need to happen for the market to stabilize? I see several potential scenarios, however unlikely:

1. The consumers just stop buying cards. The bottom falls off completely and GPU vendors would basically have to scramble in order to keep the consumer market at all, if they even would want to. This is extremely unlikely.

2. The AI industry transitions away from GPGPUs to dedicated ASICs that do the same job more efficiently and GPU vendors have to crawl back to the consumer market - the crypto scenario essentially. Moderately possible, though the timetable on this is rather vague.

3. A new hyper-aggressive competitor decides to flip the table and offer ridiculously good price-performance. It MAY be Intel, though here I am thinking more about some breakthrough Chinese companies potentially. Can happen, though it would be quite a bit away from now and the political situation doesn’t help things.

Those are the options as I see them. As it stands, there’s little reason for the market to improve. NVidia treats the consumer segment as essentially a liability that sort of messes with their actual current focus and AMD is complacent and is fully willing to just be a “worse, but slightly cheaper NV” without any further ambitions (though I suppose we’ll see with UDNA). Intel is just not there yet in terms of being a competent player and are seemingly also battling internal issues that make it questionable whether they even stay in the dGPU market at all.

TL/DR: We are so fucked, brudda.
 
that is an interesting read.

Then perhaps, I will need to rephrase my question and perhaps I might be using the wrong terminology, but my point is, we are not capable of observing objects movement after certain speeds.

Example, studies show that batters primarily track the ball using head movements rather than eye movements, and they often lose sight of the ball around 8 to 15 feet away from home plate.

Even professional players do not see the ball clearly right before making contact; instead, they rely on anticipating the pitch type and location based on the pitcher's mechanics and previous experiences.

So my point and perhaps understanding is that similar things happens to us after certain FPS thresholds.

Anyways, this was derailed enough, the main point that others and myself wanted to make is that such high FPS numbers are screwing the total averages.

No other engines currently in use display such high numbers, only this.
 
Now that I think of it, why should I buy this card over a 5700XT you could probably find for $150 now?
Or an RX 6600, probably a better example.
 
Source 2 also powers DOTA 2, so yeah, it's rather important to benchmark the engine that underpins over a million active players at any given moment.
Maybe the reason for AMD’s miserable market share is due to their products performance in these games.

Not saying it is, but it’s certainly a possibility.

Now that I think of it, why should I buy this card over a 5700XT you could probably find for $150 now?
There are games out now that the 5700XT can’t run due to missing hardware features.
 
There are games out now that the 5700XT can’t run due to missing hardware features.
What about the 6600-6700XT, which you should be able to find for the same price range?
 
that is an interesting read.

Then perhaps, I will need to rephrase my question and perhaps I might be using the wrong terminology, but my point is, we are not capable of observing objects movement after certain speeds.

Example, studies show that batters primarily track the ball using head movements rather than eye movements, and they often lose sight of the ball around 8 to 15 feet away from home plate.

Even professional players do not see the ball clearly right before making contact; instead, they rely on anticipating the pitch type and location based on the pitcher's mechanics and previous experiences.

So my point and perhaps understanding is that similar things happens to us after certain FPS thresholds.

Anyways, this was derailed enough, the main point that others and myself wanted to make is that such high FPS numbers are screwing the total averages.

No other engines currently in use display such high numbers, only this.
You're focusing on the 'reaction time' or 'reflex' aspect of the discussion on refresh rate. A lot of benefits of high refresh rate comes actually from reduced motion-blur.

The things you said indeed happen in certain FPS tresholds, but to a certain extent, that's beside the point. IRL, your eye is seeing a clear image, but the 'processing time' of your brain might not be fast enought to react. The larger discussion around the 1000Hz goal is that, at that point, your eyes will see the screen motion the same or very similarly to real motion - an actual clear image.
 
What about the 6600-6700XT, which you should be able to find for the same price range?
Look at benchmarks in games like Indiana Jones or Final Fantasy Rebirth and see if the performance is acceptable to you.
 
Source 2 also powers DOTA 2, so yeah, it's rather important to benchmark the engine that underpins over a million active players at any given moment.
Well the beauty of the source engine is that a potato can push over 100 fps with it.
 
For all the people complaining about CS2 - which I’ve never played btw:
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A game that millions of people play every day is certainly a valid benchmark.
It also suggests that millions of people don’t even need these latest GPUs to have a good time gaming.
 
Thanks for the review.

I think the biggest milestone is witnessing 16GB becoming the norm in the lower performance tier > finally hitting the sweet spot for the mainstream crowd.

Still expensive for these supposedly enhanced XT (or TI) models, especially when the performance delivered should have been the baseline for their tier. That alone robs the excitement down to its underwear. Same with the 5060 band of unrighteous brothers.

AMDs doing a solid job in catching up on RT/efficiency/upscaling etc but theres no real surprises here, the 9600 XT is exactly where it was expected to be. It's almost like a no-surprise duopoly script with Nvidia gimping and taxing the effort hard and respectively, AMD closely tagging behind with the few bobs saved wager of a consolation prize. Its the perfect two-player game with no losers, just two soft-play overlords taking the wins every time. All the while, we’re sitting back with popcorn in hand, expecting the overlords to go full war mode with swords drawn, blood spilled and when the dust settles, rushing in to grab the spoils (on the cheap). You know what real compo looks like. Just ain't happening, not with this type of stunt athletic WWF-tech sport. Actually to think of it, the years old hunch is getting punchier - the second Blackrock and Vanguard got their undies fully wet with both Nvidia and AMD... WWF was the first thing that came to mind.
 
Look at benchmarks in games like Indiana Jones or Final Fantasy Rebirth and see if the performance is acceptable to you.
The 6700 XT gets 67 FPS at 1080p max, I think that's pretty good.
 
It's a good thing for ideas to be discussed publically so their quality can be publically determined through discussion, and the matter put to rest. That's the point of a public forum. Regardless of who raises or answers the points, staff or member. The idea of selectively excluding results from a specific test based on apparently nothing more than dislike of them goes against every scientific methodology principle taught from age 13 and up.

Attacking methodology then complaining when staff answer is certainly one of the approaches of all time.

To me, the fact these two results just happen to show AMD in a bad light, plus some basic pattern recognition on the people commenting is very indicative of the real motivations behind wanting to exclude certain data. Fascinating how the accusations of bias along with general mudslinging come hard and fast though from these same people, when challenged by myself and others. Surely a standardised testing suite without special exceptions is the best way to avoid bias?
QFT. It's bonkers (but unsurprising) to me that it's even been suggested, and of course it's only applied to this product, not for example removing outliers for the 8GB cards because nobody would run their games crippled...

TPU's bulletproof, consistent, balanced and tempered testing [methodology] is precisely why this site is held in such high regard, and why most of us are here. Like someone else said, if there are outliers and you're not going to play those games anyway/are happy adjusting settings, then just ignore them - arguing however that they shouldn't be included in the overall figures is beyond ludicrous.

If you want contrived testing, with ever shifting methodology and to be led down the garden path to whatever conclusion the reviewer personally wants, go watch Hardware Unboxed. I'm here for a higher standard.

Well, you didn't get a rebuttal on this one anyway, surprise surprise. For some people here, if they didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have standards at all.

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As for the 9060XT 16GB itself, it scores about 3.6 Roentgen imo, not great, not terrible. A missed opportunity for AMD to truly capitalise and move the bar significantly forward, but at the same time an adequate offering on a balance of all relevant data considered. Unexciting but fairly solid.

Now to see if supply remains available at MSRP - the only viable price point for the card (or less of course)
 
Yes, unfortunately it is.

Hey quick question, you have the perfect card for somebody that could upgrade if they were looking into it. Just saw somebody's 6700 (non xt) just died on this forum, so extremely relevant here.

What would you buy/upgrade too if your GPU died tomorrow?

Thanks.

If I couldn't find a deal and had to buy at current prices, most likely a 5070.
 
Yes, unfortunately it is.

Hey quick question, you have the perfect card for somebody that could upgrade if they were looking into it. Just saw somebody's 6700 (non xt) just died on this forum, so extremely relevant here.

What would you buy/upgrade too if your GPU died tomorrow?

Thanks.
Depends on the resolution. If gaming at 1440 then the 9070 or 9070 XT depending on the price difference between the two. 5070 Ti if it doesn't cost much more than the 9070 XT.
 
You're focusing on the 'reaction time' or 'reflex' aspect of the discussion on refresh rate. A lot of benefits of high refresh rate comes actually from reduced motion-blur.
Not really, I clearly said "At what point we stop observing the images due to high FPS".

But thanks for reminding me of the reaction time part.
The things you said indeed happen in certain FPS tresholds,
Thats what I meant and mentioned in the baseball player part. they do stop seeing the ball at one point.
he larger discussion around the 1000Hz goal is that, at that point, your eyes will see the screen motion the same or very similarly to real motion - an actual clear image.
I am actually really interested in observing that on a computer or TV screen, should be surreal.
 
I expect the same stupid pricing situation that is happening to this day with 9070s. People all over the world are simply being taxed on 16 gig. Will be dead on store shelves.
 
It also suggests that millions of people don’t even need these latest GPUs to have a good time gaming.
My son is still happy with a 1070. He plays mostly indie games.
 
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